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Old 03-18-2009, 11:52 AM   #1
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That's it for me, I'm done, the Jeep goes back to the dealer for good

Thanks everyone, I appreciate all the answers and opinions, but 6 months and 2500 miles is enough for me with this Jeep.

The last straw was the rear main seal again, it is dumping oil on my garage floor....again. Twice in 2500 miles, plus the transfer case, brakes, ujoints and wheels and I am done. This Jeep is headed back to the dealer for one last ride. Looks like a Dodge Dakota is in my future.

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Thanks everyone, I appreciate all the answers and opinions, but 6 months and 2500 miles is enough for me with this Jeep.

The last straw was the rear main seal again, it is dumping oil on my garage floor....again. Twice in 2500 miles, plus the transfer case, brakes, ujoints and wheels and I am done. This Jeep is headed back to the dealer for one last ride. Looks like a Dodge Dakota is in my future.
I'm guessing you've gone to the same place every time for these repairs. If that's the case, congratulations on the Dakota. It will be a great vehicle for you.

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The worst vehicle I ever owned was a Dodge Dakota. Good Luck
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a Chrysler is the luck of the draw. do a poll and you will find 60% happy,30% annoyed, 10% if I had a gun! Had some I would swear by, had some I would swear at.
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Agreed. Dodge dakota was by far the worst truck I ever had the pleasure of dealing with. Why don't you ask a fellow wheeler if they can lend a hand.
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sorry to hear about the jeep.. oh the other hand you could not give me a dakota, perhaps one of the worst trucks next to the s10..
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sorry to hear about the jeep.. oh the other hand you could not give me a dakota, perhaps one of the worst trucks next to the s10..
Can you explain..I have owned (4) S-10s and loved all 4!!!!! I have owned one Dakota and it was a good truck but I would have just as soon been driving an S-10.As stated you have good and bad in all vehicles and opinions also differ.Now go back a few years 87 was the first year for the Dakota and 82 for the S-10.I be willing to bet there are as many 82 S-10s on the road to date as there are 87 Dakotas and I would lay money on it year for year.
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Must have got a lemon!!!

You have the most common stuff on that for the U-joints, seals, bearings, transfer case,etc Dumbfounded?!? My TJ is a 97 and has realistically 100k miles but the electrically problem says it has about 150k..... Tires one size up!!! Good luck on the Dakota... You'll be paying a mechanic instead of doing some of those yourself with that. TJ, YJ, CJ, Willys, simple and reliable with elbo greasin.......



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a Chrysler is the luck of the draw. do a poll and you will find 60% happy,30% annoyed, 10% if I had a gun! Had some I would swear by, had some I would swear at.
which means that if you buy used, more than likely, what you buy has made it past the "lemon stage" (so to speak)
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my 88 dakota is still kickin it.. great truck.. i hate the new body styles they got though..
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Can you explain..I have owned (4) S-10s and loved all 4!!!!! I have owned one Dakota and it was a good truck but I would have just as soon been driving an S-10.As stated you have good and bad in all vehicles and opinions also differ.Now go back a few years 87 was the first year for the Dakota and 82 for the S-10.I be willing to bet there are as many 82 S-10s on the road to date as there are 87 Dakotas and I would lay money on it year for year.
i'll agree with 4jeepn. s10s burn through all four ball joints, idler arm and pitman arms are always loose. front axle seals, transmission cooler lines and lower intakes are bad on every one all day long. not to mention the door hinges wear out and you can repair them all you want but the door will keep falling an inch when you open it. the third door on newer extended cabs always seizes up. i really could go on. and these are no where near as simple as the laundry list of simple crap you can come up with on a jeep.
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That's funny, I just sold my SLT Club cab 1997 Dakota for a jeep.
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I think the jeep is a tinker toy...you will have to learn to tinker on it yourself. It is a Chrysler product and we all knew that going in, but they really are pretty durable vehicles.
When a "tech" at the dealer fixes one, he is on a tight schedule and things can get screwy pretty quick. When you work on stuff yourself you can take the time to do a proper repair. As far as warranty, on anything, the dealer makes just enough to pay for the costs involved. so attention to detail is sometimes a little lax. After my new '06 TJ had a couple of minor problems and I got the speech about it being lifted or you've changed the angle between the engine and transmission by adding 1" motormounts, I knew these weren't the guys I wanted working on my Jeep.
I ended up trading for an LJ...not because of previous troubles, I just wanted the longer wheelbase. The '05 LJ I traded for has a couple more years of factory warranty...I am not even going to transfer it into my name. I'll just fix things as they happen. I wish you well with whatever you decide, but there is no other vehicle like a wrangler.
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I had a 2001 Dak - OD went out in the first 25,000 miles. Normal highway driving..... constantly had error codes. As soon as I paid it off, I sold the damn thing.
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i'll agree with 4jeepn. s10s burn through all four ball joints, idler arm and pitman arms are always loose. front axle seals, transmission cooler lines and lower intakes are bad on every one all day long. not to mention the door hinges wear out and you can repair them all you want but the door will keep falling an inch when you open it. the third door on newer extended cabs always seizes up. i really could go on. and these are no where near as simple as the laundry list of simple crap you can come up with on a jeep.
I had my 91 for over 5 years and my 04 for 3 years(others were 2WDs)and had no problems with ball joints and had after market wheels on the 91,how ever slap a set on after market wheels on a Dakota or full size Ram as far as that goes and see how long the ball joints and hub units last.I do agree with the door bushings but even there a little ingenuity(steel inserts with factory pins instead of the crappy factory brass bushings) and they will hold up 10 times longer.I searched for a year before I found the steel inserts to fit but finally did.Never had any problems with axle seals.I also agree as for the 3rd door on the newer extended cabs even with the billet style handle they still snap.But that is not a problem that door never even existed before what 95.I mean I am not arguing about it I am just tiring to prove a point that there is bad in all make and models.But don't down one just because the one and only one you have ever owned was a lemon.I have worked on both but can not say that I have seen more problems in S-10 than Dakotas or vis-versa.
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Will the dealer just take it back?
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I have two friends with Dakota's (newer body style) and one with and older one. They ALL have constant problems with their trucks. The older style Dakota has a rebuilt engine, new transmission, and the rear end is starting to make noise with 60,000mi on it.

If the Jeep isn't for you, that's cool. No vehicle is perfect for everyone, and a Wrangler is certainly more a "niche" vehicle than most. Just do yourself a favor and get something other than a Dakota. If it was me, I would stay away from Mopar period, but definitely stay away from Dakota's.
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I had my 91 for over 5 years and my 04 for 3 years(others were 2WDs)and had no problems with ball joints and had after market wheels on the 91,how ever slap a set on after market wheels on a Dakota or full size Ram as far as that goes and see how long the ball joints and hub units last.I do agree with the door bushings but even there a little ingenuity(steel inserts with factory pins instead of the crappy factory brass bushings) and they will hold up 10 times longer.I searched for a year before I found the steel inserts to fit but finally did.Never had any problems with axle seals.I also agree as for the 3rd door on the newer extended cabs even with the billet style handle they still snap.But that is not a problem that door never even existed before what 95.I mean I am not arguing about it I am just tiring to prove a point that there is bad in all make and models.But don't down one just because the one and only one you have ever owned was a lemon.I have worked on both but can not say that I have seen more problems in S-10 than Dakotas or vis-versa.

yep, all vehicles have downsides, and common problems. in these conversations i go off of what vehicles i see in my shop frequently. its amazing how a lot of things are common failures or pattern failures on certain models, the manufacturer knows its a problem, but keeps making them that way for years.

part of ball joint failure is people using quick lubes, that don't take the time to grease them.

but going by the numbers game, 98% of the s-10's i see need a ton of work. i can say the same for cherokee's and wrangelrs to, but the jeep stuff is all so simple. i make a list a page long on a jeep, and its $600, i make a page long list on an s-10 and its 2 grand.
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Oh yeah I agree with the $600 verses $2k!!! Although that $600 on the Wrangler has to be tacked onto the $4k that we have already spent on add ons. LOL I had to go and jinx myself on this subject also.I had a buddy call me before 6am this morning to let me know he dropped his blazer off at my shop because he has a popping in the front end and the universals are clanking.Go figure
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I have never been able to take my jeep to a mechanic and have them do the job i want done correctly. Not true... You must take your jeep to a mechanic that specializes in 4x4s its the only way you will get a jeep fixed properly no matter how small of a task. I was feeling lazy and decided to get my jeeps oil change at jiffy lube and they filled it about a qt short of where the oil needed to be filled up.

Basicly Jeeps require alot of personal time with you . if you cant give the jeep personal time and whore it out dont expect alot from it.
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Thanks everyone, I appreciate all the answers and opinions, but 6 months and 2500 miles is enough for me with this Jeep.

The last straw was the rear main seal again, it is dumping oil on my garage floor....again. Twice in 2500 miles, plus the transfer case, brakes, ujoints and wheels and I am done. This Jeep is headed back to the dealer for one last ride. Looks like a Dodge Dakota is in my future.

Have you looked into your state lemon laws? Laws do differ state to state. Lemon laws also apply to used vehicles in some cases. In most cases the deler is allowed a certain number of attemps to correct a problem or if the vehicle has spent a specific amount of time in the shop then they have to buy the vehicle back.

I filed in NJ on my new vehicle. It did not cost me a thing. No lawers involved. It cost chrysler a new motor at 16k miles on my 99 Durango because an inept dealer could not fix a simple oil leak (long story. the dealer said it was the main seal, which it was not but the dealer lied about doing the repairs). They had one more strike (two down) so Chrysler said to just replace the motor rather than take the chance on having to buy the vehicle.
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Sorry to hear that. Though for me it was a choice between a Dakota or a Jeep, and yep, went with the Jeep instead . Wouldn't go back, maybe get a dakota as a 2nd much later down the road, but not anytime soon.
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It is definitely luck of the draw I have owned my Jeep since it was new in 2002. We have used it to tow a small trailer across country twice, driven daily and it has 120,000 plus on the clock now and we have done very limited mechanical repairs. Just normal maintenance and stuff like blower motor resistor, and new o2 sensors. I love the Jeep and have to say it is one of the most dependable vehicles I have owned. Knock on wood. We have made it the second vehicle with the purchase of the Dodge Journey. Good luck with the Dakota, a friend has one and loves it.
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chi possiede una jeep passa metà tempo sotto di essa e metà tempo a usarla ed è per questo che io amo la jeep ciao

who it has a jeep goes half time under of be to put rigth and half time to use the jeep it and is for this that I love the jeep hello

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If you want a truck, go ford, chevy, toyota. Dodge trucks are bad. when I was a suspension mechanic a few years back we did all the suspension work/alignments for the Local dodge dealership after they got bought out by lithia. all I can say is "DAMN" it was impressive depressing how well they fell apart in so few miles.

If it were me, I'd try to get a different jeep. sounds like you have a "monday" jeep.
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who it has a jeep goes half time under of be to put rigth and half time to use the jeep it and is for this that I love the jeep hello

hmmm anyone??

I would never get another dodge but I must say...I had a 2001 dakota 4cyl. and I drove it to 120k only replacing a wheel bearing and a blower resistor. I drove it hard to....At 120K the tranny died....o well, sold it for $500 and was happy. It was a great truck but I think I got lucky cause most people I know with dakotas have a lot of trouble.
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hmmm anyone??

I would never get another dodge but I must say...I had a 2001 dakota 4cyl. and I drove it to 120k only replacing a wheel bearing and a blower resistor. I drove it hard to....At 120K the tranny died....o well, sold it for $500 and was happy. It was a great truck but I think I got lucky cause most people I know with dakotas have a lot of trouble.
What don't you get? He's saying, .5% of the time it 1/2 works hello

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I would just buy another wrangler...

But really don't get a Dakota, my buddies 99 put him into serious debt lol.

If you want another truck, (I know people hate Ford for some reason) Ford Rangers have served my family and friends well, All I did was keep up on regular maintenance and lots of oil changes and my Ranger had 275K miles when I sold it. The only major thing I had to do to it was replace the clutch.
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Sorry about the problems with your Jeep. I would look at Toyota first, then Ford. GM and Chrystler are now both owned by the US Government. The US Government has no business in business, period! Now, quality will really go down the crapper.

I have a '95 Toyota pick-up, 4X4 extended cab, 5 spd, 3.0 v6, 130,000 miles. I bought it in 2002 with 75,000. Only problem was to replace the radiator at 85,000 due to broke fitting on the top. It was my DD until I got my Jeep this summer. No problems, just general maintence. I'd buy it again! In fact, when things pick-up again, I'm going to look into a 4 door Toyota Tacoma.

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