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Old 01-07-2011, 07:31 PM   #1
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Does anyone have any recommendations on snow tires to get? Or any ideas to weigh down the back of the Jeep. My Jeep fishtails really bad in snow and got me into an accident this morning. So I am trying to weigh all my options.

1) sell my jeep, which I really don't want to
2) get snow tires and only use them from Dec-Feb
3) add sand bags to the back of my jeep when they are calling for snow.

Any help or opinions would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 01-07-2011, 07:34 PM   #3
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Runng...Sorry not understanding what you mean.

But I have an 06' Jeep Wrangler, on 33x12.5xx15 Dunlop Mud Rovers (Which I know suck in snow, unless it is deep)
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I would personally recommend the Goodyear Duratrac. No tire is going to give you traction on ice, but if you are driving in snow this is a great tire. You're not going to find a better vehicle for performance in the snow. Change your tires, not your ride.
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:34 PM   #7
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I have BFG A/T KO's and have never lost traction under snow, unless I was trying to do so.......WEEEEE!
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I bought a full set of Goodyear Wrangler Authority's. Best tires I've ever ran! I highly recommend them.
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I just bought new Wrangler RT/S for my jeep and a set of Firestone Destination LE's for my wife Durango and so far I am pleased with both sets of tires.
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:17 PM   #11
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Are you using 4WD? If it's fishtailing, put it in 4WD. That's why it's there.
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:18 PM   #12
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Are you using 4h for the snow and ice? 2wd in the snow sucks bad.
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I don't mean to sound like a prick, but I know it's gonna come off that way... I like how your Jeep got you into the accident and not your lack of winter driving skills.

Good tires will definitely make a world of difference in snow driving if you don't already have good winter tires on there...I'd recommend the Goodyear Duratracs from what I've heard bout them. I run the BFG A/T's...they're decent, but the Duratracs seem to be better yet AND they're cheaper.


Weighing down the back of the Jeep will also help, but make sure you secure the weight so it doesn't become a projectile in the event of a collision and also make sure that you NEVER put weight BEHIND the rear axle. The best location is directly above it...or slightly in front of it if you can't put it directly overhead.

In the end though...if you aren't proficient at driving in the snow, the best tires and all the weight in the world aren't going to stop you from having future accidents. Selling the Jeep might help reduce that risk, but only because a Jeep has a short wheelbase, so the risk of accidents due to lack of skill is multiplied. Either way, I would highly recommend going out in a nice open parking lot and practice losing control on icy turns and learn how to correct it without overcorrecting or making the wrong moves.

For one, you'll learn the proper techniques to follow in the situation...and you'll get used to that feeling of sliding out of control and you won't be as prone to panicking and/or freezing up when you need to be working the steering wheel or the gas/brakes.

Edit: Btw, as mentioned...running in 4wd helps tremendously for winter driving provided there's enough snow/ice on the roads for the tires to properly slip, especially on turns. But keep in mind...acceleration may be muuuuch better, but braking will still SUCK...and your ass end may still come around on you if you turn too sharp.
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Old 01-08-2011, 08:30 AM   #14
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2) get snow tires and only use them from Dec-Feb
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My Jeep has 30x9.5x15 BFG T/A KO's. We got hit with about 30" on the 26th. They really dragged their feet (some think intentionally) plowing the roads. The streets were covered pretty good for days. I had absolutely no problem in the snow.

Now if you want to run dedicated snow tires, I would imagine they'd be that much better. Prior to the Jeep I drove Mustang GTs year round, including through snow...

I put Firestone winterforce tires on my 2000 GT in the winter and ~125lbs of sand bags in the trunk. It handle great in the snow.

With my Jeep (especially after this last storm) I don't see a need to run different tires in the winter. The BFGs work great...


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3) add sand bags to the back of my jeep when they are calling for snow.

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In a strictly rear wheel drive vehicle, adding weight to the rear of the car can really help in gaining traction.

With a 4 wheel drive vehicle I think it's a trade off (and I lean to not adding weight). The added weight will help out in traction when you're vehicle is in 2 wheel drive. However, if it's slippery enough that you are loosing traction, you should be running in 4 wheel drive. Adding weight is also that much more weight that needs to be stopped when you're braking.
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Does anyone have any recommendations on snow tires to get? Or any ideas to weigh down the back of the Jeep. My Jeep fishtails really bad in snow and got me into an accident this morning. So I am trying to weigh all my options.

1) sell my jeep, which I really don't want to
2) get snow tires and only use them from Dec-Feb
3) add sand bags to the back of my jeep when they are calling for snow.

Any help or opinions would be greatly appreciated.
Hows this: TRY 4WD!
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Is it me or do people just not know how to drive in snow anymore?
No offense to the OP but it just seems everywhere i go people are blaming their vehicles and tires and not themselves for poor performance in snow and ice.

First off, why sell the jeep over a little snow? First time you drive whatever vehicle you get next your sure to be in the same situation minus the short wheelbase. Besides, unless you live in a snow band there isn't snow all the time.

As stated above, take your jeep into a parking lot and practice thats what i did and still do from time to time when we get our first snow each year here. Your better off getting a feel for your jeep now then having to start over with a new vehicle.
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Old 01-08-2011, 10:45 AM   #17
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i have cooper stt and they are decent. Like everybody has said it's going to be hard to find a tire that is good on ice. These are good in snow and ok on ice. 4wd and take your time. i live in wy and it snows for about 6 months out of the year.
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Haha no offense taken to any of the above comments. Everything deffently helped. And yes I was in 4h, however that was after the accident. Leason learned thats for sure.

As for the parking lot, that is deffently somthing I need to try, however I've noticed everytime we've had snow, it was always on a weekday...So I am kinda screwed since work. But deff not trying to make that as excuse, will just have to go after work or something of the sorts.

S3nt3nc3d…You deff did not come off sounding like a prick. I knew what you were meaning. And I'll be the first to admit, I am not the best driving in the snow. Its not something I have to daily, but something I will have to learn.
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I have had real good luck with both BFG and Pro Comp all terrain . Both have the severe weather rating which you can tell a tire that meets that quailification by the picture of the mountains on the sidewall . From what I was told that rating means you do not need chains on your tires in the areas of the country where they are required in the snow
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My Jeep is squirly in the snow but if I keep it in 4WD its fine with my rear locker.
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Could you brake an axel making a sharp turn?
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Old 01-08-2011, 02:07 PM   #22
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Things brake all the time for no good stupid reason on the road.. An Axle however is very very very very very very very very very very unlikely.. Even if it is the putrid D35.. However off road a locked D35 is for the most part on borrowed time
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Old 01-08-2011, 04:17 PM   #23
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no one has said this yet, but if you're gonna be riding your jeep in the winter a lot, then you need a narrow tire to cut through the snow. put it this way, compare your 33x12.5 to a 33x10.5 tire. the more narrow the tire, (33x10.5) has more more cubic pressure pressing the tread of the tire onto the surface of the road, which gives you better traction on the asphalt. (this also works the same on obstacles when you're riding off road) compared to the wider 33x12.5, the tires tread surface is wider so it disperses the pressure between contact surfaces of the asphalt and tread of the tire more. so you float on rather than grip the road, similar to how snow shoes work(better for deep mud, sand, and deep snow) there is a positive to a wide tire, more control on a dry surface while driving, but we're not worried about that.

i use to run stock 235's with studs in the winter, last year, i sold them and bought the bfg km2's in 33x10.5s for the above mentioned reasons. I also planned to run them year round because of their tread style and performance in all conditions, they also wear amazing. i couldn't have been happier with the choice. in 4wd i never lost control, you just gotta take your time, drive appropriately, and recognize that you do have a shorter wheel base. i also would take a 25 and 35lb olympic style weight plate from my gym set and throw them underneath the back seat, right over the axle... 70lbs right under ur seat isn't too shaby considered you're taking up no additional space at all. good luck!
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I gotta agree with some of the other posters, it makes NO sense why this issue comes up so often on a site concerned exclusively with one of the best winter vehicles ever made. Learn how to drive in the winter and how to outfit your vehicle for the same, and you'll be fine. Hell, you'll be better than fine - you'll be damned near invincible!

The characteristics that make a good winter tire are not necessarily the same that make a good summer tire, or a good mud tire, or a good sand tire, or a good highway tire. Driver skill surely plays a part, but simply choosing the right tires will solve better than 50% of the troubles.

I've driven Wranglers for the past 10 years as daily driver vehicles. Started on Goodyear GS-A, then BFG A/T, then BFG M/T, then BFG M/T (Easter-Thanksgiving) and Yokohama Geolandar I/T (Thanksgiving-Easter). I travel to some outlying rural counties for my work as a legal aid attorney, and have to get to court on time irrespective of the weather and road conditions. And many days, where I'm in court in one county in the morning and another in the afternoon, there simply isn't enough extra time in the day to leave hours early to get to court on time.

In response to OP:

1. NO, don't sell the Jeep!

2. YES, get dedicated winter tires. Seriously, they're worth every penny, and will save wear on your spring-summer-fall tires. I've been running Yokohamas I mentioned above for the past few years and have been THRILLED with their surefooted performance. With a tight LSD in the rear axle, I rarely need to use 4wd, except when the snow is incredibly deep, and with these tires I can stop, turn, and accelerate smoothly and in my intended direction when the roads are snowy, icy, and even when towing a trailer in the snow/ice.

31-10.50-15 on OEM steel rims, 1" spacer lift to compensate for the winch weight.


3. Extra weight isn't needed, in my experience. I'd rather have the right tires and keep my vehicle weight (and thus the momentum that needs to be controlled) to a minimum.


EDIT: Looked at your Jeep Profile. Dunlop MudRovers are most of your problem in the winter, made even worse by the -12.50 tire size. Try some dedicated winter tires in 235-85-16 on cheap steel rims, that should be a great setup for winter roads, both paved and dirt!!
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I got mine out in a little snow a couple of weeks ago and I came back home real quick.It wanted to fishtail all the time and I Was in 4hi.But I need tires and I know that makes all the differance.Im running street tires that were put on by the previous owner
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This is the first year that i have run Goodyear Duratracs in the winter and can honestly say thay are the best tire i have ever had. I will put them on the wife's Grand Cherokee also. Last year i ran with two sand bags 150lbs. That's about right. I have four bags this year 300lbs. That is to heavy and even makes it hang in the rear. One good advantage to using four sand bags is you can use two of them as wheel chocks when winching out the wife.
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I just got home from work. I have a steep driveway that is still covered with some snow and ice from a few days ago. My last truck (01 Dodge 2500 Cummins 4X4) would have to be in 4wd to pull this hill snow covered. My Jeep just went up this same hill in 2wd.
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I posted a thread with that EXACT topic about weight in the rear end a couple years ago when I first got my Jeep. Most people said don't do it.

Tires DO make all the difference in the world on ANY vehicle.

Believe it or not, I don't drive my Jeep in the winter very often. Stuff would be rotted out in a year with all the salt they use around here.

I have 31x10.5x15 Uniroyal Liberators from Walmart that I run year around. When I have been out in the snow, they have performed excellently. Get excellent traction in 2WD also. That part is all about keeping your foot light on the gas.
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no one has said this yet, but if you're gonna be riding your jeep in the winter a lot, then you need a narrow tire to cut through the snow. ...
Yup.....

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put it this way, compare your 33x12.5 to a 33x10.5 tire. the more narrow the tire, (33x10.5) has more more cubic pressure pressing the tread of the tire onto the surface of the road, ....
Semantics but that's not correct....

If you're running 30 pounds per square inch in a 33x12.5 OR a 33x10.5 BOTH will be applying the same 30 lbs per square inch to the road surface.....

They will also have the same size contact patch area. For simplicity's sake lets say your Jeep weighs 3000 lbs. The total contact patch area would be 100 square inches:
3000 lbs / 30 lbs / square inches

It has to do with the width your Jeep's tires are cutting through the snow. The 12.5" tires will be cutting a wider path (more resistance) through the snow which is what you don't want. So yes the 10.5" would be a better choice (with the same model tire) but not due to "more cubic pressure"....



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I just drove back home in my jeep, 31x10.50 Dunlop MudRovers... Put some sand in the back and you should be fine, IF YOU KNOW HOW TO DRIVE IN THE SNOW. Use 4wd as appropriate. Go slow in snow, and remember 4wd does not mean more traction, just means more use of the traction you have. Go play in an empty parking lot to see how well your jeep will recover from slides. Mud tires aren't the best in the snow, but it just means you need better skills to drive in the snow with them. SNOW = SLOW!!!

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