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Old 09-16-2011, 02:59 PM   #1
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Thats it. Im buying lockers

Long story short. Help me decide. I do not want air lockers. I do DD it and yes winter time I'll probably drive in 4x4 a lot on roads. Most basic mods r in sig so point me out. Budget is not really a big problem because if I do this. I'm doing it once. It's my beater really and rather it work to it's best. Clicking and all that are no problem to me.

I'm feeling Detroit front and rear but only because it's well spoken for performance.

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thats what im replacing my rear e-locker with

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Get a LDS for the front and a detroit for the rear. They're put them in and forget about it.
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Out of curiosity, what do you have against air lockers? Their durability is well proven, and being able to turn them off pays big dividends on the street (which will be a heavy use for you per your post). Most people whine about them purely due to cost; since you said you don't have a budget cap, why rule out what may be your best all-around option?
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The only locker I've had was an Aussie in the D30 in my XJ. No problems ever. Pretty cheap too.
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Air lockers are much better than the vacuum lockers, I hear they suck!

Also you are not going to want the detroit lockers in the snow.

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X2 on the question what do you have against ARB air lockers?

I loved my last TJ's Detroit Locker but ARB lockers are ultra reliable and superb.
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Yes ARBs. If you're driving on lots of snow and ice,( I take it your way up north) on the street, then a Detroit locker is not a good choice, that locker depends upon the rear tires to both have traction while cornering to unlock, on pavement.. On snow covered or icy roads, they will stay locked when cornering, and you'll be in the ditch... I love my Japanese air lockers. If I would have had to install my own, it would have been ARBs winning out over the OX lockers... Just my 2 cents
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Well guys I guess I don't mean to sound against them just didn't wanna spend THAT much. I do understand they are the best but has to be something good to have besides? I didn't wanna go and have to build onboard air and all this. As cool and useful as it is it's my beater. What lockers other than air let me ask is good for seasonal use on snowy roads
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Quick Q are rubicon lockers air lockers?
If so, where does the air come from?
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Quick Q are rubicon lockers air lockers?
If so, where does the air come from?
Yes, at least they were originally. They changed to electric in later years, perhaps when the JK came out. For those Rubicons with air lockers, there are two compressors... one for each locker... mounted behind the transfer case just above the t-case skidplate.
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So again. Other than arb lockers what would you suggest. I just can't put 2 k into lockers right now mentally. What did the world do before air lockers is my question
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So again. Other than arb lockers what would you suggest. I just can't put 2 k into lockers right now mentally. What did the world do before air lockers is my question
ARB's air lockers have been around a long time, they were developed to eliminate the problem that automatic lockers (like the Detroit Locker) have on slick roads.

If you drive on slick roads, it is worth saving up a while longer to install an ARB Air Locker into the rear. Less expensive is another selectable locker called the Ox Locker. They work but I'm no fan of them for several reasons, mainly due to their stiff cable control system that is just not something I'd be willing to put up with.

But if you are willing to keep in mind that a rear Detroit Locker can be a real handful on an icy highway or road, and will pussy-foot it around during those types of weather conditions, go for the Detroit Locker. Or just avoid driving it when the roads are iced up if you can.
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Sounds like running something on the order of detroit truetracs f/r might be something you should look at. Or if you like another way to go is a truetrac up front and a Aussie in the rear.. The aussie behaves itself extremely well on the road, just don't hit the gas on a snowy road when in turns so it unlocks. In the end selectables are the best way to go but if you must the above does good as well just be careful when on icy/snowy roads
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OX lockers.... cable actuated. No electronics... no air.... straight aircraft cables engage and disengage via hand controls in the cab.. each axle has its own cable and control.

IF you drive in snow... you want SELECTABLE lockers. Running them open/open (everyday use) you get 1 front and 1 rear wheel to pull in 4wd.... lock them individually how you see fit when needed.... now you are back up near the ARB price....

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Old 09-16-2011, 07:25 PM   #16
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Well seems the argument to not buy arb isnpretty tuff. Soooooo if you were going to buy some arb lockers where would you suggest to buy from.
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Sounds like running something on the order of detroit truetracs f/r might be something you should look at. Or if you like another way to go is a truetrac up front and a Aussie in the rear.. The aussie behaves itself extremely well on the road, just don't hit the gas on a snowy road when in turns so it unlocks. In the end selectables are the best way to go but if you must the above does good as well just be careful when on icy/snowy roads
An Aussie in the front is fine but an Aussie in the rear would be a very bad decision, they are extremely poorly behaved when installed into the rear axle... especially on slick/icy roads. That includes the Lockright and EZ-Locker (worst of all) too.

If a rear-mounted Detroit Locker is marginal on icy streets, a rear-mounted Aussie, Lockright, or EZ-Locker would be downright horrific.
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OK ,no body seams to want to answer your ? , I do not live in the snow and ice now, but when I did , off & on over 10+ years I found open in the front and locker in the rear is the best if driven RIGHT, I would put a Spartan in the rear {$300.00} and drive like you had good sense.
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Just fir record if I drive in winter it's nothing to nuts I do use my f250 all winter. It's my highway runner to go snowmobiling and my plow truck. Jeeps just running me to work and taking out in good snow nights to go play a little ofncourse. I'm not tooting my horn but I'm talented enough to figure things out. I find it more fun for it to be hard to drive in snow! Haha. Well at least I mean knowing it's locked I will be in 4 wd in some deep snow playing why would I have it unlocked. Otherwise just driving slow to work following silly idiots in there FWD cars. And the occasional wheeling weekends of course. Just priced arb front and rears w onboard compressor an is $2300 or so. I paid $5000 for my heep. The hole selectable thing is great but come on.
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I have a detroit in the rear and even wet roads can become a challenge sometimes. I almost have to idle it around a corner at a 4 way intersection because the slightest bit of acceleration locks it up and around comes the back end. Last year in the snow while in 4hi it wasn't too bad as long as I took it VERY easy on the skinny pedal. When I first got the jeep, the rear trackbar bushings were pretty well shot so it would whip around rather sudden with not much time to react.
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Just fir record if I drive in winter it's nothing to nuts I do use my f250 all winter. It's my highway runner to go snowmobiling and my plow truck. Jeeps just running me to work and taking out in good snow nights to go play a little ofncourse. I'm not tooting my horn but I'm talented enough to figure things out. I find it more fun for it to be hard to drive in snow! Haha. Well at least I mean knowing it's locked I will be in 4 wd in some deep snow playing why would I have it unlocked. Otherwise just driving slow to work following silly idiots in there FWD cars. And the occasional wheeling weekends of course. Just priced arb front and rears w onboard compressor an is $2300 or so. I paid $5000 for my heep. The hole selectable thing is great but come on.
Sit, I shall come on, I am, as they say, a professional driver,,, 3 million miles and not a scratch,,, non-selectable lockers on snow and ice covered roads is quite simply nothing less than a death sentence. I run up to Halifax NS once a month, and snow covered or not, am running 60 to 70 mph.. Everyone up in snow country drives the same,, open diffs are the only thing a sane person would use in snow country... Playing? Lock em up and have fun...
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Out of curiosity, what do you have against air lockers? Their durability is well proven, and being able to turn them off pays big dividends on the street (which will be a heavy use for you per your post). Most people whine about them purely due to cost; since you said you don't have a budget cap, why rule out what may be your best all-around option?
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X2 on the question what do you have against ARB air lockers?

I loved my last TJ's Detroit Locker but ARB lockers are ultra reliable and superb.
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Just don't install an Aussie into the rear axle, you won't like how it behaves back there.
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Sit, I shall come on, I am, as they say, a professional driver,,, 3 million miles and not a scratch,,, non-selectable lockers on snow and ice covered roads is quite simply nothing less than a death sentence. I run up to Halifax NS once a month, and snow covered or not, am running 60 to 70 mph.. Everyone up in snow country drives the same,, open diffs are the only thing a sane person would use in snow country... Playing? Lock em up and have fun...
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Aussie Aussie Aussie! Oi Oi Oi!

(I like my ARB air lockers too. )
Deff hear a lot of talk on the Aussie

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Just don't install an Aussie into the rear axle, you won't like how it behaves back there.
Yea sounds front can be locked up which is sounding nice. So what's my rear options that would be decent come winter without arb. Ox selector any good (excepting the cable issue you didn't like earlier)
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Deff hear a lot of talk on the Aussie
I wasn't recommending the Aussie. I was chanting because I love my ARB air lockers, which are also Australian made. But the Aussie locker is a nice unit, to put in the front axle, if you never want to drive in 4x4 on a snowy road. (Or if you do, you don't mind not being able to turn.)
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Ox/ARB either one... you choose... either way... you need to buy a compressor for ARB's or the cables for OX
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So sounds like ARB or I'm just stupid not to. Where does anyone suggest buying the hole shibang. Buy a compressor + front and rear arb lockers. If I'm gonna do it let's rip the band-aid off now.

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Newbie to off roading - what is the difference between all these lockers and what you get in the Rubi which you apparently can not engage unless you are in 4L under 18mph?
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Newbie to off roading - what is the difference between all these lockers and what you get in the Rubi which you apparently can not engage unless you are in 4L under 18mph?
That's an electrical thing that can easily be bi passed to function in 4hi
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While the smart guys r on thread. How many splines is my Dana 44 on the sport. And front I guess.

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