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Old 03-12-2012, 03:34 PM   #1
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Suspension. BDS and FOX

Almost pulled the trigger on my new suspension today but decided to wait and do more research. I was set on getting Savvy springs and Fox shocks but after a lot of research and the shipping rates from CA to FL is crazy from Savvy, i decided that BDS springs with their Fox shocks would be nice too because most people say the springs dont matter as much...and their warranty covers spring sag.

BDS 3 inch springs
BDS/FOX shocks
JKS Front adjustable trackbar (OGS126 i believe)--I have done my research and I know the Currie one is really nice BUT again the shipping is so expensive that the JKS saves me alot and most people say its nice it just needs to be set up right.
JKS rear adjustable (OGS153) Do I need a bracket AND the bar??
JKS 1.25 BL
Browndog MML
RE rear sway bar links
Bumpstop Extensions-maybe JKS?

Now, that's what I'm ordering right away. Rokmen arms and an SYE/CV are coming, dont worry. Thanks as always guys!!

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you getting rokmen arms all around?
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you getting rokmen arms all around?
I'm getting the rear uppers and lowers, then will finish getting the rest.
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whats the FOX shocks part numbers? I was looking at replacing my old RE shocks
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whats the FOX shocks part numbers? I was looking at replacing my old RE shocks
98224965 for front. and 98224980 for the rear
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The only part I can tell you about is the rear track bar. I have a jks, they do not require an additional bracket.
Everything else sounds good.
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The only part I can tell you about is the rear track bar. I have a jks, they do not require an additional bracket.
Everything else sounds good.
It does, unless you want it to bind on the stock bracket, robbing droop and causing it to crack over time...

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It does, unless you want it to bind on the stock bracket, robbing droop and causing it to crack over time...
Great...another thing I have to take a look at now.
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It does, unless you want it to bind on the stock bracket, robbing droop and causing it to crack over time...

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Great...another thing I have to take a look at now.
SO I need the bracket and the bar?? I was just planning on reinforcing the stock bracket. As for the front, the JKS is okay for a 3inch and proper bumpstops? Thats what i thought at least.
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Almost pulled the trigger on my new suspension today but decided to wait and do more research. I was set on getting Savvy springs and Fox shocks but after a lot of research and the shipping rates from CA to FL is crazy from Savvy, i decided that BDS springs with their Fox shocks would be nice too because most people say the springs dont matter as much...and their warranty covers spring sag.

BDS 3 inch springs
BDS/FOX shocks
JKS Front adjustable trackbar (OGS126 i believe)--I have done my research and I know the Currie one is really nice BUT again the shipping is so expensive that the JKS saves me alot and most people say its nice it just needs to be set up right.
JKS rear adjustable (OGS153) Do I need a bracket AND the bar??
JKS 1.25 BL
Browndog MML
RE rear sway bar links
Bumpstop Extensions-maybe JKS?

Now, that's what I'm ordering right away. Rokmen arms and an SYE/CV are coming, dont worry. Thanks as always guys!!
I have that JKS rear adjustable track bar. It's hold up the wall in my garage. Like mudb8's picture shown above, it bound up on the bracket. So I added a relocation bracket, but that caused the JKS bar to hit the frame at the gas tank mount (which is common for aftermarket rear TB's).

So I actually had to fabricate my own rear track bar. I used to my stock rear track bar and a Rubicon Express bar I bought off craigslist. I used an oxy-acet torch to bend the stock bar to fit around the frame mount, cut the bushing end off the stock bar, cut the heim end off the RE bar, then ground the OD down on the stock bar so that the heim end would fit over it...and my friend TIG welded it together.

If you're not willing to go to those lengths to get a rear track bar that fits, then I'd suggest buying the Currie model from Savvy, because it's been designed to clear the frame. I would have bought the Currie rear track bar from Savvy, but it wasn't available when I had my rear TB problems. Same for the front - buy the Currie TJJ or TJS model from Savvy. The front bar will require 2" front bumpstop extensions to avoid contact with the diff cover.

So what if the shipping is more expensive. That small difference is a whole lot cheaper than finding out you bought stuff that doesn't work, and you need buy a whole new round of components. Do it right, spend your money once.

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SO I need the bracket and the bar?? I was just planning on reinforcing the stock bracket. As for the front, the JKS is okay for a 3inch and proper bumpstops? Thats what i thought at least.
You can get around needing the relocation bracket by cutting the stock bracket off the axle and welding something better in it's place, like RE's rear track bar bracket. Otherwise, you need the relocation bracket. Again, I'd suggest the Currie TJS or TJJ model from Savvy in front....but yes, if you insist, the JKS "new style" will fit with 2" front bumpstop extensions...
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I have that JKS rear adjustable track bar. It's hold up the wall in my garage. Like mudb8's picture shown above, it bound up on the bracket. So I added a relocation bracket, but that caused the JKS bar to hit the frame at the gas tank mount (which is common for aftermarket rear TB's).

So I actually had to fabricate my own rear track bar. I used to my stock rear track bar and a Rubicon Express bar I bought off craigslist. I used an oxy-acet torch to bend the stock bar to fit around the frame mount, cut the bushing end off the stock bar, cut the heim end off the RE bar, then ground the OD down on the stock bar so that the heim end would fit over it...and my friend TIG welded it together.

If you're not willing to go to those lengths to get a rear track bar that fits, then I'd suggest buying the Currie model from Savvy, because it's been designed to clear the frame. I would have bought the Currie rear track bar from Savvy, but it wasn't available when I had my rear TB problems. Same for the front - buy the Currie TJJ or TJS model from Savvy. The front bar will require 2" front bumpstop extensions to avoid contact with the diff cover.

So what if the shipping is more expensive. That small difference is a whole lot cheaper than finding out you bought stuff that doesn't work, and you need buy a whole new round of components. Do it right, spend your money once.



You can get around needing the relocation bracket by cutting the stock bracket off the axle and welding something better in it's place, like RE's rear track bar bracket. Otherwise, you need the relocation bracket. Again, I'd suggest the Currie TJS or TJJ model from Savvy in front....but yes, if you insist, the JKS "new style" will fit with 2" front bumpstop extensions...
the "new" jks has a flex joint instead of a johnny joint..I still havent decided about the trackbars, i know currie is preferred. BUT, my bumpstops would be determined by my tire size, shock length and track bars and springs?
3 inch springs
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would i need a 2 inch? I know you said 2 inch for trackbar
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the "new" jks has a flex joint instead of a johnny joint...
the #126 is a 2.5" Currie Johnny Joint
http://store.jksmfg.com/merchant2/me...bar_Components

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I still havent decided about the trackbars, i know currie is preferred. BUT, my bumpstops would be determined by my tire size, shock length and track bars and springs?
yes. Ideally, you want the limiting factor to be the tire size and the shocks - hopefully the same requirement to maximize travel and tires at the same time. You don't want the limiting factor to be the track bar....which is why I normally suggest keeping the stock front track bar & modifying it for 3" of lift or less.

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24.90 Extended front shock
That's great, but it tells us nothing useful. Compressed length is what is important for bumpstops.

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would i need a 2 inch? I know you said 2 inch for trackbar
2" what? are you talking about bumpstop extensions?

If so, the JKS adjustable in front will need 2" front bumpstop extensions...the JKS for the rear with the relocation bracket is north of ~3"+ extension.
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the #126 is a 2.5" Currie Johnny Joint
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yes. Ideally, you want the limiting factor to be the tire size and the shocks - hopefully the same requirement to maximize travel and tires at the same time. You don't want the limiting factor to be the track bar....which is why I normally suggest keeping the stock front track bar & modifying it for 3" of lift or less.


That's great, but it tells us nothing useful. Compressed length is what is important for bumpstops.


2" what? are you talking about bumpstop extensions?

If so, the JKS adjustable in front will need 2" front bumpstop extensions...the JKS for the rear with the relocation bracket is north of ~3"+ extension.
How would I modify the stock, my buddy has a welder so I could do that.
Sorry, didnt know that about the shocks and yes should have specified, meant bumpstop extensions.

Thank you for the info, i wasn't aware of what the limiting factor should be.
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How would I modify the stock, my buddy has a welder so I could do that.
First you need to take a look at the compressed shock length. because if the compressed shock length necessitates 2" front bumpstop extension, you might as well get a Currie TJS/TJJ model track bar, which works with 2" front bumpstop extension anyway and avoid fussing with the stock bar. The caviate to that is you're only modifying the stock bar for low lifts because that's where you normally use less than 2" front bumpstop extension due to shorter shock length & trying to get more uptravel than stock.

The limiting factor is going to be whatever it is for your suspension. You need to figure that out and minimize it to where you get the uptravel you want, while still maintaining the downtravel you want. I like to shoot for a 50/50 travel ratio. I set mine up such that at 1.375" front bumpstop extension over stock, I have 5" uptravel, with an adjustable front track bar that clears using a V8 ZJ tie-rod & modified diff cover, the shocks are 3/8" from bottoming out, the tires rub the flares but are ~1/4" from contact with the steel. If I remove any bumpstop, the track bar hits the tie-rod, the tires rub and the shocks bottom out.

How: position the axle at full droop for your shocks fully extended. the stock bar is most likely going to bind either at the frame end or the axle end. on the frame end, the ball-stud will max out, on the axle end, the bar will hit the mount - watch for this as your drop the axle. You can use a shop press to put a bend in the axle end to prevent either from hitting. this will shorten the bar...so you cut it along its long straight section in the middle, sleeve it, drill some plug welds, and weld it up. you also want to weld on an 1/8" or 3/16" reinforcement plate to the axle side mount. you can drill a new hole a little bit over to center the axle as well.

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