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Old 03-04-2014, 08:08 PM   #1
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Sub zero temp problems.

Hey I have an 04 4.0 5 speed wrangler X and in sub zero cold temps it's hard to move the shifter and was really hard to put in gear the first few times. Is this normal or do I need to fix something?

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Old 03-04-2014, 08:24 PM   #2
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The factory fills our manual transmissions with a conventional gear lube which doesn't flow as well in extremely cold weather as a full synthetic gear lube does.

A very good full synthetic gear lube that would probably help is Redline MTL which is available within just a few days from www.summitracing.com. One more decent full synthetic is Royal Purple Synchromax 70W-80 which would also probably help. My first choice would be the Redline MTL.

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Old 03-04-2014, 08:43 PM   #3
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Man your rubber shift boot is freezing. Bet it's easy to shift when the interior gets warm? Remove it or buy a leather one from redlinegoods.com. I used to have to wait for the inside of mine to get warm before I could leave work when I was stationed in Alaska until I got the leather boot. Became a common recommendation to new jeepers getting stationed there. It's not the fluid.
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Or, now hear me out, you could move on down here to Florida. No more sub zero-ness.
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Or, now hear me out, you could move on down here to Florida. No more sub zero-ness.
I thought about it! Was in my friends I deployed withs wedding there. Girls in bikinis in February! And old people single car off-roading Cadillacs next to the highway. Was a blast. Can't wait to head there again.
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Lmao Florida sounds so good and thanks for the help! It does get easier when it gets warmer. It was -17 the other day in northern Michigan which made it really bad lol. Still prolly not close to Alaska tho
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When I read the part where you said "-17" i felt like a pain in my bones. Ouch. As far as the old people in caddys, you seriously have to dodge them half the time, they have no clue whats going on and they cant see but they keep on drivin.
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No problem. Worse I seen was -65. -20 was normal. -40 couple weeks out of the year. I highly recommend redlinegoods.com shift boot. They make and ship from Poland. Don't order their arm rest cover it fits like crap and is useless. Same quality leather though.
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Regardless of Mangoon's claim your stiff shifting has nothing to do with your current conventional gear lube at -17 degrees, I'll simply disagree and recommend, again, you go with a synthetic gear lube that is better suited for such extreme cold. It doesn't take much knowledge or experience to know that synthetics flow significantly better in extreme cold conditions like -17. Which is the only time I bother to recommend synthetics. I'm no stranger to -45 conditions & few would not recommend synthetics for such conditions.
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Regardless of Jerry's claim. He lives in California and don't like me. I know exactly what is wrong from experience in cold weather.

Edit Jerry you had a jeep in -45?
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I feel like there is going to be beef in here.... ~slowly clicks the back button~
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Regardless of Jerry's claim. He lives in California and don't like me. I know exactly what is wrong from experience in cold weather.
You don't know me or my history which includes having lived for years in Grand Forks and Bismark North Dakota. Yep I do get tired of your often ridiculous claims and often simply bad advice that show your inexperience... like claiming his conventional gear lube has nothing to do with poor shifting characteristics in his -17 degree conditions.

It doesn't take much to know that synthetic lubricants are recommended in such conditions. The fact of the matter is a conventional gear lube thicken in extreme conditions & it can't circulate well enough until it warms up. Synthetics have much better flow abilities in cold conditions and can easily flow and lubricate much better in extreme cold. Stick a quart of each into your freezer & then see how well they pour once they are at or below zero & you'll see a dramatic difference.

Kendrick, to test out Mangoon's claim, simply remove your shift boot & see how much doing that helps. I know that shift boots can get stiff in cold conditions but to claim his conventional gear lube cannot part of the problem is simply naive.
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Of note I use synthetic in my diffs and t case my 2000 5 speed's owners manual says use nothing but Mopar fluid in the transmission which I do. Experienced same problem along with many new guys getting shipped to Alaska. All were the boot. Figured I would add my fluids that worked great in -65. My boot did to because I had the leather one by that winter. Actually saved money as I didn't have to let my interior warm up before risking popping out of gear. Edit please post how well removing the boot works lol

Edit 2. Experience 14 years owning a 5 speed wrangler. 6 years in Alaska. Since you got personal. I help a lot of people here and don't give bad advice like you claim. Once was wrong about a radio and corrected myself. You like to bash products I like and when I defend them, that's your bad advice comment, although I prove myself. And you get mad. As far as equipment advice since you got personal you bought all kinds of stuff you thought was great then once stolen bought different stuff and bashed old stuff. How many people did you recommend your old junk to before you started bashing it? Your not all knowing and thinking you are is a downfall. I can learn a lot. You know everything. So be it.
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In my opinion both my sense lol. I'll test them both out and see which makes a bigger difference! Lol appreciate the hell tho!
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One more thing to note... when the lube isn't flowing in uber cold conditions, that means the gears aren't being properly lubricated. The use of a synthetic gear lube can help prevent dry starts by insufficient lubrication in such conditions.

I don't generally push synthetics in temperate conditions but in extreme cold, they can make a significant improvement in lubrication.
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-40 would be nuts
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appreciate the hell tho!
Freudian slip, but a good point. Why don't you guys do your bashing in private? It does NOT help the OP or the readers.
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Freudian slip, but a good point. Why don't you guys do your bashing in private? It does NOT help the OP or the readers.
But it sure is entertaining
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Random but who cares... South Texas and cold dont mix well. It's downright miserable.
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OP i recently switcheed to MOBIL1 Full Synthetic oil in my tranny. It helped in the cold, but there are days when it is still stiff in the cold. mainly in the below 10 degrees. I popped out the stock shifter boot from the base as it was interfering with 2nd and 4th gear on cold days. What i do on frigid mornings< i leave at 0430 every morning> i start my jeep and then go back in the house to gather up my stuff. Before i leave the house i shift through all the gears. I also have 197K+ miles. It seems to help. Just my 2cents.

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