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Old 04-26-2007, 04:41 PM   #1
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simple (stupid noob) question.

when off roading, does the jeep fall under normal vehicle laws, or is it considered an ATV and fall under the ATV laws? or is it independant of each state?

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Your Jeep is an automobile. for example if the trail says Full size then you can take your jeep or ATV under most cases. IF it says ATV.. then only ATV's can go on it.

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Anything smaller than 50" wide is considered an ATV. Jeeps do not fit in this category and should follow all laws/rules set forth in their state as such.
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Old 04-26-2007, 05:16 PM   #4
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so you still have to have your doorless mirrors, age limits, all lights working etc?..... May have worded that question wrong. was just wondering.....have seen some trailored to the trails that would definatly not be allowed on the roads.
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Technically out here while we are on the access roads running down to the trails you are supposed to licensed, insured, and meet all spec of the vehicle code. However that's very rarely enforced. So I'd say when you are wheelin a trail and in no way a danger to the general public it's up to you if you want to remove your doors, let a youngerster take a turn at the wheel etc...
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Old 04-26-2007, 05:37 PM   #6
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I know if you go to the north beach in north carolinia you are allowed to drive your jeep out on to the beach but required to get a permit for atv's really check with each place you go you may find some weird exceptions
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It's going to be state specific but in most cases you aren't required to meet the same safety requirements off road as you are on road.
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Out here we have basically three kinds of trails or areas.

The first is for licensed motorized vehicles - all laws apply and off road only or "green sticker" motorized vehicles are not technically allowed.

Off Road or "green sticker" trail - allow atv's, buggies, etc... Jeeps and any other motor vehicles are allowed as well. Green sticker laws apply.

Special use - this can be anywhere from hiker only, horse only, mtn bike only, to no motor vehciles. Laws depend on specific use (ie mtn bikes stop or motorcycles stop and shut off motor if encountering horse).
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Old 04-27-2007, 06:43 AM   #9
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It all depends on if you are on public or private lands. If you drive it strictly on your own land you do not need insurance or registration. However, if you drive it on a public roadway or public land, then the rules change of course and you need to be insured and registered.

You really need to pay close attention to the state you are driving in as the laws differ with respect to private property laws and government intervention.

In New Jersey a police officer needs a warrant or probable cause to enter private lands. They simply cannot enter the lands and arrest you for being on it without permission and charges can only be pressed by the property owner for trespassing not the police.

In Pennsylvania, it has been expalined to me (and I have yet to verify this) that the rules are different. The police can enter private lands and arrest trespassers (on posted property) without a warrant and do not need the sanctioning of the land owner.

Not only do you need to worry about getting pinched by the fuzz but some of the die-hard locals like to shoot at you too so tread carefully.
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Not sure about the laws up there, but here even some dirt bikes are registered as street bikes. All they need is street tires and one mirror. I think someone stated this but the laws are state specific in most cases.

Just to add and not trying to hijack here. I noticed the Title and decided to clarify something about questions, my opinion only. The only reason why I hang out here and ask questions on this forum instead of trudging through things trying to figure them out is because of the people here. They are all good people on this board and don't mind answering questions, the ones that would belittle a person for asking a question don't last long here.
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Theoldone, I personally feel you would never get hacked on here for a legit question like this. Now if you post a question like "What is the favorite offroad motor vehicle of the members on this board?" You might get ribbed a bit, but it would more then likely be in good fun. The jeepers here are a great bunch and make me proud to be part of them. As I stated above, the disrespectful people that slip through the cracks are not here for long or they begin to act properly because of the mods and senior members. So all is cool and be at ease here. Thank you Mods and senior members for a great atmosphere filled with great people.

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It all depends on if you are on public or private lands. If you drive it strictly on your own land you do not need insurance or registration. However, if you drive it on a public roadway or public land, then the rules change of course and you need to be insured and registered.

You really need to pay close attention to the state you are driving in as the laws differ with respect to private property laws and government intervention.

In New Jersey a police officer needs a warrant or probable cause to enter private lands. They simply cannot enter the lands and arrest you for being on it without permission and charges can only be pressed by the property owner for trespassing not the police.

In Pennsylvania, it has been expalined to me (and I have yet to verify this) that the rules are different. The police can enter private lands and arrest trespassers (on posted property) without a warrant and do not need the sanctioning of the land owner.

Not only do you need to worry about getting pinched by the fuzz but some of the die-hard locals like to shoot at you too so tread carefully.
Game wardens can though with out any probable cause or a warrant.
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You are correct. Game wardens have enormous power and mobility, especially here in PA. There was a recent case where a guy was busted for poaching in the neighboring county based only a conversation the warden overheard at a diner. A search was performed (without a warrant) and the guy was arrested (with 12 deer skins). He tried to appeal it but it was upheld by the state supreme court.

Game officers can only issue a trespass citation if you are hunting, so keep your gun at home when your jeepin'.
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I take my guns but I live in Texas so its not a big deal unless you're doing something you shouldn't be. We can also linch if they are trespassing and have tools for cutting fence and there is livestock on the property.
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I never head out into the desert wheelin unless my trust .40 cal is with me. However here in AZ we are a right to carry state.
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Yea 1BLKJP, charish that god-given right.. some of us arent so lucky
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I hear you bro. I've heard you all are harsh out there about gun rights? Too many Dems living out there. We have a Dem governor, but we don't let her mess with any gun stuff.
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Not sure about the laws up there, but here even some dirt bikes are registered as street bikes. All they need is street tires and one mirror. I think someone stated this but the laws are state specific in most cases.

Just to add and not trying to hijack here. I noticed the Title and decided to clarify something about questions, my opinion only. The only reason why I hang out here and ask questions on this forum instead of trudging through things trying to figure them out is because of the people here. They are all good people on this board and don't mind answering questions, the ones that would belittle a person for asking a question don't last long here.
I use to tell my crews to ask if you don't know, and that I would rather someone ask a question, no matter how simple, then to not know and get someone killed. The only stupid questions are the ones that people don't ask. If you don't know something and need to know it then go right ahead and ask. I'm a little tired of kids sitting behind a keyboard and trash talking people by calling then stupid noob, or even worse simply because they don't know about something. When I was growing up there was accountability. I was taught to respect people and I felt the belt a few times because of things I said.

Theoldone, I personally feel you would never get hacked on here for a legit question like this. Now if you post a question like "What is the favorite offroad motor vehicle of the members on this board?" You might get ribbed a bit, but it would more then likely be in good fun. The jeepers here are a great bunch and make me proud to be part of them. As I stated above, the disrespectful people that slip through the cracks are not here for long or they begin to act properly because of the mods and senior members. So all is cool and be at ease here. Thank you Mods and senior members for a great atmosphere filled with great people.

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Odhinn, I like your attitude, as well as your outlook and ways of thinking........However, trust me, I'll get ribbed pretty good many times on here I'm sure.....I am The old one, deverhart sr.

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