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Old 01-13-2014, 01:22 PM   #1
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Snorkel question

Did a search didn't find much info.....

Looking to put a snorkel on my 03 Rubicon. There seems to be a huge variance in price and not much info on what you get or how it is better/ worse.

You can get the all day for $90- $150 on fleabay

Jeep Wrangler TJ Snorkel System for Water Crossing Dusty Areas Clean Air Intake | eBay

Or pay $500+ from the parts retailers.

ARB SS1055HF - ARB Safari Snorkel for 99-06 Jeep« Wrangler TJ & Unlimited with 4.0L - Quadratec

So whats the difference?? Is one better than the other? Is the more expensvie one 5x better?? Do most of them use the stock air box or is a new one provided?

THanks in advance

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how deep in the water do you really want to go? I would spend my money on something better than a snorkel, and would only consider one if I were consistently going through water deeper than my hood height.

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Old 01-13-2014, 01:37 PM   #3
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Yeah I here ya. I'm not as worried about the depth although on occasion it will be pretty deep. Im more concerned with the splashing of going through multiple puddles. I have hydro locked a motor doing that in the past.
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do some research on the windstar air box mod, which bodes well with your username

I have under $40 into mine
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do some research on the windstar air box mod, which bodes well with your username

I have under $40 into mine

That looks awesome!! Thanks
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Do you have a write up on it? The ones I am seeing go in the cowl area and would appear to be more prone to taking on water than the stock set up
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heres a rather large one with lots of pics.
Windstar cowl intake - JeepForum.com

there are only two ways water can get in there, if you have a 97 with the larger cowl opening, or have a clogged cowl drain
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heres a rather large one with lots of pics.
Windstar cowl intake - JeepForum.com

there are only two ways water can get in there, if you have a 97 with the larger cowl opening, or have a clogged cowl drain
Thanks. Maybe I am misunderstanding. Doesn't rain water and water over the hood enter to cowl area?
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Thanks. Maybe I am misunderstanding. Doesn't rain water and water over the hood enter to cowl area?
it can, and then there is a drain.

if the drain is not functioning, you will have water coming through your heater and pooling on your passenger floor boards
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I like the idea but it seems to be more open to water than the stock set up....
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Windstar Intake on mine and I have several posts later on in the big JeepForum thread.

While water might get into the cowl, it drains out long before it could ever get pulled into the intake. This assumes that the drains are flowing freely. I drove several hours through the torrential rains that flooded the front range mountain towns this Fall, basically following the storm as we both headed East. I actually did check my intake filter when I got home. It was bone dry even after plowing through several flooded streets and highways. The filter canister itself has a weep hole just before the filter, though I doubt it will be needed. Once you see the pictures, you might see how is isn't a big issue. Those who are concerned about water will often put a scoop over the cowl vent.
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I like the idea but it seems to be more open to water than the stock set up....
have you taken a good look at most snorkels? just an open port above the windshield. no way to block rain and no issues
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Good point. The rain is not really so much of a worry. I'm not crossing the amazon or anything so deep water is not my worry. Its the splashing through multiple puddles that worries me. You know the ones that splash on to your windshield. Like I said I hydro locked a motor and shot a rod through the block doing that very thing (granted it wasn't a TJ).
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I see your point though with the drain it would have to be some serious water to actually make it into the intake pipe. Think I'll give it a shot. See if I can dig up a Windstar intake somewhere. Thanks for the info !
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Check out river raider's snorkels TJ Expedition Snorkel
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If anyone knows of a snorkel for a 2.4l engine that is California legal let me know please'!!
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Scored this bad boy for $10! Thanks for all the info!
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Congrats! I think I paid $25 for mine. Starting cutting it up. Shave off all the old mounting points leaving a smooth canister. If you use the horn you will need a slightly larger hole saw than most recommend. 3 1/4", if memory serves. Also, use a template to mark the opening on the "firewall". I go into greater detail in the JeepForum thread. Get ready for a little bit of problem solving to make everything fit together nicely. A table saw helps with cutting the canister.
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Congrats! I think I paid $25 for mine. Starting cutting it up. Shave off all the old mounting points leaving a smooth canister. If you use the horn you will need a slightly larger hole saw than most recommend. 3 1/4", if memory serves. Also, use a template to mark the opening on the "firewall". I go into greater detail in the JeepForum thread. Get ready for a little bit of problem solving to make everything fit together nicely. A table saw helps with cutting the canister.
Good to know. Thanks. Got a link to your write up?
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Old 01-16-2014, 08:26 AM   #21
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My contributions start here...

Windstar cowl intake - Page 10 - JeepForum.com

However, I suggest you read through the entire thread at least once. I just tried to fill in some of the gaps and added in some analysis of the upgrade.
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My contributions start here...

Windstar cowl intake - Page 10 - JeepForum.com

However, I suggest you read through the entire thread at least once. I just tried to fill in some of the gaps and added in some analysis of the upgrade.

Haha yea I already read it thought you had a separate thread. Are you using the the silicone 4" -2.5" elbow reducer?

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Something like that. Mine came from Amazon. I had to use another reducer on the engine side to make the elbow fit the stock intake tube. I made it from the cut part off the stock intake.
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Something like that. Mine came from Amazon. I had to use another reducer on the engine side to make the elbow fit the stock intake tube. I made it from the cut part of the stock intake.
Good deal thanks!! Any plans on relocating the MAT sensor?
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My thoughts on snorkel is that there is more to it than simply putting a snorkel on a jeep. you have to raise the breathers on the axles and ensure that other entry points are sealed before you put a snorkel on. i dont have a snorkel and probably never will as i wont cross throught water in my jeep that comes that high....also i love this caption....
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Good deal thanks!! Any plans on relocating the MAT sensor?
Low priority. I've considered it, but I am less convinced that it would do anything considering how "cold" the intake is now.

The next thing I might try is switching to the 4 port Caravan injectors, but I'm in no rush.
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Yea I have read up on that. I did it on an XJ I owned and didn't see much difference. THis rig is 100% trail so I gas mileage is not one of my concerns. I am pretty interested in an adjustable MAP sensor though
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My thoughts on snorkel is that there is more to it than simply putting a snorkel on a jeep. you have to raise the breathers on the axles and....
Snorkels are silly for most people. I doubt very many go through the trouble to make the rest of the vehicle submersible.
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My thoughts on snorkel is that there is more to it than simply putting a snorkel on a jeep. you have to raise the breathers on the axles and ensure that other entry points are sealed before you put a snorkel on.
this is a very good point, all breathers should be moved up, especially if you have a late model with an auto. the breather is resting on top of the bell housing, way too low IMO
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again a few non snorkel lovers ...google the things not just there for water crossings

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