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Old 11-13-2007, 07:13 PM   #1
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so MANY intakes...

does anyone have the aem brute force? if so how do you like it?

what else do you all like?

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Old 11-13-2007, 07:42 PM   #2
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Just bought a 01TJ and it has it on there. Gotta say I like it a lot! Lots of torque and a considerable difference in HP around 3500 to 4000. The kit comes with a throttle body spacer which helps out a lot. It does not have the loud sucking sound of the K and N or the air raid system, or for that matter a girl I know, but it may be because it's dirty and I haven't cleaned it yet. There is a good discription of it in Quadratrac.

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Old 11-13-2007, 10:55 PM   #3
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my friend down in southern oregon had one he jusst got rid of to get a snorkle. he said he misses it and loved how it worked. can't speak from personal experiance on my rig but could tell a major difference when I drove his.
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4.0L?

I have a Air raid and I notice nothing but a cool sound. ^_^

Some say the 4 banger it's worth the upgrade but the I6 better to spend money on a snorkel.

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Old 11-13-2007, 11:44 PM   #5
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yea i have a 4.0L
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Old 11-13-2007, 11:46 PM   #6
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what type of wheelin do you do? I'm guessing since you live in vegas you do either sand or rocks? not alot of mud or water around there...but then again I'm just guessing...
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yea i have a 4.0L
IMO don't waste your money a snorkel would be better or more functional.


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Old 11-13-2007, 11:48 PM   #8
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I have to agree with lev on the snorkle kit though if you have the 4.0L, and it looks really cool.
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Old 11-13-2007, 11:49 PM   #9
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4.0L?

I have a Air raid and I notice nothing but a cool sound. ^_^

Some say the 4 banger it's worth the upgrade but the I6 better to spend money on a snorkel.

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Old 11-13-2007, 11:49 PM   #10
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well i have a cabin in big bear, so there is pretty much everything.
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lucky lucky you... go with the snorkle kit from ARB you'll be thrilled with it.
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what type of wheelin do you do? I'm guessing since you live in vegas you do either sand or rocks? not alot of mud or water around there...but then again I'm just guessing...
we do get mud out here but when its really wet you don't go out in it
it doesn't matter if you have 44's or 29's lots of horse power or a little you sink to the frame and have to wait till it dries up a little to get your rig out

we get snow up the mountain and flash floods but not much for river driving unless we could get surprise canyon open again (darn tree huggers)
(LOTS OF ROCKS)

out here the snorkel helps with the dust
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Old 11-14-2007, 02:16 AM   #13
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I live in oregon you don't have to tell me about sinking to your frame with the help of rain. I guess I just didn't think about the flash floods thing. I would love to come down ther and find some spots to play though. hopefully plannin a trip that way next year to visit some friends.
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I have the Airaid set up Air Intake and TBS and I agree it makes a cool sound and I noticed a little bit of difference, but I don't think it is worth the money I spend.
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I have a K&N intake with a TBS and I love it, but I don't wheel in enough mud or water to need the snorkel. I haven't noticed the sucking sound or any whistling like I have on my gas saving Honda. Either way you decide to go you can't go wrong!

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but I don't wheel in enough mud or water to need the snorkel.
Snorkel is better since it gives a ram effect since its pointed towards the front so it gets completely outside air going to it vs the warmer engine compartment air so in other words you might not need one but you will get better results w/ a snorkel.

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or for that matter a girl I know
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A Jeep is not a Mustang.... the "ram effect" of a snorkel is vastly reduced due to the drastic angles and flex of the snorkel to get the air into the engine along with the air having to pass through the filter. A snorkel is not a ram air intake system. If you want ram effect then mock up a true ram air intake by cutting your hood and mocking up a true ram air intake system. Snorkels benefit the engine by ensuring that the engine gets air from outside of the engine compartment that does not contain water and by helping the engine get colder air, not by forcefeeding the engine more air. If you have links to literature with scientific test data proving that a snorkel force feeds an engine like a traditional ram air intake then by all means I would love to see it. Until then you will have a hard time convincing me that a snorkel is better than my K&N intake system was b/c it was FREE!!! I don't mean to sound like I am attacking by any means, but rather stating my opinion, which happens to differ from yours. Have a great day and enjoy your Jeep!
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there were magazines that did reviews and such.. there are 3 bends in a snorkel.. with 50 miles it does give a ram effect.. obviously you wont get any psi but its much better to have full volume at 0psi then vacuum at a negative psi.

Its not if it s a mustang or not, its just basic engines... it makes no difference if its a Mustang or a Jeep
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engines act differently.
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keep your money i have both tbs&cai they suck -literally
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keep your money i have both tbs&cai they suck -literally
Boring the throttle body made a noticable increase in my rigs performance and it was free.. you might want to try that.. if you take apart your throttle body you will see what i'm talking about.. the bottom side (intake manifold side) of the butterfly shrinks.. well i enlarged it so now my entire throttle body is the same diameter. Check out the bottom of my page for more info and pics.

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engines act differently.

Yes they do however ramming air is similar.. from memory a wrangler snorkel uses 3.5 or 4" piping?
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Check your plugs, doesnt it make it run lean?
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Check your plugs, doesnt it make it run lean?
well the AFM should read the air as cold (since its cold) so it should add more fuel.
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well the AFM should read the air as cold (since its cold) so it should add more fuel.
It doesn't. It reads the exact same as it does now. The injectors are only designed to throw out so much fule and the PCM is programmed on a pretty standarized level. TJ's are not very happy with cheap power adders.

Placebo effect does come to mind though.
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:10 PM   #26
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I sold my aev to get a volant periscoop because of the durabuility of it. I didnt like the design of the arb. As for the aev, it was an excellent kit. Right now I have just a K&N in the box. I lost a ton of top end. With the intake, pulling my two quads(2500 lbs + the trailer) to the dunes over the passes at 55. Now I can barely break 40-45.
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My next mod will be finishing my 8.8 w/ new 4:56 gears. Then tubes fenders and I'm thinking snorkel.
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Right now I have just a K&N in the box.
so you removed the aftermarket and installed your stock intake on and just dropped in a rectangular K&N?


Also rip, whenever you do install snorkel, report back
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I have the K&N FIPK2 kit and i have tons of power over stock jeeps. ive burnt civic si's more than once. but i want a snorkel in the future and the brand i think is best is volant. they combine their intake with the snorkel and is made for jeepers with air conditioning. while the arb isnt for jeeps with a/c because of the primitive design of it
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ive burnt civic si's more than once.

hehe ttry the new civics w/ manual tranny.. you wont have a chance.

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