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Old 01-20-2012, 09:34 AM   #1
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Speaking of winches....

Anyone know whatever happened to the MileMarker winch? I almost put one on my truck a few years back. I really liked the concept but wasn't sure about the long term durability and strain on the power steering pump.
I would be interested in hearing about anyone's experience with these.

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I have an electric one... previous owner installed it. Looks like they are still in business even though I emailed their tech support but did not receive a response.

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Milemarker's hydraulic winch line is still available but the popularity of their hydraulic winches is pretty much over. I haven't seen one in any of my six local 4x4 stores in years. They are too hard to install for most people and they are AGONIZINGLY slow to use. I won a 2-speed 10,500 lb. hydraulic Milemarker winch years ago but sold it since I was more than happy with my Warn HS-9500i electric winch.

Since a few will think winch speed may not be an issue, it really is since some winching situations work best when you can assist the winch by driving forward when possible. A slow winch won't be able to keep up during those times the Jeep can provide its own momentum which can cause a big snarl/bird's nest of tangled cable.
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Milemarker's hydraulic winch line is still available but the popularity of their hydraulic winches is pretty much over. I haven't seen one in any of my six local 4x4 stores in years. They are too hard to install for most people and they are AGONIZINGLY slow to use. I won a 2-speed 10,500 lb. hydraulic Milemarker winch years ago but sold it since I was more than happy with my Warn HS-9500i electric winch.

Since a few will think winch speed may not be an issue, it really is since some winching situations work best when you can assist the winch by driving forward when possible. A slow winch won't be able to keep up during those times the Jeep can provide its own momentum which can cause a big snarl/bird's nest of tangled cable.
Hey Jerry, what winch do you currently have on your jeep? I know your a very wise off road expert and want your opinion. which should I go with? I want a Warn with synthetic rope. but what model would you recommend me?
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My replacement winch (my previous jeep and winch was stolen last year) was a Warn 9.5xp which maybe overkill for some winch users. How often and how you will use your future winch, and your budget, is important to know for what winch will work well for you.
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I installed a MM HI9000 last year and have used it many time. It may be slower but it runs all day. I like it and no issues with the power steering pump. I gave a winch clinic for our wrangle club and my winch was the only one that did not over heat and ran all day. During the complex winching the electrics had to use time to cool off. Mine ran the entire time hence it was much faster and finished first.
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BTW: Last year we have a member get stuck in the snow. He needed to pull for 150 feet to get unstuck. The electric winch overheated and melted wiring. He ended up calling a tow company who had a snow cat. $600 to tow him out.
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I gave a winch clinic for our wrangle club and my winch was the only one that did not over heat and ran all day. During the complex winching the electrics had to use time to cool off. Mine ran the entire time hence it was much faster and finished first.
That's an old tired song that hasn't been popular in at least five years now. A true oldie.

It's funny that some hydraulic winch users like to talk about how electric winches overheat. While that is technically possible, they do so so rarely that it is only an issue for hydraulic winch owners to raise. In 15 + years of off roading on trails tough enough where winches are regularly used, I have never seen even a single overheated electric winch. I have personally done many repetitive winch pulls with my electric winches and never had one overheat.

In this case, what is theoretically possible and what is in fact reality are two different things entirely. It's the same tired song hydraulic winch owners have been singing for years.

One last comment... I have had 3 instances where my engine could not be started on the trail where I had to winch myself off the trail without running the engine. No I did not need a jump start afterwards. Try that with a hydraulic winch.

These are reasons why Milemarker had to add their line of electric winches several years ago... all of which are imported from China. And why Milemarker hydraulic winches are so seldom seen in retail off road stores any more. The only way to get a hydraulic winch here in san diego is to order it since they are no longer stocked due to lack of sales.
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We have a 3/4 ton 4 wheel drive pu with a small wrecker bed in the back that we use to recover off road accidents and stuck vehicles in our Colorado high country here around Frisco. It has a Ramsey commerical electric winch and has done many, many, hard jobs over the years and we have replaced the electric motor in it only once. We use a large commercial battery to power it that is mounted next to the winch motor and recharged off of the pu charging system. We also use our 1966 CJ-5 with a factory Ramsey PTO winch if we need more pull, such as pulling a pu that is 100 feet down in the trees off a jeep road. Can't beat a PTO winch for pulling, something is going to give. The CJ-5 has 31/10.50/15 tires on it that will usually stay on top of a snowmobile packed trail where a lot of people try to drive their 4 wheel vehicles on. They get down the trail and eventaly fall thru the crust, and they are toast. The CJ works great to get them winched back upon the snow packed trail and with 6 different winch speeds from the PTO winch, we have them out fast. Wish an electric winch had that kind of line speed.
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That's an old tired song that hasn't been popular in at least five years now. A true oldie.

It's funny that some hydraulic winch users like to talk about how electric winches overheat. While that is technically possible, they do so so rarely that it is only an issue for hydraulic winch owners to raise. In 15 + years of off roading on trails tough enough where winches are regularly used, I have never seen even a single overheated electric winch. I have personally done many repetitive winch pulls with my electric winches and never had one overheat.

In this case, what is theoretically possible and what is in fact reality are two different things entirely. It's the same tired song hydraulic winch owners have been singing for years.

One last comment... I have had 3 instances where my engine could not be started on the trail where I had to winch myself off the trail without running the engine. No I did not need a jump start afterwards. Try that with a hydraulic winch.

These are reasons why Milemarker had to add their line of electric winches several years ago... all of which are imported from China. And why Milemarker hydraulic winches are so seldom seen in retail off road stores any more. The only way to get a hydraulic winch here in san diego is to order it since they are no longer stocked due to lack of sales.
I do not think it is funny to talk about how electric winches can heat up and overheat; it is the responsible thing to do. If you do not instruct new winch owners and make them aware of the pros and cons of electric, hydraulic, and pto winches, then you have failed as a winch instructor. Your 15+ years of experiences with electric winches rarely overheating, is much different than my 35+ years of experience, observations, and hands on instruction with pto’s, hydraulic, and electric winches.
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Yep, heat is such a huge problem for electric winches that Milemarker, the world's largest manufacturer of hydraulic winches for 4x4 vehicles, had to add a line of electric winches to stay in business. If heat was truly the big issue you claimed it to be, we'd be running hydraulics. I haven't even seen a hydraulic winch on the trail in several years now and winch usage is required on the trails I do.
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Yep, heat is such a huge problem for electric winches that Milemarker, the world's largest manufacturer of hydraulic winches for 4x4 vehicles, had to add a line of electric winches to stay in business. If heat was truly the big issue you claimed it to be, we'd be running hydraulics. I haven't even seen a hydraulic winch on the trail in several years now and winch usage is required on the trails I do.
Let’s get the record straight. I stated what I have personality observed, heard from others experiences with overheated electric winches, experienced, and saw hands on. I did not say the issue of overheating electric winching is a big issue; you just stated that in your post. It can be a big issue for electric winch owners who are taught incorrectly on how to use an electric winch. You need to educate correctly winch owners on the pro’s and cons of winching with an electric, hydraulic, and PTO winches. Again if you do not do that you have failed as a winch instructor and off road driver.
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I overheated my 8274 only a handful of times in the last 25 years. The original motor lasted until 3 years ago when I had to buy a new one. The only downside to a hyd winch is that if your motor quits your are pretty much dead in the water...where an electric one you can still go even if its getting power from a buddies jumper cables. I am partial to electric and my 8274 simply because that's what I grew up with and my 1979 Jeep one still works as good as the day dad bought it new.
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... you have failed as a winch instructor and off road driver.
Since you are so into the Winch Instructor title, I thought you might like to cut this Gold Star out and pin it to your shirt.

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The motor on this one overheats every time I try to use it. Lol
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The motor on this one overheats every time I try to use it. Lol
Isn't that the truth!
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The motor on this one overheats every time I try to use it. Lol

OOOH and the GAS emissions are horrendous.
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Nice, I believe they are now sold with lighter synthetic lines.
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Nice, I believe they are now sold with lighter synthetic lines.
Yep that would make the difference between a simple low-grade heart attack vs. a full-on myocardial infarction after using it.
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After many phone calls and e-mails to Warn and Mile Marker the below is what I have found regarding the duty cycle of a electric winch.

"Duty Cycle—unless specified otherwise, most electric DC and AC powered winches cannot be operated continuously. To do this will overheat and damage the motor. The maximum normal duty cycle is 1 to 3 minutes ON, followed by a 20-minute cool-down period. For more frequent operation needs, refer to long cycle or longer duty rated electric units, and continuous duty rated hydraulic winches."

"The duty cycle for the warn electric winches is ONE MINUTE ON and NINE MINUTES OFF. The electric winches can get too hot to touch. The hydraulic winch just pulls and pulls."

Both Warn and Mile Marker over the phone stated "if the motor feels hot to the hand, let it cool for a bit".
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You have a very long hard road ahead of you trying to convince all the electric winch owners that their winches overheat and that they need to convert to hydraulic.
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Honestly I am still wondering why a person would think they are better considering the engine HAS to be running to make it work. I can swap batteries all day if it gets me out of the woods, but a dead engine is just that.
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Honestly I am still wondering why a person would think they are better considering the engine HAS to be running to make it work. I can swap batteries all day if it gets me out of the woods, but a dead engine is just that.
I'd rather have an electric winch for this reason. Plus I'd have to say the type of winching we do is usually to help the vehicle along, not just pulling for hours on end, so I'd have to say the duty cycle argument is a bit invalid, at least for me. If I need to pull the Jeep without assisting the winch at all for very long periods of time it's probably because my engine died, at which point a hydraulic winch would be useless anyways.
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You have a very long hard road ahead of you trying to convince all the electric winch owners that their winches overheat and that they need to convert to hydraulic.
Not trying to convince all the electric winch owners that their winches overheat and they need to convert to hydraulic. The facts are the facts that an electric motor products heat and the new electric winch owners need to be aware of it. I can and have gave you examples of where the newer electric winch owners were unaware of this and burn't up wiring and/or there electric motors. You are choosing not to educate them, I choose to.
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Honestly I am still wondering why a person would think they are better considering the engine HAS to be running to make it work. I can swap batteries all day if it gets me out of the woods, but a dead engine is just that.
I do not it is "better"; I think it is better to educate and then let the person make an informed and educated decision. For what I do a hydraulic/pto winch is good for me. If I was rocking crawling allot I'd opt of an electric winch and have my gears geared for the line speed. Can you imagine what would happen to a new electric owner with one battery if he was not told the pros and cons of running one battery? Everyone has different needs for their winch.
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Actually most people do just run one battery on here. I use a winch that was made long before most of this forum was alive lol, and I have only had to rebuild the motor once and it was a whole 50 bucks.
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I'd rather have an electric winch for this reason. Plus I'd have to say the type of winching we do is usually to help the vehicle along, not just pulling for hours on end, so I'd have to say the duty cycle argument is a bit invalid, at least for me. If I need to pull the Jeep without assisting the winch at all for very long periods of time it's probably because my engine died, at which point a hydraulic winch would be useless anyways.
And you are informed and understand the pros and cons for the electric winch, and picked the winch for your needs. Yes, I agree and hydraulic winch is useless with a dead motor, but so can an electric winch with one battery. That is why it a good idea to have a backup plan for recovery. I have a 12V electric motor that I can tie into my hydraulic pump and still use the winch if I need to in an extreme emergency with my motor not running. It runs off my second battery.
BTW: the duty cycle argument is not my intent to argue the point. My intent is to inform and make those aware of the duty cycle of an electric motor. It is apparent that there are those, (not you) that take offence to me bring this up. I question their motives as to why this is an issue for them? I’d ask them why not educate the newer winch owner? Once educated and informed (like you) the heat issue will not be an issue for them.

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