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Old 04-08-2011, 01:42 AM   #1
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Stock Bumper Advise!! and is it Stong enough?

I want to add a winch to my stock TJ bumper. I want to as a hoop across as well and a set of lights. Has anyone added a winch without any problems? I also wanted to know about adding

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So I can add shackles in case of recovery. Ive been told the stock bumper is crap. I took the milk jugs off and painted it up pretty nice. I think the hoop with winch, along with recovery shackles above should have us ready if we run into trouble.

ALso, the one set (link1) it top bolt and (link2) is 4 bolt stright to the front. Does anyone have any suggestions on which is better? which is stronger? and can you show my some of you stock bumper mods. Im trying to save some cash by working with what I got so I can jack my little tj up 3-4 inches. If I go bumper I lose the cast to build up,. Im hoping someon can help me with the decision on what shackle, if winch can go on stock bumper and which shackle mount seemes stronger.

I really feel the bumper is tough, in an accident even the pretty ones are going to crinkle up like paper anyhow,,,,Anyone help please make this decision tomorrow.


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As for the D-link shackles, I don't see any difference between the two links -- did you post the right link for #2? In any case, I would not want to rely on any recovery point that mounted solely to the stock bumper.... I recommend something that attaches to the frame... I know the tow hooks that are stock on some models are bolted to the frame (same bolts holds bumper and tow hook to frame). I can't tell from the listing for link #1 if it mounts that way or not.

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The bumper could be made of cardboard and not matter.

The reason being is that a winch or tow hook is only bolted through the bumper to the frame below. The bumper itself provides none of the support for a winch or tow hooks. It is the frame underneath the bumper that provides the strength, the bumper is not part of the support at all. The bumper could even be removed entirely to give an indication of its importance.
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u cant pull anything with a stock bumper they are flimsy and weak. as for the winch, a winch plate would be bolted straight to the frame so it wouldnt matter what bumper u have as long as u dont bolt the wich to the bumper without a plate
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These are NOT suitable for a stock TJ bumper; they might be suitable for a YJ/CJ bumper, being that those bumpers are made of MUCH stouter steel, IF the d-ring mounts are placed in front of the frame horns, but even then I'd prefer a Dixon-Bate Tow Jaw (pic from expeditionexchange's site)


Truly, though, I find the regular tow hook with the springy keeper thing to work just fine. You can slip a shackle over it, you can attach a strap directly to it, and they're cheap. Throw on some Grade 8 hardware and you're golden.

As for the hoop, both Ramsey and Warn offer hoops that bolt to their winch plates. Beyond that, JCROffroad and others have bolt-on hoops, but they aren't going to work with many types of winch plate, and may require some tweaking or customization (grinder, welder, paint) to make them work.

Ultimately, it sounds like you DON'T want a stock bumper with a winch mount, but want a bumper with a hoop and shackle mounts and other "upgrades." So instead of doing the bolt-on thing piecemeal and still ending up with an inferior setup, why not just buy a bumper that does what you want it to do and call it good?

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