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Old 12-01-2011, 08:35 PM   #1
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Stock Axle Shafts V.S. Aftermarket Axle Shafts?

Question is how much more durable are after market axle shafts v.s. stock axle shafts? I am getting my TJ re-geared when I get home from deployment to 4.56's and since I am re-gearing I thought about upgrading to after market axle shafts in my rear Dana 35. Reason why, is I assume when I re-gear it will restore almost back to, if not to stock performance in torque in the rear axle. So if I re-gear is it smart to upgrade to a aftermarket axle shaft's because I assume more torque would be applied to the shaft's with the 33" tires catching the end result of the torque maybe the stock wouldn't be able to handle it? Am I on the right track?

Just wondering if anyone had done the same and maybe broken an axle and then upgraded and see a difference?

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The Dana 35 has stock 27 spline shaft
Superior offers stronger 27 spline shafts,however that still leaves a weak diff carrier
Superior also has super35 kit that converts the Dana 35 strength just as high as a dana44
The super 35 kit has 30 spline axle,Detroit or web locker
4x4groupbuy.com has the kits for $1100

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Old 12-01-2011, 09:04 PM   #3
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Super 35 C-clip eliminator with shafts and locker is how I would go.
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Awesome guys appreciate it. Def gonna replace rear axle shafts. Thanks a lot.
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Be aware that the only shafts for your Dana 35 made by Superior that will really give you more real strength are in their c-clip eliminator package and that runs like $650. The only chromolly shafts for the 27 spline are made by Alloy USA, except the c-clip eliminator package shafts. All other shafts only increase the axle strength marginally.
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Thinking my best bet will be to go ahead and install a locker and get the super kit 30 spline shafts.
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I would choose the arb air locker over the Detroit,arb is selectable

Plus I hear that the Detroit locker combined with a 5speed caused shift problems,with an auto there are sweet though
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What about drive ability on road of the Detroit lockers and how much worse is it on gas mileage if any? I also read that Detroit lockers are bad in the rain and snow on road?
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Good call on the Super 35, but make sure it is from Superior. They make great stuff. I would choose the ARB over any other locker too.
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What about drive ability on road of the Detroit lockers and how much worse is it on gas mileage if any? I also read that Detroit lockers are bad in the rain and snow on road?
I run the super 35 Detroit c-clip and I love it. If you break traction in the rain or snow you just drift it. On the road you really can't tell, in the drive-thru the rear end will probably unlock for you to turn and it will click until you straighten it up. Other than that it's great. Definitely go for it. Btw no difference in gas mileage.
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Thinking my best bet will be to go ahead and install a locker and get the super kit 30 spline shafts.
I just recently got the super 35 kit and found that Superior makes 2 different axle kits, the DC35LK kit w 10 year warranty or the EV35LK kit which is lifetime warranty. Price diff is about $100.
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Old 12-02-2011, 05:19 AM   #12
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I run the super 35 Detroit c-clip and I love it. If you break traction in the rain or snow you just drift it. On the road you really can't tell, in the drive-thru the rear end will probably unlock for you to turn and it will click until you straighten it up. Other than that it's great. Definitely go for it. Btw no difference in gas mileage.
Sorry to drop out on the convo this morning but I am currently deployed and some sh*t went down so I had to run out for a min. As long as the drive ability isn't to bad then I would rather get a Detroit locker as well I have never heard of them breaking or anyone having problems with them, the only thing that may drive me towards to and E-Locker or an ARB is that my wife sometimes drives it and she hates driving it as it is now, and she can't drive, so thats the only thing that worries me about snow and rain on the rain. And on top of all of that we are getting ready to move out to Spokane WA with in the next year and if its not snowing its probably going to be raining. So does anyone know if E-Lockers are any good and maybe how reliable they are, also if anyone has had any experience with OX lockers how are they, and is the cable system really as reliable as they say?
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You can run a full time locker in the rain and snow. You just need to understand that you need to cost through turns and wait until the front and rear tires are in line before getting back on the gas. You also need to understand that climbing an icy hill with any kind of camber or a turn in it can set you up for side slip. I was stationed way north and learned to deal with a Detroit in a YJ, but I would not let anyone else drive my Jeep.
A selectable locker takes care of this, but there is a downside. When it is unlocked you have an open diff, which doesn't help in the snow. When you're locked you are running a spool, which makes the handling issues of a locker seem insignificant.
I know the sexy answer is an ARB, but think about what you are getting. IMO, it is not the best of both worlds. It is a choice between an open diff or a spool. And for a Jeep driven on icy/snowy roads neither of those are good options.
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Old 12-02-2011, 08:57 PM   #14
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I have the ARB in my TJ. I like the fact that your able to engage and disengage anytime. I drive in snow and rain, I live in Denver Co. So far so good jus sayin.
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I would choose the arb air locker over the Detroit,arb is selectable

Plus I hear that the Detroit locker combined with a 5speed caused shift problems,with an auto there are sweet though
I ran a Detroit Locker in my previous TJ with both its OE 5-speed and later an automatic that I converted it to. Probably put 90K miles on the Detroit Locker with the 5-speed and another 30K miles with the automatic. While the Detroit Locker may be a tad easier with an automatic, in no way should that be confused with a Detroit Locker being difficult or problematic with a manual transmission.

After a week or two of installing my Detroit Locker with the 5-speed manual transmission, it had taught me how it likes to be driven and after that, with my TJ being a daily driver, you could barely/rarely tell it had a Detroit Locker.

There is always a lot of hand-wringing about the Detroit Locker by those whose only experience with them is reading Jp Magazine articles or posts by non-Detroit Locker owners. However, from those who actually run them, they are a non-issue even for a daily driver.

The Detroit Locker USED to have a bad reputation but the quirks it had were designed out of it probably 18-20 years ago, when they came out with the redesigned Detroit Locker that was called the Detroit Softlocker. Since then, it has been a well behaved locker that only takes a minor change in driving habits to keep it well behaved. Today's Detroit Locker is the same locker as the Detroit Softlocker... those are simply different names for the same locker.

I now run f/r air lockers (my previous TJ was stolen last year) and would rather have my rear point-and-shoot Detroit Locker and front No-Slip locker back.
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Anyone ever use OX lockers? or E-Lockers? How are the reliability of both of those?
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FWIW, buddy of mine had the super 30 with the detroit, the detroit went bad after about 3 years of use. Getting it replaced at the time qas a pita. Keep the records of the purchase. I drove the Jeep several times on and off road and it was never an issue, his was a 5 spd.
If you can ARB's area great, I miss mine all the time.

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