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Old 06-05-2010, 06:44 AM   #1
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Stupid Question...

Please forgive a stupid question from a new guy.

I finally got my Brand New '05 TJ a month ago and I couldn't be happier! I couldn't have designed a better purchase for myself, on a variety of levels. For example, my Black, '05 Jeep is a fitting companion to my Black, '05 Harley! I'm a happy guy...!

The question is about shifting...my Lovely Bride and I are in disagreement about something. I find 1st gear a little low, and I feel it's there to address really slow starting-off needs in 2 -or- 4-wheel high, not for general driving, so I'm inclined to start off in 2nd...2nd gear FEELS right to me and -- with 50-plus years of driving behind me and 12+ years of driving trucks for a living -- I feel my instincts are correct.

My Lovely Bride says I'm going to burn out the clutch (something I've NEVER done!) with this technique and I should use 1st gear.

I'm open to your opinions...thanks.

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Old 06-05-2010, 06:52 AM   #2
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Same with my wife. I wanted to skip first base and go straight to second. Oh wait wrong answer! Plenty of members here start in second and alot of times so do I. Nobodies posted a problem yet as far as I remember.

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97 tj 197k on the clock, stock clutch, start from second all the time in traffic (if I'm first in line I start from 1st for the little extra jump because this 2.5 is slooooow)
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Welcome to the club, like you I have been driving for only the last 43 years and having been in the truck leasing business and things similiar. I personally feel using 1st gear to start off (I shift into 2nd at 15 mph) allowed me to drive my YJ to 200K on the original clutch before retireing it for my TJ. As you know the less you slip the clutch the longer it is going to last. The same for downshifting to slow down. I am sure you will get a lot of comments on this and everyone has an opinion and personal experience.

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I've only been driving for 10 years and only a stick for a year. So my opinion might be taken with a grain, or 2 o salt. But I start in 2nd all the time because I feel that I'm only in 1st gear for 10 seconds before shifting. So I skip it, but I've been worried lately if it's causing a problem...

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Please forgive a stupid question from a new guy.

I finally got my Brand New '05 TJ a month ago and I couldn't be happier! I couldn't have designed a better purchase for myself, on a variety of levels. For example, my Black, '05 Jeep is a fitting companion to my Black, '05 Harley! I'm a happy guy...!

The question is about shifting...my Lovely Bride and I are in disagreement about something. I find 1st gear a little low, and I feel it's there to address really slow starting-off needs in 2 -or- 4-wheel high, not for general driving, so I'm inclined to start off in 2nd...2nd gear FEELS right to me and -- with 50-plus years of driving behind me and 12+ years of driving trucks for a living -- I feel my instincts are correct.

My Lovely Bride says I'm going to burn out the clutch (something I've NEVER done!) with this technique and I should use 1st gear.

I'm open to your opinions...thanks.
I drive a Peterbilt my self and of course you can take off in higher gears if bob tail even 5th gear but this is a jeep! Mine will lug down if I try to take off in 2 maybe it's just my jeep!
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Starting out in any gear would only be "bad" for the clutch if you find yourself having to apply the gas and slowly letting the clutch out.

You can "start" in 5th gear. Just get up to speed, put it in N and then clutch, shift into 5th. Same concept.

I personally hardly ever use 1st unless I'm offroad or taking off up hill from a dead stop. 2nd gear starts are normal for me and likely most people.
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I drive a Peterbilt my self and of course you can take off in higher gears if bob tail even 5th gear but this is a jeep! Mine will lug down if I try to take off in 2 maybe it's just my jeep!
PETE!! Nice rig! I found a website recently that'll make you a Pickup truck using a Peterbilt cab!! Saw one in a parking lot in South Carolina recently that piqued my interest. Looked like this...

I have no trouble with the engine lugging while taking off in 2nd, and in fact it feels quite normal to me. It's 1st gear that feels excessively low, so I'm inclined to ignore it for normal starts.
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I always start Jeeps off in second unless they have big tires, or I'm on a hill. It won't hurt anything.

My first vehicle was a stick. I'd start in second, skip gears, I never damaged anything. It's all about wheel speed vs. Engine speed. 2nd is enough gear to get a jeep going without red line. Wheels are stopped, RPM's are low enough, and 2nd gets it going. It's perfectly ok IMO.
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1st as the nv3550 and the 6spd later (starting in 2000) has an internal ring dampner that will wear out over time by not starting in 1st from a dead stop. This dampner is in line with the slave valve and if by not shifting in the correct order will cause pre-tension on the slave which could result in wear to the transmission piston overload sensor. When that happens the inlet capasiter will release and not enough fluid will be applied to the collar on the clutch and well, by then its too late... you guessed it.. bad muffler bearings.
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pete!! Nice rig! I found a website recently that'll make you a pickup truck using a peterbilt cab!! Saw one in a parking lot in south carolina recently that piqued my interest. Looked like this...

i have no trouble with the engine lugging while taking off in 2nd, and in fact it feels quite normal to me. It's 1st gear that feels excessively low, so i'm inclined to ignore it for normal starts.
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1st as the nv3550 and the 6spd later (starting in 2000) has an internal ring dampner that will wear out over time by not starting in 1st from a dead stop. This dampner is in line with the slave valve and if by not shifting in the correct order will cause pre-tension on the slave which could result in wear to the transmission piston overload sensor. When that happens the inlet capasiter will release and not enough fluid will be applied to the collar on the clutch and well, by then its too late... you guessed it.. bad muffler bearings.
Yep. Sucks when that happens. That's why now I always start off in 1st gear. Then I go to second, third, fourth, etc. Here is the best price I've found on MBs in case your one of those "gotta start out in second gear and not listen to my wife" types and it goes bad. http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main...products_id=10



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^In the "review" section of that site, there's a guy "complaining" that he can't buy the muffler bearing grease on the site!

Almost peed myself!!
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