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Old 01-09-2014, 08:39 PM   #1
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Sold JK and picked up LJ

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Modifications from Previous Owner
Kilby Hood Lift Kit
Double Cardon Front Drive Shaft
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Mixed Rubicon Express 3.5" Short Arm Lift with Dual Jointed Arms (I think Johny Joints)
1"-2" Performance Accessories Body Lift
Unknown Belly Up Skid Plate (tummy tuck)
Unknown Engine Skid Plate (tummy tuck)
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Four X Doctor Front Differential Skid Plate
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33" BFGoodrich Mud Terrains
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Once I get things narrowed down a bit I will post the full build article on the forum for advise. Its going to take a lot of research to build this thing the right way the first time. Don't want to make the same mistakes I made with my 09 JKu.







So far it is everything my previous Wrangler was but even more. I really don't know why I didn't buy the TJ Unlimited in the first place, actually, I was a newb and just wanted what looked cool in person. This will be a much better platform to build up from also vs. my previous Wrangler due to the shorter wheelbase and Rubicon upgrades. With some built Rubicon axles, 37 inch mud terrains, 3.5 inch lift, and armor this will easily walk circles around a built JK Unlimited (in my humble opinion). The 4:1 transfer case was amazing on my little "flex mounds". It climbed everything without even giving it gas, absolutely amazing.

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I wake up everyday and wish I had held out for an LJ lol, she looks good. I'm real jealous

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I wake up everyday and wish I had held out for an LJ lol, she looks good. I'm real jealous
I feel your pain...I have my tj rubicon up for sale with dreams of an lj in my future..
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I feel your pain...I have my tj rubicon up for sale with dreams of an lj in my future..
If I wasn't a college kid, on a [more than] limited budget, I'd definitely have LJ plans right now.
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nice score, the LJ Rubicon is arguably the top dog of all TJ's.
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Old 01-10-2014, 09:17 AM   #6
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I have to agree with you MarkGLHS. I was looking at the TJ but the ride quality was not as good nor was the handling. The main problem was lack of storage space. As a Jeeper I enjoy being out doors as much as possible and the TJ just lacked space to carry stuff, such as camping gear.

I do miss the four doors on my JK Unlimited but I am slowly getting used to the TJ Unlimited. Other than that I think the LJ is superior in every way possible.
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Old 01-10-2014, 09:22 AM   #7
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You don't have Currie JJ's, you have RE joints and bushings. If that's not already a problem it will be eventually. Keep that in mind.

If you take some pics of the armor, steering, and suspension we can give you a better idea of what you've got. What are your build plans? I'd be glad to make some recommendations if you'd like a clear path.
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Thanks Imped, I will grab some pictures of everything to post up today.

However, the previous owner did not use the complete RE lift kit. It appears it is a mix and match and one of them is the control arms. They do not match any RE kit offered today. I will grab some pictures of them as I could easily be wrong here. Heck, if they are RE joints it would explain the bad vibrations. Time to order some MC...

Also, when sitting on level ground the joints are far from a neutral position, is this normal for factory mounting locations and short arms? Some of the arms are about 1/4 of an inch away from binding.
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Old 01-10-2014, 09:35 AM   #9
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I like my LJ much better than my JK. But to each their own.
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Thanks Imped, I will grab some pictures of everything to post up today.

However, the previous owner did not use the complete RE lift kit. It appears it is a mix and match and one of them is the control arms. They do not match any RE kit offered today. I will grab some pictures of them as I could easily be wrong here. Heck, if they are RE joints it would explain the bad vibrations. Time to order some MC...

Also, when sitting on level ground the joints are far from a neutral position, is this normal for factory mounting locations and short arms? Some of the arms are about 1/4 of an inch away from binding.
Considering all mount faces are inline as the as the axle housings are centered between the frame rails and within reasonable distance from factory orientation, no that's not normal. If there are rod ends/joints on both ends of the arms, they should be oriented the same (same angle relative to their respective mounts). If that's the case, that's all that matters. Just because they're misaligned doesn't mean they'll 'bind'....they're simply free to rotate about the fixed center ball. This will become clearer as you become more familiar with how some of this stuff works.
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How much play should be in the front drive shaft? I cannot even more the rear while I have a lot of movement in the front. I think I need u joints. I should also mention the Jeep seems to have a lot of front end vibrations.

If it does need u joints how do I determine what the previous owner installed?
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So LJs are superior to TJs? I thought they were about equal, each having pros and cons.
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LJs are just longer TJs, so they're not exactly "superior". They're just more practical and ride better. Many will argue about the off-road benefits of TJs or LJs over each other. However, you'll find a lot of TJ owners that have lengthened their TJs, but no LJ owners that I know of who have shortened theirs, so that says something.
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Old 01-10-2014, 09:42 PM   #14
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Everyone picked a Jeep for a reason, to them it is superior. I may say mine is superior to any other Jeep but that is just my opinion. It is superior for my personal needs in the Jeep.
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Old 01-11-2014, 09:36 AM   #15
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Just discovered she may have Chromoly axle shafts in the front!

I have yet to check the rears...
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Oh she does she does
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So LJs are superior to TJs? I thought they were about equal, each having pros and cons.
Not superior..just a little rarer,sexier,awesomer..sweet rig pissant..I hate my jeep just a little more because of yours.
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Old 01-11-2014, 06:47 PM   #18
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pissant that is one sweet lj!
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Old 01-13-2014, 07:09 PM   #19
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Are you calling me a pissant? I take extreme offense to that!
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yep call em like I see em. ha ha
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Nice flex, what lift are you running? So far I am decently happy with the RE mix except the coils make a lot of noise when articulating.
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Nice flex, what lift are you running? So far I am decently happy with the RE mix except the coils make a lot of noise when articulating.
Highly doubtful. Something else is probably making the noise.
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I have not read through all the responses to see whether anyone pointed tis out to you, but the OEM front shaft on a TJ is a double cardan. Was this an upgrade, an OEM replacement, or what? The fact that it is a DC means nothing since it already was a DC.

Nice find, by the way! Congratulations!
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I have to agree with you MarkGLHS. I was looking at the TJ but the ride quality was not as good nor was the handling. The main problem was lack of storage space. As a Jeeper I enjoy being out doors as much as possible and the TJ just lacked space to carry stuff, such as camping gear.

I do miss the four doors on my JK Unlimited but I am slowly getting used to the TJ Unlimited. Other than that I think the LJ is superior in every way possible.
If you cant fit your camping gear in a TJ ... you're taking too much!! Small tent, small backpack, and a cooler, and most times ... I dont even bring a cooler!
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The front drive shaft I believe to be aftermarket as it has the remains of a blue tag on it. OEM equipment almost always uses a white tag with a bar code. Also a friend of mine has a TJ and our front drive shafts look nothing alike (his is in fact an OEM drive shaft).

Yes, you could fit everything into a TJ for camping. Heck my method of camping is talking my Camelback only and enjoying the out doors for a couple of days. Nothing but the bare essentials.

On the other hand I also have a fiance who enjoys the outdoors but wants a little more convenience. Plus once we take along our full size dog it requires us to carry more food, water, tie down, and larger tent (he hates to be outside). Did I mention I like to take multiple long guns also? You can never have to much room but you can have to little.
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Highly doubtful. Something else is probably making the noise.
That is very possible, I have not yet started the process of elimination. I am taking 45 days off work as of January 17th (leaving for AF training) and will use this time to familiarize myself with the Jeep and determine what needs upgraded first. Always good old AIST (arse in seat time).

I believe it may be coils as I only here this noise (creaking) when the coil is compressing or extending. It is present at no other times.
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Could be sway bar or end links too.
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Nice flex, what lift are you running? So far I am decently happy with the RE mix except the coils make a lot of noise when articulating.
currently 4inch springs, RC longarm, OME long travel shocks, 2inch BL
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The front drive shaft I believe to be aftermarket as it has the remains of a blue tag on it. OEM equipment almost always uses a white tag with a bar code. Also a friend of mine has a TJ and our front drive shafts look nothing alike (his is in fact an OEM drive shaft).

Yes, you could fit everything into a TJ for camping. Heck my method of camping is talking my Camelback only and enjoying the out doors for a couple of days. Nothing but the bare essentials.

On the other hand I also have a fiance who enjoys the outdoors but wants a little more convenience. Plus once we take along our full size dog it requires us to carry more food, water, tie down, and larger tent (he hates to be outside). Did I mention I like to take multiple long guns also? You can never have to much room but you can have to little.
hah I agree I agree. My wife goes camping with me as well, shes not big on the primative camping every time, so we do a bit of car camping where we take blankets, pillows, everything she needs to cook, the big tent etc etc. Just busting your chops. I have 3 small dogs, although I only feel comfortable taking one as he is extremely well behaved and I trust him entirely to NOT go bolting thru my tent at the first noise he hears ... The other 2 though ... They chase after leafs in the back yard.
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Here's 2 photos I have of my dog when I took him camping at the beach actually. Car camping this trip with the wife. Little dog makes for easy sleeping in the small tent hah



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