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Old 01-23-2010, 12:12 AM   #1
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smittybilt src cage

i know everyone hates smittybilt but there cage looks just like hard rocks and its way cheaper does anyone have it or does anyone know anything about it.
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Old 01-23-2010, 12:47 AM   #2
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I'm sorry, but it's way cheaper for a reason.

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Not the place I'd be looking to save money. I have the RockHard cage . . . based on the reputation SmittyBilt has not just for quality, but for fit, I wouldn't wish that install on my worst enemy . . . It's a PITA even with parts that fit and holes that are drilled correctly!
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Smittybuilt USED to be a great company...now that their stuff is mostly being outsourced for manufacturing their quality has dropped dramatically..along with their prices. So you'll pretty much get what you pay for.
A cheaply made cage for a cheap price.
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It may LOOK like a Hard Rock cage but its similar looks are about it. The Chinese factories "reverse engineer" quality products & then shave costs wherever possible which generally puts the quality at a significantly reduced level. Are you actually willing to compromise your safety for a few $$$ less?

If you were to ask me, I'd say that Smittybilt's reputation and quality has taken a nose-dive in recent years since they started outsourcing their manufacturing to China. Not to mention ripping off quality designs from reputable companies like Currie & then selling a cheap copy that often won't hold up... which also often reflects badly on the original designer and manufacturer of the product who actually continues to sell a first-class product that it gets confused with. Of course all this is strictly in my personal opinion.
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Old 01-23-2010, 11:35 AM   #6
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Perfect example of ripping off quality designs....
Bushwacker pocket flares $500
Smittybuilt pocket flares $250.

Only difference is the smittybuilt flares are kinda crappy..lol. The mounting hardware absolutely sucks, and the predrilled mounting holes dont line up.
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Old 01-23-2010, 01:17 PM   #7
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hey guys i just read 13 pages of this same discussinon on another jeep forum and after wasting about half an hour reading nothing but an agruement i wrote this:

"Hey guys, i Just wanted to say thanks for the discussion on business ethics for 7 pages. I am somewhat concerned about the quality of the Sb cage vs the rockhard cage but i can get the sb for 250 bucks. thats a huge savings. and the argument that it is better than nothing (for the money) is a strong one. has anyone ordered one of these and installed it yet? the RH cage bolts on with a triple allen bolt. does the SB have the same setup? i want to see some REAL LIFE installed pics of this thing from a real person. and i would love to hear their comments about the quality. not the comments about the quality of levis, intel, or mcdonalds!

i usually only creep here because i am a very active member of another wrangler forum but i had to speak up here because this topic on the other forum only has like 3 posts in it. maybe thats good though because they're all on topic about the cage itself, instead of about business ethics.

theres my .02"

that was my 3rd post ever in that forum. theres a reason why i dont go there. and i stay here, in the forum whose members arent all off topic cry babies.

that being said. i want this cage and i will likely buy it in the next few weeks regardless of if i get to see some pictures of it installed by one of our members or not. but i would appreciate some pics or a real review of the SB cage if you've got it.

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Jeepforum is a great source of information.

The argument I made on there is that sometimes having a shitty cage over none might sometimes be worse but no one agreed = \ I also had no conclusive evidence or proof.

And I would agree with most everyone else dont get the SB cage, shell out a little more for the Rockhard or PSC or ORO. Or get the custom. It might look cool and all but im guessing the quality blows. Ive had some smittybilt products and trust me theyre nothing compared to the other brands
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I had the chance to snag several cages from a wrecking yard, one was a Smittybuilt.
I didn't want them except for a test.

I cut across the welds to look at penetration. I would not recommend ANY of them to attach a bikini top to, much less use them for any kind of protection.

ALL WERE TERRIBLE!

Think - they'd all present a hazard of a broken bar hitting you in even a simple rollover.
Find a professional and have him built you one!

Unfortunately there isn't a law enforcement agency that will put these fakers in jail!
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I had the chance to snag several cages from a wrecking yard, one was a Smittybuilt.
I didn't want them except for a test.

I cut across the welds to look at penetration. I would not recommend ANY of them to attach a bikini top to, much less use them for any kind of protection.

ALL WERE TERRIBLE!

Think - they'd all present a hazard of a broken bar hitting you in even a simple rollover.
Find a professional and have him built you one!

Unfortunately there isn't a law enforcement agency that will put these fakers in jail!

YESSS finally my theory that having a bad cage over having none is proven. Thank you rrich, but if you could please answer my pm too it would be greatly appreciated!
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Old 01-24-2010, 01:43 AM   #11
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NO! I'm certainly NOT suggesting no cage is better than a weak one! No cage guarantees you'll get hurt, at least with a weak one you still have a chance.

But GET A QUALITY ONE!
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Setting up a Jeep to run offroad isn't cheap. If $$ is a huge issue (enough to warrant cheaping out when it comes to safety), then it's time to sell the Jeep. Or it's time to wait until you can afford the better stuff. Patience is a virtue, you know.


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"Hey guys, i Just wanted to say thanks for the discussion on business ethics for 7 pages. I am somewhat concerned about the quality of the Sb cage vs the rockhard cage but i can get the sb for 250 bucks. thats a huge savings. and the argument that it is better than nothing (for the money) is a strong one.
I agree with others saying that something is not always better than nothing. A poorly constructed aftermarket SAFETY cage CAN be worse than nothing & I wouldn't trust Smittybilt's any further than I could throw it.

And so far as bad business ethics go, your attitude towards them is disappointing. I will never buy from a company if I know they did not acquire their design ethically. I have a friend who has designed several well-known Jeep oriented products only to find several of his designs either stolen or produced without the promised royalties. If you don't have or believe in ethics, what is left?
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Old 01-24-2010, 10:12 AM   #14
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Man, I just found a deal on---

PVC racks and they REALLY LOOK GOOD !!

Heh Heh !!

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You know everyones gonna build their jeep the way they want to. So if your on a budget and you need to use products that are a little less quality or less known for there craftsmanship then so be it. You were fairly warned. God forbid you roll the jeep, but if it happens and the cage folds like a paperclip..you were warned. And hey guess what? If it doesnt fail and it holds up..well then you got your moneys worth. More power to you. No one can really say whether or not the cage is good or bad unless they have tested it. Build your jeep the way you want and the way thats reasonable and budget minded for yourself. Other than that have fun and be safe.

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I had the chance to snag several cages from a wrecking yard, one was a Smittybuilt.
I didn't want them except for a test.

I cut across the welds to look at penetration. I would not recommend ANY of them to attach a bikini top to, much less use them for any kind of protection.

ALL WERE TERRIBLE!

Think - they'd all present a hazard of a broken bar hitting you in even a simple rollover.
Find a professional and have him built you one!

Unfortunately there isn't a law enforcement agency that will put these fakers in jail!
thanks. thats what i was looking for. i'll probably save up the extra cash and get the rock hard one now. i just needed some solid evidence.
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Old 01-24-2010, 12:01 PM   #17
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no one even has this cage because it doesnt come out for another month i ordered one knowing that if i dont like the way its constructed i can tell them to take it back i dont have alot of money and dont plan on rolling anytime soon but the cage looks good and is made from the same materials as the others. ill put pictures up when i get mine and let u know how the install is i do plan on running a good bead of weld around the whole thing anyway just in case but with that said in a month the real comments of quality will come out from everyone that actually buys the kit
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so the one he cut up isnt the same kind i planned on buying? ugh. yeah i was thinking a re-weld might be the trick to strengthening it up a bit. i really want to see exactly how it bolts together. like if the clamps are tapped and are going to strip easily or if the bolts are backed with a nut.
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Old 01-24-2010, 01:07 PM   #19
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im not sure yet the src cage has the ship date of the 19th next month no one has this new one yet unless they know someone from the company im gonna bolt mine on then strengthen it with a couple welds around the clamps its what the guy from 4 wheel parts recommended. he didnt know the true ship date but the date on summit racings website is the 19th of next month if ur gonna get it shipped to u id order from them there even cheaper its only 225 before tax with them
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Well not just Rrich has gotten this cage, someone on Jeepforum also got a hold of the SRC cage, so its kinda out there. I dont know if its officially out though

As for trusting 4WP people, do so at your own risk, they dont know squat
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X2, few know WTF they're talking about. I used to be with 4WP's parent company and few of the counter sales guys I ran across at the three 4WP stores I had doing stuff for me knew much more about Jeep stuff than my mother did.
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Old 01-25-2010, 10:41 AM   #22
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It's amazing that we are talking about only $200-$300 difference when it comes to safety. I have Smittybilt's XRC bumpers and I have to say that this is probably as far as I would go with body protection from that company. The welds are kinda off and parts certainly didn't line up as advertised. However if those fail, it's probably not going to be my brains that are in jeopardy. I know that when I am ready for a cage, GenRight is the route I am going. Does it cost more? Yes, but I'll just avoid the rollover situations until then.
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Just had a roll over on Dec 26. I don't know if I just went over just once or more, as I closed my eyes after the first one. I not only walked away, I drove the Jeep home with a broken hard top, and a few other dings and dents. I am a firm believer in a good cage! Don't skimp on safety, please!
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OK, I bought the cage, ship date is aprox 4/9/10. We will see. If it looks as bad as some of you say it will, it will stay in the box and go back. If it loooks good and stable, it will go on. I will post some close-ups when I receive it.
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Can you tell by just looking the type of steel Smittybilt's Chinese manufacturer used on that rollcage and the penetration & quality of the welds?
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Old 03-11-2010, 08:42 PM   #26
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Are the prices that much different between the rh and sb?
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not anymore, apparently theyre in the $600 range, I think AtoZ is somehow only $350, but they must not have somethings Hard Rock does have
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My Rockhard cage was a little over $900 bucks in Jan 2009 and that was for the total front/back JK "unlimited"

I inspected all the welds and the aircraft qual. couplings, it's pretty solid

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I heard these are shipping, if anyone puts these in please give us a review with pics.
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What is there to review? It is something designed to keep you from being crushed from the weight of your Jeep in the event of a roll over. And you guys are perfectly content going with the lowest bidder?!?! There are things out there that can get you by just fine without going to the most expensive company, but a roll cage that goes on a vehicle that already has a reputation to be easy to flip and tip?!?!
My little girl rides in my Jeep with me, there is NO WAY IN HELL I would be able to sleep at night if I changed out something that important with something made from a company who has a questionable reputation.
I am a show me person. I want to know A HELL OF A LOT MORE than what some guy off the internet told me when it comes to something this important. I want to know the wall thickness of the tube, quality of the welds, and exactly what material was used. You cant tell this by opening the box and running your fingers over it!

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