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Old 01-18-2010, 04:11 PM   #1
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ok... ill try to keep it short but iwant to explain this good. Ok we went wheelin today and had a great time... Got stuck once but no biggie. I take it easy causeI have 35" tires and really dont wanna screw anything up. Anyways I go nose down in a small ditch... nothin crazy... I back right out no prob. then I start hearing this buzzing grinding noise... almost like splines slipping... dunno how else to explain it.. I move it off the trail and look under the jeep and see smoke coming from the torque converter. Well i think its the torque converter. So I start driving it home on the street and its stuck in first gear. Then I rev it out a bit and it goes to 2nd gear. Then I stop at a light and start going butim in 2nd gear still. Got home and when I go from drive to reverse it sounds clunky. Well.... hopefully someone here has had a similar problem and wonderin how easy and expensive it is to fix... Thanks all.
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Did you get stuck in water/mud? Could have gotten some water in the tranny the tranny not to shift right

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Old 01-18-2010, 05:27 PM   #3
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Heres me getting stuck earlier in the day.
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Whoops it looks like your transmission probably ingested water via its front-mounted vent located between the transmission & engine which is a BIG problem. I would IMMEDIATELY, don't delay this, have your tranny completely and thorougly flushed & refilled with fresh ATF+4. Water inside an automatic transmission can ruin it in short order, especially because some of the friction materials inside are held on with glues that can be dissolved with water.

Don't delay this, the longer you wait the more likely the transmission will be toast. And no, simply draining & refilling the transmission won't be enough, it needs to be completely flushed to get rid of all of the old ATF & water.
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Old 01-18-2010, 05:38 PM   #5
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happy you saw this tonight jerry... I was hopin to hear from ya. Is there anyway to stop this from happening again??? A reputable oil change shop should be able to do this no?? If not whats the procedure to do this correctly??
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looked on google... looks like you disconnect to trans. line coming from the radiator and just let it spill into the pan... I guess I should add some new stuff while this is happening to keep the cycle going till the old stuff is out... I would imagine the color would change somewhat..... Any other tips.... just let me know... Thanks
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P.S. I did notice slow acceleration n the trails after the water incident... Seemed like I had to really get on the gas to get it moving......if that helps.
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The future fix is to extend your vent lines and run them so water can't get in them easily.

I ran mine UP into engine bay and then looped them back down for about 1ft. It can still breathe but would be a PITA to suck water UP 1ft of hose and then back down 5 more feet to the tranny. Did this with trans/t-case and both axles. Haven't had water yet and sunk it to the windows.
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Thanks Bouncy... I dont even know where these lines are lol... Guess ill find out tomorrow.
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Google your trans. Look in the Images area. Vent for a AW4 tranny is on top. For that one, it was easier to get a double barbed hose coupler. Put two clamps on it...extend the hose to where I needed to be.

t-case and axles I put in brand new hoses and extended them to my mounting point. Pics couldn't even come close to showing all the hose.
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sounds like a serious bit of work.... Ill get on it tho... Thanks again
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The 32RH (as rday78 has) transmission's vent is on the face of the transmission where it bolts to the engine, you can't get to it without dropping the transmission. The normal vent gets sealed up & then the top of the transmission housing is drilled & tapped so a vent hose can be added on top.
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Yea jerry.... I saw the picture of the vent hole in another post somewhere... Looks like that is going to just be a shortcoming of the jeep because I dont see me pulling the trans. just to cover up a hole. Kinda dissapointing. I read another one of you posts concerning water in the auto trans. Looks like it can take alot of fluid to get it cleaned up... Should I just limp it over to a shop and have them do a proper flush on it???
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A shop performing a thorough tranny flush is your best bet. And take it to a reputable shop, a Jiffy Lube not being in that august group.
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Ill be on the horn tomorrow... hope this works... ill keep ya posted... Thanks for your time tho.
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Jerry, hope I'm not hijacking this post but after reading through the responses I need to know what other automatics have the problem with the poorly placed vent? I have a 2003 Rubicon with the 42RLE. Is it one of the affected ones.
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You're in good shape 03 RUBI, your 42RLE's transmission has a remoted vent with a rubber hose leading from it up into the engine compartment to keep it out of the water.
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Same with him what about a 2000 4cyl Auto? I'm not sure of the tranny.
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For ANYONE wanting to know what transmission they have.....

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/tj-t...ecs-26347.html
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Same with him what about a 2000 4cyl Auto? I'm not sure of the tranny.

30rh - 1997-2002
* 3 speed automatic
* Used with 4 cyl models
* 23 spline output
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1st - 2.74
2nd - 1.54
3rd - 1.00
Rev - 2.20
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Same with him what about a 2000 4cyl Auto? I'm not sure of the tranny.
Your 30RH transmission has its vent in the same front location as rday78's so yes, it is vulnerable to having water enter the transmission if you drive through deep enough water.
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The future fix is to extend your vent lines and run them so water can't get in them easily.

I ran mine UP into engine bay and then looped them back down for about 1ft. It can still breathe but would be a PITA to suck water UP 1ft of hose and then back down 5 more feet to the tranny. Did this with trans/t-case and both axles. Haven't had water yet and sunk it to the windows.
could you post some pics?
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thank god you guys know so much about jeeps. would i have problems? ive got the NV3550. it rains a lot here so any kind of problems that involve water i wanna learn about them and how to prevent damage from happening.
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Well..... shes in the shop this morning for a tranny flush... I figured id get the coolant system flushed out too while im at it... Hope this works.....
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Thanks! I'd like pictures too of how to run the tubing to practically "waterproof" the tranny.
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Its really unfortunate that there really is nothing I can do for mine without droppin the trans. out
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Here's a good thread on moving the vent... Relocating Auto Vent
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K.... just got a call from the shop and they said they did the flush and it still doesnt shift outta first...... I guess its time to find a tranny shop
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Perhaps you can find a used 32RH by shopping the usual places like your local automotive recycling centers, eBay, Craigslist, etc. That's what I installed into my TJ when I did the conversion from the OE 5-speed to the automatic, a used 32RH I bought locally.
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yea... i spoke to a shop and they said anywhere from 1700-1900 for a rebuild installed... Im gunna look for one around town.... How about changing to a manual trans??? Is changing a trans maybe something I could accomplish myself??? Im handy but never been in something like this before..

Just paid $4000 for the truck... I feel another 2g is not really worth it
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Switching to a stick would be a costly, more complex, and time consuming job, and a mistake IMHO. Personally I would just install a used 32RH, $1700-1900 is ridiculous to have one rebuilt and installed... sounds like a price that AAMCO would try to rip you off with.

I paid a total of only $800 for my used but excellent condition 32RH but that included all the parts I needed to make the conversion from my 5-speed to the automatic like a new radiator, coolant lines, auto shifter & cable, etc. Swapping the transmission is not a major job, it can easily be done in a 5-6 hours without rushing it. The only special tool I would recommend is a tranny jack you can get from Harbor Freight Tools for $60 like I used.

The transmission you want would be described possibly as a 32RH, auto from a 1997 to 2002 Wrangler Sport, or just that it came from a '07-'02 WRangler with the 4.0L engine.

Look in Craigslist, eBay, and of course all of the various For Sale sections of the many Jeep oriented forums and you'll find one.

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