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Old 12-06-2007, 07:38 PM   #1
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Sway Bar Link Mount / Tie Rod Rubbing

hello,

i´ve got a new problem.
when the front axle is down the passenger side sway bar end link mount (blue circle on the pic) rubs at the tie rod (red circle on the pic).
i only can turn the steering wheel 2/3 to the right then.
on the road it´s no problem, but off the road...perhaps in some situations.

when i install some adj. CAS in january the front axle will come more to the front and then it will rub more.

what can i do to fix that problem? please help me, i´ve no idea.

thanks in advance.
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Old 12-06-2007, 08:35 PM   #2
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hmm. That stumps me. I don't know why it would be rubbing, because it shouldn't. The tie rod and link should stay the same distance apart as they fallow the axle articulating unless your drag link is bending up when you turn.

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on the pic you can see how it looks like when the TJ stands on the ground.
if the axle comes more down that both parts will rub.

i want to buy a stronger tie rod/end link next spring. perhaps this will solve my problem?
the stock tie rod is straight: http://picr.de/upload/696560.jpg
the currie tie rod is bended to the front: http://picr.de/upload/696561.jpg
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Old 12-06-2007, 08:52 PM   #4
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fix your discos, they're installed wrong; loop goes over the swaybar*



*has nothing to do with what you're asking, sorry
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Old 12-06-2007, 10:12 PM   #5
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Nico - that picture of the Currie system is upside down. The Currie unit looks exactly like a stock one. The tie rod is straight and the drag link is bent. You can tell which is which by the drag link having the small adjustment sleeve.

Can you flex it out a bit and take a picture of it happening?
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Nico,

Like tiny said, your discos are installed wrong, but that is not what is causing your problem. Can you tell what the tie rod is rubbing on? I would think that it would hang up in the disco bracket before it would hit the end of the disco itself. I just looked at mine, looks pretty close to your picture. The clearance is minimal, but I've never had any rubbing.

The amount of flexing you do or adding adj ca's should not have any real effect because everything is attached to the axle. I always disconnect when I go off-road so I may never have been in the same situation as you. The only thing I can think of is that somewhere along the line you bent something under there that is not evident in the photo.

I'm by on means a suspension expert though, hopefully Mr. Cliff can add some insight. I think I'd start by putting it up on jacks in the garage and see if I could tweak it to the point where it rubs. Doing that might give you a better clue. Good Luck!
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i can make a pic where you can see where it rubs on the weekend. the pic above is a bit older, the discos are installed right by now.

i saw that it rubs when my tj was on a lift in a friends garage. when the front axle comes down i can only turn the steering wheel to the left. when i turn it to the right about 1/2 then it rubs.

found a pic where you can see where it rubs:

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That picture shows a better description of your problem. Usually this comes from the stock setup. Your drag link has straightened out a bit from wheelin it. Your drag link should have a normal arch to it enough to get you around the axle stuff. When you straighten the drag link out it brings the steering components closer to the sway bar link. It is a simple fix but it will happen again. I usually toss them in the press, bend it out some, make up a gusset, and burn it into place to keep the drag link from bending again.

If you upgrade to the currie stuff you shouldn't have this problem.
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on my pics the tie rod is installed behind the drag link. can i install it in the front instead? then it will not rub.
i´ll do that only until i have enough money for the stronger currie steering linkage.
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on my pics the tie rod is installed behind the drag link. can i install it in the front instead? then it will not rub.
i´ll do that only until i have enough money for the stronger currie steering linkage.
The tie rod ends are tapered. The drag link has a specific taper to it that is only on one side. It will not fit on the opposite side without modification. A cheap, easy fix, is to stick a scissor style jack between the drag link and axle and pry it out. You will need to do an alignment afterwards. Usually that is the tell tale sign that your drag link is bent. If it is straightened out you will have toe out. If the drag link gets bent forward you will have toe in.
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my drag link isn´t bent. it´s straight. do you realy think that i can bent it a bit to the front with a jack? i think it will be straight again every time i was wheeling.

i found a pic with another stock steering linkage. my drag link isn´t bent like this...

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my drag link isn´t bent....


...i found a pic with another stock steering linkage. my drag link isn´t bent like this...
It should be bent. That's what I was saying earlier. Bend it out, make a gusset, and weld it into place so it doesn't bend again.
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sorry for my bad english....but what´s a gusset? do you have a pic where i can see what you mean...?
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sorry for my bad english....but what´s a gusset? do you have a pic where i can see what you mean...?
A gusset is a piece of metal designed to help strengthen a connecting joint. You would often use them in building a cage, or in suspension brackets.

What I have done before is something like this. Allowing enough space to still get your wrench in place. You can add speed holes for the pimp factor if you wish.

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Nico, I am far from knowledgeable on this but, when your jeep is on the lift your front suspension is at its fullest droop. That is forcing the darg link and tie rod to arc up and hit the disc mounting point. It will never be in this position when wheeling one wheel will always be on the ground thus keeping your tie rod down more in line and not rubbing. Unless of coarse you become airborne and turn the wheel.
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Nico, I am far from knowledgeable on this but, when your jeep is on the lift your front suspension is at its fullest droop. That is forcing the darg link and tie rod to arc up and hit the disc mounting point. It will never be in this position when wheeling one wheel will always be on the ground thus keeping your tie rod down more in line and not rubbing. Unless of coarse you become airborne and turn the wheel.
if it can happen it will happen.
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it will not happen on the road, and only in some situations off the road.
is the currie drag link bent? is it strong enough or will it become straight like my stock drag link?
i will buy it next spring. until then i have to live with the problem...
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Wouldn't the factory control arms also be pulling the axle back and be pulling that link (tie rod/drag link) up higher than nornal. He needs longer Control Arms to let the steering components to relax to a more normal position.
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it will not happen on the road, and only in some situations off the road.
is the currie drag link bent? is it strong enough or will it become straight like my stock drag link?
i will buy it next spring. until then i have to live with the problem...
I've heard you say, "I'll buy that next spring", like 10 times already. Then 2 weeks later it is on your junk.

Yes the currie unit is bent. It is beefier than the stock stuff and shouldn't bend.

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Wouldn't the factory control arms also be pulling the axle back and be pulling that link (tie rod/drag link) up higher than nornal. He needs longer Control Arms to let the steering components to relax to a more normal position.
In relation to the pitman arm, yes. In relation to the axle, no. If the axle swings backwards it would actually put more distance between the axle and DL/TR. This problem does not change with different control arms.
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I actually bent the Currie steering setup on 35's, but I only wheel in the rocks. I have also since heard that Currie changed their design a bit to keep it from happening. Mine used to rub in the same place your is nicolas.

Doing what Andy said will work, but you can also take a grinder to the inside of your sway bar mount on the axle and clearance a bit of metal out to make more room for the draglink to pass by it.
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I actually bent the Currie steering setup on 35's, but I only wheel in the rocks. I have also since heard that Currie changed their design a bit to keep it from happening. Mine used to rub in the same place your is nicolas.

Doing what Andy said will work, but you can also take a grinder to the inside of your sway bar mount on the axle and clearance a bit of metal out to make more room for the draglink to pass by it.
I'm not 100% sold on the currie stuff at all. I've watched quite a few joints get warrantied just from daily driving. I don't suggest that setup, but it is better than 95% of the crap out there.

That being said, I've seen you wheel. And we live by that motto, if it can break it will break.
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I'm not 100% sold on the currie stuff at all. I've watched quite a few joints get warrantied just from daily driving. I don't suggest that setup, but it is better than 95% of the crap out there.

That being said, I've seen you wheel. And we live by that motto, if it can break it will break.
Agreed. I only put the Currie on a few years back because it was the best at the time. Since then I have RK's original gen steering and love my solid 1.5" tie rod and 1.25" drag link.

You are so right my friend. So right.
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i don´t do any rockcrawling. here in germany theres only sand and mud in the legal offroad parks. i hope that the currie steering will be strong enough.
i don´t want to modify the stock steering linkage. when the jeep stands and i turn the steering wheel i can see how the linkage bends...

is there a better steering linkage than the currie? i didn´t find another one at 4wd.com (the only big jeep parts shop that will ship to germany)




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I've heard you say, "I'll buy that next spring", like 10 times already. Then 2 weeks later it is on your junk.
what´s wrong about putting all extra money in my "runicon"...?
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what´s wrong about putting all extra money in my "runicon"...?
Nothing. Just an observation.
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nothing?
my ex-girlfriend couldn´t believe that. i had to tell her to go because of her annoying "you like your jeep more than me" discussions...

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one more question:
i want a cheap fix for my tie rod rubbing problem.
what do you think about lifting the sway bar end link mounting points at the front axle with somethings like this? click me



do you know the measurements of such a bracket? then i could cut it on a buddies waterjet...
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Have you gotten this problem fixed? If so, how?

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