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Old 10-02-2008, 07:41 PM   #1
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Stick or auto

Confused on either a stick or auto for daily use and offroad (rocks whatever)? I like the auto but how about a 6 speed rubi? Such a hard decision

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My last rig was a Rubicon 5sp. My current is a 4dr auto JK. I miss the stick off road and love my auto for the road. Takes some time getting use to an auto on the trails. Overall, the auto wins.

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i hate driving auto on/ off road, I just love driving stick
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i hate driving auto on/ off road, I just love driving stick
On road the stick is fine,just worried about how hard it is to offroad,i have never taken mine offroad so i guess theres only one way to find out,i just worry about rolling back bla bla bla
I know when i had an auto i could just creep over things without harsh takeoffs.
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Same in a stick just feather the clutch more and you get the softer take off's. IT is not hard at all unless your don't have the hand foot eye coordination going for ya then i would say stick to a auto!
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I've had both and I've really enjoyed each one. They both have benefits and drawbacks.

However, a manual trans can be a bit of a unwanted handful in certain off-road conditions such as rock crawling or severe angles. IMO - the automatic does not present such issues. Your travel is much more controlled and smoother. Engine stall and choppy take offs are virtually eliminated. This allows you to really focus on your line and the hazards better.
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its all preference. i love manual, i love being in complete control of where the clutch is and where the rpm's are, and where the engine load is. i've wheeled both and i didn't like wheeling the auto. most harder wheelers around here like the auto better, not me.

imo manual trans is also stronger, if it gets water in it you can just change the fluid right away, and if it does get broke, it is fixable compared to auto which is harder to fix or rebuild.
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With an auto...you can kick back low gear and drink your coffee while you're rock crawling....
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autos have more torque... i still want to to an auto to manual swap though i miss havin a clutch
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People say that with a manual you have "more control" off road...

However, that may be true because you have more gears and they are lower 1-5.. however the final drive is not quite as low as 4th gear in an auto (possibly better milage unless u upgrade tires and dont re gear)

But, personally Ive done both off road.. for Rock crawlin I honestly prefer an automatic just because I feel like i have more control with the throttle and dont have to worry about Fryin the clutch over each obsticle.

Swapin a clutch is a pain for sure. But it all comes down to personal preference.
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I have had my first jeep for 2 months and I don't regret choosing a jeep. It's bumpy and noisy but it's also lively. I don't regret chose 6M over AT. I drove auto in the past 7 years so have to re-pick up how to drive a stick. I have to pass some really slow traffic for 20-30 minutes everyday, but, driving with my 2 hands and 2 legs is actually fun. After 2 months, every day, I am eager to jump in my jeep and drive.

In my mind, a wrangler is designed to give the driver more feel of the road, so it is important and fun to get connected to your jeep while driving. And driving stick gains more connection and control how you like your jeep to run. You don't get this kind of connection from AT. This is just my personal feel.
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Having bought my TJ with a 5-speed but earlier this year converted it to an automatic, the auto wins hands-down on both on-road but especially off-road. The auto's torque converter gives 2-3X more low-end torque and it gives you what is in effect an infinitely low first gear ratio. I did a trail called Pumpkin Eater a number of times with my 5-speed and then this year with my newly installed automatic. With the 5-speed and the same 4.88 gearing and 35" tires, I had to be winched up three steep dry rock waterfalls. This year, I easily made it up those exact same three waterfalls with no assistance. The only thing different? The automatic. And look at what the vast majority of pro competitors are now running on the toughest rock crawling course... autos. The tougher the terrain, the more an automatic shines. By the way, I have been driving manuals off and on for 44 years so it's not like I don't have much experience with them.
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autos have more torque... i still want to to an auto to manual swap though i miss havin a clutch
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ahaha no one lied to me... check out the post right above you... Jerry knows his jeep stuff..
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ahaha no one lied to me... check out the post right above you... Jerry knows his jeep stuff..
I do believe that the stock auto in the OP wrangler is not the same as a 32RH TF999....
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What are you disagreeing with? That the auto's torque converter can provide 2-3X more low-end torque? 'Tis completely and unarguably true. Here's a good page that talks about it... http://auto.howstuffworks.com/torque-converter4.htm
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thanks jerry i was just standing by what you said... but wrongside name should be wronginformation now
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i'm not gonna disagree about the torque converter, and i honestly don't know enough about how that works in this scenario. i thought that is only in certain times where the torque converter is loaded up. like i said i've done both and i hated the auto. i'm stickin with manual. but my jeep is gonna be geared so low you could walk faster than its idle in its lowest range.

if the auto delivers more torque, how come serious tow vehicles, though available in auto now days (idiot proofing among other reasons), are preferred to be manual?
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if the auto delivers more torque, how come serious tow vehicles, though available in auto now days (idiot proofing among other reasons), are preferred to be manual?
I disagree that manuals are preferred for towing. at least not for all circumstances. I've been towing heavy boats and trailers since around 1972 when I bought my first boat and all of my autos did far better than any of my manuals ever did. Especially when retrieving heavy boats up steep launching ramps. The added torque from the torque converter really (!) helps in getting heavy loads moving or up a steep ramp. It's much harder to get a heavy load going with a manual unless you have a super-low granny gear. It is true you get 2-3X more low-end torque with an automatic which is why they do so well with heavy loads.
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I agree with jerry on the auto trans
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I'll only ever drive a stick. That said, the suspension of the Wrangler is so soft and flexible that quick shifting and dumping the clutch doesn't get you much of anywhere. I can totally see how an auto could allow you to modulate the torque and prevent you from falling backwards, where if you were trying to shift you might just make a mess of things.
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The tougher the terrain, the more an automatic shines.
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I can drink a beer and eat a pizza while I drive through sections where my buddies with manual trannys have some real problems. And often I can do things very easy where they have to be winched.
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from my experience when you talk to people who haul serious loads, and i'm talkin more than a 3500 dually truck, those drivers say manuals haul better and are stronger/longer lasting. my dad owned and drove semi's and dump trucks and owns a construction company. he currently tows over 20 tons, which does exceed the tow capacity, and he can do it cuz of the trans.

now in my thinking i'm also not considering a normal streetable manual. my trans will have a 4.65:1 first gear, you can't take your foot off the brake and have that gearing in an auto.

now like i said, i won't argue the facts. seems most pro competitors are running autos. its preference for me, i love stick shifts
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^oops, i meant 6.55:1 first gear, not 4.65
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I tryied out the stick today and i did great so i might be keeping her, 1st gear in low holy crap it is low,i had to put it in 3rd just to stay faster than the ants!
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from my experience when you talk to people who haul serious loads, and i'm talkin more than a 3500 dually truck, those drivers say manuals haul better and are stronger/longer lasting. my dad owned and drove semi's and dump trucks and owns a construction company. he currently tows over 20 tons, which does exceed the tow capacity, and he can do it cuz of the trans.

now in my thinking i'm also not considering a normal streetable manual. my trans will have a 4.65:1 first gear, you can't take your foot off the brake and have that gearing in an auto.

now like i said, i won't argue the facts. seems most pro competitors are running autos. its preference for me, i love stick shifts
I use to drive a lot of heavy construction equipment. Almost every truck I drove had a stick and a dual speed rear end. It's my understanding that manual transmissions offered more gears than the autos (back in the day). The biggest advantage to the manual trans and a split rear is you got 8 forward gears for heavy loads. No automatic trans even came close to that many gears.

I do not believe they ever offered a 2 speed rear with an automatic... way too complicated to automatically shift gears.

Now there's a concept..... Dual speed differentials on a Jeep..
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^i've thought about that, but the pumpkin would be too big.
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Now there's a concept..... Dual speed differentials on a Jeep..
Good concept, and been applied with great success, although not in the differentials. Toyota guys have been doubling their transfercases for years now, giving ungodly low ranged. A stock Toyota t-case runs 2.28 gears. Put two of them together and you now have a 3 speed t-case, with a compound low of XXXX(someone who knows the formula can chime in here). They also have been known to change the gears in one t-case with 4.7 gears, thus giving them a 4 speed t-case (High range 1.1, 2.28, 4.70, or 2.28+4.70 which really crawls at an ant's pace). The 203 and 205 T-cases are also a semi common double case.

The big problem I see with this on our Jeeps, which is why many use an Atlas, is the driveline length. On a Toyota, the second t-case adds about 6" to the overall t-case length. In a long wheelbase, this is not a big issue. In a Jeep, (and for a woman), six inches is a huge difference for the rear driveshaft angle and length. Hence many chose an Atlas than the cheaper route of doubling a t-case.
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Manual transmissions appear to be bad for your starters.
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Good concept, and been applied with great success, although not in the differentials. Toyota guys have been doubling their transfercases for years now, giving ungodly low ranged. A stock Toyota t-case runs 2.28 gears. Put two of them together and you now have a 3 speed t-case, with a compound low of XXXX(someone who knows the formula can chime in here). They also have been known to change the gears in one t-case with 4.7 gears, thus giving them a 4 speed t-case (High range 1.1, 2.28, 4.70, or 2.28+4.70 which really crawls at an ant's pace). The 203 and 205 T-cases are also a semi common double case.

The big problem I see with this on our Jeeps, which is why many use an Atlas, is the driveline length. On a Toyota, the second t-case adds about 6" to the overall t-case length. In a long wheelbase, this is not a big issue. In a Jeep, (and for a woman), six inches is a huge difference for the rear driveshaft angle and length. Hence many chose an Atlas than the cheaper route of doubling a t-case.
Good info...

(I'm surprised nobody chimed in on the woman reference).

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