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Old 04-29-2011, 09:30 PM   #31
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I've been looking at power options for when my 4.0 goes south. I was looking at a 5.3 lsi swap but lots of expense and modifications. They are supposed to get good mileage though and if I had unlimited funds would go that route. I just started looking at a Titan stroker that makes almost 300 hp and one even more. Same block so everything would move over. Mileage may be worse but really not a major concern. Check out their 4.9 stroker. Titan Monster Jeep Stroker Forged 4.9 - $3,895.00 : Titan Engines, Jeep Strokers Remanufactured Engines Engine Kits
i'd do this. better than an ls1. costs about 20% of an ls1.

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I spent some time looking at that stroker since I posted and can't find anything positive on the Titan brand. Great option and concept but like so many things...proof is in the pudding. Still looking.

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what about cruising on the highway? seems like a time it would shut down.

found some Dodge 318's and 360's remanufactured for less then $900, probably can find the tranny for it also. Or could the 42RLE handle either of those motors just fine?

REMEMBER: my budget is 7-10K....any other motors yall think i could do a swap with with that budget?
Doesn't shut down when cruising, only when the engine isn't under a load, as I described. I wish it did, but the dash display tells me when its on 4 and 8.
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i think 5.3 or ls1 or dodge 318/360.

cause i cant find anything positive of the titan brand either and the guy even said not to do it if im lifted the way i am and prob will give worse gas mileage
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what else would i need on top of this? besides motor mounts? 2003 5.3 Vortec W/ 4L60E Trans 130k Wiring ECM & More | eBay
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Your going to spend 5k for better gas mileage?
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Old 04-30-2011, 02:08 PM   #37
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what else would i need on top of this? besides motor mounts? 2003 5.3 Vortec W/ 4L60E Trans 130k Wiring ECM & More | eBay
The cheby uses a drive by wire, so you need the electronic pedal assembly. You will also need new gages and will need to flash the pcm to disable the vats.

What year is your jeep?
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what else would i need on top of this? besides motor mounts? 2003 5.3 Vortec W/ 4L60E Trans 130k Wiring ECM & More | eBay
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doesnt seem like much more i need when i read novak. I need an adaptor to my transfer case....motor mounts....flash the pcm which i found a guy selling motor/tranny/pcm/wiring harness that will reflash it if i buy it to whatever specs my jeep is.

and hendog no im not "spending" 5k....cause jeep is 15500 got 20K from my truck so not really spending much.

and rda616 it is a 2005
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well just did alot of reading and what not on novak....looks like for about $3500, i cant get everything i need in parts, and for $2400 i can get engine/tranny/ecu reprogrammed. So about $6000 in all the parts. Now im wondering how much it would take in labor to get this done....
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Did u include a new radiator, exhaust, ac system, power steering setup, alternator, fuel system, belts, hoses, brackets, driveshafts, maybe steering shaft, cooling fan, and many other items I'm forgetting to mention? That's all part of those miscellaneous expenses I was referring too. They can easily double the price of an install. Labor is going to run u about 30 hours or more. My shop is $95 an hour, and I'm guessing on the labor, could run 50 to 100 hours if someone ends up replacing everything (minus the frame, axles and body). Lets not forget the interface between ur OE instrument cluster and a different manufacturer's PCM.
Then again, going with an all mechanical system (such as a 4bt, 47rh, and np241dld) alleviates the complication of needing to rewire everything. Just another thought.
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Breakdown of what i did. $2400 for LS1 Engine/Tranny/Wiring Harness/PCM repgrogrammed to 5.13 gears and 40" tires.

Other Parts:
Novak Motor Mounts- $168
4l60E Tran Adaptor- $548
Rear Tran Mount- $39
E-Fan- $220
Radiator- $554
AC Pump- $300
Alternator- $350
Power Steering Pump- $150
Power Dist Center-
Headers- ~$180
Exhaust- ~$250
T-Case Link- $174
TOTAL: $2933

Unpriced Items:
Belts
Hosing
GM Electric Peddle Drive By Wire Assembly
Brackets

So with those added in I estimated $3500.

Novak says my Fuel Pump is fine for a LS1 swap since mine is a 2005 and is a native ~60psi
For the Instrument cluster, Novak says "This consists of applying source voltage to the Jeep unit and then feeding the varying (oil pressure, water temp, voltage, etc.) signals into it to be processed and multiplexed to the original gauge panel."

Labor rates here are about $75 an hour everywhere Ive ever shopped. I plan on pulling the 4.0L and tranny and what not out before I take jeep to shop. And assembling everything before hand. I was guessing around 30-40 hours.

Nailhead, could you elaborate a little more on your suggestion of 4BT/47rh/np241dld? As in what all i would need for that so i can price that out? Also what do you think the labor would run being all mechanical?
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For the 4bt swap, u need 4 wires to make it run. Power to the starter, power to the starter solenoid, ground to the battery, and a switched power wire to the fuel shut off solen
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Supercharged 4.6 sounds nice to me lol. So option 1&2
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For the 4bt swap, u need 4 wires to make it run. Power to the starter, power to the starter solenoid, ground to the battery, and a switched power wire to the fuel shut off solen
Nailhead, well that covers that much to make it run. But i still need motor mounts, and tranny mounts. Then wouldnt i need new driveshafts to hook up to the new transfer case? Then i would need a e-fan still, radiator, intercooler, exhaust....basically wouldnt i need everything i need for the ls1 swap and end up paying more? I mean im not doubting you at all, just seems that i would need all the same things. If this swap can be done cheaper i will 100% do it because id much rather have a diesel for the power and fuel economy.

97wrangler, yeah sounded good to me too, until i talked to the guys there, and they said to get that motor and supercharge it it would be near 10 grand. And that my fuel economy wouldnt be as good as if i were to spend the time and money on a V8 swap instead.
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An intercooler isn't needed, that would be a performance upgrade. For some reason, most of my post was cut off.
Any engine swap will require a new exhaust. But if u don't mind it loud, a single 4" pipe out the back and a couple of hangers will take care of that.
The motor/trans mounts will require some fabbing to make work, but the engine u source might come with it.
That's kinda the key to making this an affordable engine swap. Source an engine that has things like a p/s pump, alt, turbo, fan, mounts and so on. Any mount that bolts onto the front or back or the 6bt will bolt onto the 4bt. So finding ur trans adapter and ac bracket are easy enough.
U can set up ur transfer case to sit in the same position it is now, so u wouldn't have to replace the entire driveshaft, maybe just the yoke.
Ur radiator might actually work, just gotta drive it and see.
Ur fuel system is the hard part. U gotta add a return line and external regulator. But u would need to do that with a 5.3L too, I think.
Any engine swap is not without it's complications. I guess the point I'm trying to make is by eliminating complicated wiring and engine management systems, the easier it is to diagnosing problems when u turn the key and nothing happens.
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alright i see everything your saying now. Do you believe it would be a cheaper easier install to do the 4BT? saying i sourced the right motor?
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The jeep in my avatar got 16 on 38s with a 347 and a non-overdrive 4 speed. I bet you could get that with a 302 out of a late 90s explorer easy.

wow I just saw your budget....I plan on building an entire jeep for 10K this year
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Take ur time, source the right parts at the right price, and u could come out with a really nice rig and plenty of money left over for high performance goodies. I told u, if u gave me 7k I could do the whole thing for u and pocket a nice profit for myself. I could certainly use the extra 3k too as a bonus. My biggest issue is running it by my boss. The trick is, take ur time to source the parts and plan a realistic miscellaneous budget.
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Well i will have about 7-10K So say I give you 8K....you can get all the parts, and complete the project for me? including getting it running? haha.

I like the combo of the 4BT, 47rh and np241dld.....two other questions though.
1- do you think the 47rh or the th400 is a better choice? (which is easier/cheaper) im guessing the 47rh since its a dodge tranny for the 4bt and 6bt and bolts right up and can find it with the motor most likely
2- whats the difference between the np241dld and np241dhd?
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4BT or 6BT for the torque and range on one tank of diesel.
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241dhd has a wider chain and sprockets then the ld. If you have that much money to spend do the hemi and be done with it! Funny my 5.9 makes as much tq as that 5.3 and cost me $1200.00 total to swap in to my 98. Then I got another $600.00 back when I sold my old 4.0 and ax15. Best $600.00 I have spent on my tj yet!
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what i read was dld was better to use for this swap cause its lighter weight and what not.

how did you do a 5.3 swap for 1200?! whats your gearing/lift/tires and gas mileage?
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I did a 5.9 swap for $1200.00, not a 5.3. The 5.3 is way more expensive a swap and for about the same money you spend on a 5.3 you can have a hemi!
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well then how did you do a 5.9 swap for 1200! haha
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Ur right, the 47rh will be an easier swap compared to the th400. Plus u get a lock up torque converter and overdrive. I know some bread trucks equipped with the 4bt came with th400's, and there is nothing wrong with that trans, but I figured since gas mileage was a concern, that the before mentioned attributes of the 47rh would be beneficial. Then u can sell ur th400 and the adapter plate for some good loot and recoup some of ur investment.
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Ill prob just hunt for them seperate (feel free to help haha)

so again for about 7-8K, i can get all the parts needed and you to install it?
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I got my engine at a you pull it type jy for $100.00 and the transmission as well. Fabricated my own transmission mount, got my radiator off ebay for $230.00, motor mounts from advance adapters and spliced my own harness. Because it was all chrysler my gages all worked. I didn't have a skim key to worry about with the ram pcm, so no reflashing to pay for. The pedal assembly and factort auto shifter work with the dodge parts . It's cheaper because you can use so many factory parts off your jeep and the donor. Other parts you need you can find at the jy off any 93-98 v8 zj.
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I'll do it for u. If u can source the hard parts (engine, trans, t-case), I'll get the rest for u.

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