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Old 08-11-2007, 09:30 PM   #1
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Suspension - What´s wrong with my TJ...?

hello,

before i had some spacers and the stock springs an dmy front sagged about 2".
now i have a OME HD suspoension and everybody told me that my TJ will be leveled out with this suspension.
it has a great ride, the best i ever had in a TJ, but my front is still about 1.5" lower than the rear.
do i have to install some 1"-1.5" spacers on top of the OME springs to level my TJ out?

thanks for your advice.

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that´s how my TJ looks like now with the OME suspension:


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You may have to put front spacers to bring up the front. Some company will make lifted springs that still have the front setting lower than the rear, So if you put some weight of the jeep it will not set lower than the front.

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that´s why i talked vith man OME dealer and asked them for the right setup to level the TJ out.
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Off topic but nic, your jeep is sexy as all heck get out.

Our jeeps should have a play date some day.

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TJ's even with a lift, are raked down in the front... you'll need small spacers to level it out.
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I would add in the front spacers. You talked to the guy, but is it worth the effort to send it all back after uninstalling it? Just put the spacers on and be done with it.
BTW you need bigger tires
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Old 08-11-2007, 11:11 PM   #7
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i will install the winch in 2 weeks after my holiday and then i will see how big spacers i need.

i need bigger tires?
no no no. when i full flex the tires have only about .5" until they would rub.
i drove on a 42" ramp with one tire today and all other 3 tires had contact to the ground.

in our german offroad parks you need more flex than ground clearance.
i thought about some 35s instead of my 32s, but that could kill my axles...
i´ll buy some 33x12.5x15 yokohama MTs next spring. i don´t want bigger tires.

btw. i talked to my dealer in the US. my 4.56 gears and a rear electrac are on the way to me.

@Levinoss:

i´ll be in colorado springs this november. come around and we can go wheeling together.

or if you want to make a trip to germany we´ll find a jeep for you and then you can show the germans how americans like to wheel...
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where are you measuring? If you are looking at the wheel openings then quit. Get out your tape and measure the frame.

Something else looks funky. The gap between your rocker and tube step isn't level. Measure up to the bottom of the frame on level ground and get me the measurements.
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or if you want to make a trip to germany we´ll find a jeep for you and then you can show the germans how americans like to wheel...
Muddy and topless?

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Muddy and topless?

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I thought it was torque and flow.
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mr.c: please don´t talk about my tube steps. a frend tried to bring it 2" uo after the 2" BL and it looks very ugly now.
that´s why i already ordered two of these rocker guards: http://www.quadratec.com/products/12002_7XX_PG.htm

i want that the gap between the tire and the flare is the same in the front and the rear. is that really stupid?
in the rear this gap is 9.5" big and in the fornt only 8".

i don´t know if that´s normal, but in my eyes this looks bad.
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Those guards are gonna look sick on ur rig.

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Muddy and topless?

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here in my country we don´t have problems with jeeps/girls that want to be topless...

and we love mud.
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is that really stupid?
in the rear this gap is 9.5" big and in the fornt only 8".

i don´t know if that´s normal, but in my eyes this looks bad.

Might look bad but that is how OME works. Measure your frame for me and see how far off it really is.

Here is a good picture of another wrangler. Notice the difference in gap? You need to look at something other than the distance between tire and flare.

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@ levinoss: i could only find these guards at the moment. i told my dealer to find some powdercoated guards.

@ mr.c: i know what you mean. but all my friends ask me why my jeeps front is that low.
and in the front i need more space. because when i full flex it works, but only if i drive straight on. in curves it rubs a bit.

and no, i don´t want to extend my bumpstops - until my locker is installed.
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one more problem.
i lowered the TC about 0.5" and i got no vibes.

but theres a problem with the auto tranny skidplate (in front of the TC plate) and the front driveshaft.
if the drivers side front wheel goes down while flexing the front driveshaft goes down to the auto tranny skidplate.
can i lower this plate 1-1.5" while the TC plate is lowered only for .5"?

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@ mr.c: i know what you mean. but all my friends ask me why my jeeps front is that low.
and in the front i need more space. because when i full flex it works, but only if i drive straight on. in curves it rubs a bit.

and no, i don´t want to extend my bumpstops - until my locker is installed.
Just because your friends "think" your jeep sits unlevel doesn't make it sit that way. Buck up to them and tell them how it is.

Just because you don't want to extend your bumpstops doesn't make your suspension tuned the way it should be. Extending your bumpstops means you don't tear up your jeep. If you can't get over a specific obstacle because you don't have lockers then find some wheel speed or a different way over.

You don't lose flex because your bump stops are extended.
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one more problem.
i lowered the TC about 0.5" and i got no vibes.

but theres a problem with the auto tranny skidplate (in front of the TC plate) and the front driveshaft.
if the drivers side front wheel goes down while flexing the front driveshaft goes down to the auto tranny skidplate.
can i lower this plate 1-1.5" while the TC plate is lowered only for .5"?

The tcase is hooked to the skid. Dropping the skid doesn't change the angle much. If your drive shaft is hitting the skid I'd suggest cutting the skid. Although, that's the first I've ever heard of that problem. Can you take some pictures?
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You don't lose flex because your bump stops are extended.
i don´t think so. (but i´m no expert)

one wheel on the axle goes down like before. the other wheel on the axle can´t go up like before because of the extended bumpstops.
in my opinion that´s a loose of flex
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i don´t think so. (but i´m no expert)

one wheel on the axle goes down like before. the other wheel on the axle can´t go up like before because of the extended bumpstops.
in my opinion that´s a loose of flex
Just because you moved the pivot point lower does not mean you lost flex.

Let me ask you this. If your tire articulates up into the fender and your fender stops your tire from moving farther upwards then what happened? Did your fender limit articulation?? Bump stops are as basic to suspension geometry as it gets.

Another example. I'm running 35" tires on Anya's jeep with ~ 4" of lift. Does it look to you like I lost any articulation?

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blue: TC skid
green: auto tranny skid
red: front driveshaft

the front driveshaft goes that much down that it has contact to the auto trany skid.

i noticed it today when i put in the OME spings. on the passengers side i did it without a spring compressor.
on the drivers side i wondered why tha axle didn´t came down like on the passengers side. the i saw that the front driveshaft lies on the tranny skid.

i think i´ll have to remove the tranny skid or i´ll have to cut it.
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Does it look to you like I lost any articulation?
i still have the stock CAs and trackbars. my axle can´t go that much down.

with the JKS CAs and trackbars i want to buy next spring i hope it will be much better.
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Doesent that skid plate help support the tranny?

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regardless, adjusting your bump stops will save other vital parts of your wrangler. It is a very wise suggestion that you install them properly. Even daily driving can jack up your jeep. What happens if you have to hit the ditch cause someone cut you off??
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Doesent that skid plate help support the tranny?

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no.

there´s nothing installed on that skidplate. it should only protect the auto tranny.

i´ll make some better pics on monday. today (sunday) my father has my jeep and i have his SL.
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no.

there´s nothing installed on that skidplate. it should only protect the auto tranny.

i´ll make some better pics on monday. today (sunday) my father has my jeep and i have his SL.
Are you sure? Could of sworn I read a article saying that skid plate supports the tranny?

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Are you sure? Could of sworn I read a article saying that skid plate supports the tranny?

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I don't think you are thinking about it correctly. In the states the skid does support the tranny mount. His skid, while I can't see very well from all the nastyness, doesn't look like a US skid to me
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I don't think you are thinking about it correctly. In the states the skid does support the tranny mount. His skid, while I can't see very well from all the nastyness, doesn't look like a US skid to me
Yea, its colored and threw me off. Might be different indeed.

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mr.c:

different shops in the US told me that the bumpstop extensions that come with OME susp. are only there because OME says you can install 33s with this susp. if you have a BL you dont need them.

i tried it out today without the extensions.
the stock bumpstop has contact to the axle before the tire rubs under the fender. and if i loosen the shock bolts in this position i can push the sock abou 1" more up.

i my opinion that means that the stock bumpstops are ok for the OME susp. +2" BL and my 32s.

a friend who works for a spring manufacturer said that the springs could be compressed much more before they get damaged.

so i don´t see a problem.

oh no there could be a problem. without the OME shocks (OME says thea are for up to 3" lift) the rear axle comes down about 2" more than with the shocks. does that mean that the shocks can be damaged when the axle comes down very fast? (like when driving fast over roiugh roads)
i think the OME shocks that come with that suspension are too short.
i wil try a friend bilstein 5150 next week to see if they have a better length.
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Are you sure? Could of sworn I read a article saying that skid plate supports the tranny?

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no i´m sure.

wheni installed my IMCO muffler i took off the small skidplate before i had to put some jackstands under the TC plate.

this skidplate is only conncted with two m8 screws to the TC plae and with 2 screws (like the TC plate) to the frame.

i hope to find a better skidplate that gives more ground clearance and let me get rid of this stupid auto tranny plate.

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