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Old 12-03-2008, 08:15 AM   #31
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Lima,Golf "looks good"<-- for none mil.

Now go get some snow wheelin video's

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Lima,Golf "looks good"<-- for none mil.

Now go get some snow wheelin video's
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yea, might head out this afternoon if i can get some guys to go with

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Old 12-03-2008, 10:27 AM   #35
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That looks great! Glad you finally got it done.

Hey, what's all that white stuff??
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:53 AM   #36
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Looks good glad you got it done.
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Old 12-03-2008, 11:49 AM   #37
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Is that dropped Pitman arm still on? For your setup, I definitely would not have installed it. When you drive over a bump or dip in the road, do you notice any left-right steering as the front axle moves up and down? If so, that is bump steer which is being caused by the dropped Pitman arm you installed.

VERY rarely should a dropped Pitman arm be installed on a TJ.
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Old 12-03-2008, 02:57 PM   #38
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VERY rarely should a dropped Pitman arm be installed on a TJ.
Just for my clarity, I'm wondering why you would say very rarely? I have and 3 of my jeep buddies all have drop pitman arms. I've seen/heard that anything over 4-5" of lift makes one practically required. My kit came with a drop pitman (Fabtech 6" long arm).

I never tried to reconnect the steering with the stock pitman arm, so I can't compare post lift steering characteristics, so any feedback appreciated.
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Just for my clarity, I'm wondering why you would say very rarely? I have and 3 of my jeep buddies all have drop pitman arms. I've seen/heard that anything over 4-5" of lift makes one practically required. My kit came with a drop pitman (Fabtech 6" long arm).

I never tried to reconnect the steering with the stock pitman arm, so I can't compare post lift steering characteristics, so any feedback appreciated.
First, pretty much all CJs and YJs require dropped Pitman arms once a suspension lift is installed and it doesn't have to be a tall lift for them to need one. With TJs, a lot of people just assume they also need dropped Pitman arms but that isn't usually the case where a TJ is concerned.

The TJ's inverted-Y steering design uses greatly improved geometry so dropped Pitman arms are rarely needed. It really depends on the geometry between the drag link and trackbar and their requirement they be parallel to each other in order to avoid bump steer. If they are parallel, no bump steer. The less they are parallel, the more bump steer that will be present.

For example, if the upper end of the trackbar has been dropped via a dropped mounting bracket, as is the case with my RE 1610/1611 trackbar and dropped trackbar mount, then I need a dropped Pitman arm to drop the drag link a corresponding amount. That's with my RE 4.5" lift. But with my older 5.5" RockKrawler lift, I could not have installed a dropped Pitman arm with that lift without causing bump steer because that kit did not drop the upper end of the trackbar.

One big problem with those who installed dropped Pitman arms is they have no idea what bump steer is and they think its symptoms are normal for a lifted TJ. Bump steer is not normal and isn't just part of owning a lifted Jeep. Many have bump steer but they don't know they do. They just accept it without having a clue what to call it or how to fix it.

With a 6" lift, it's hard to know if you need a dropped Pitman arm or not without seeing the relationship between the drag link (which connects to the Pitman arm) and trackbar.

Are you familiar with what the symptoms of bump steer are?
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Yeah, I've had bump steer before, but with this TJ, I get a "relaxed" bump. I guess, I'd say I get a very mild turning of the wheel when one of my tires climbs, but it doesn't keep the wheel over or cause any control problems... of course, I could put the stocker pitman back on and be upset at myself, so I won't say that now.

I'll snap a pic when I get home (huh, I don't have any here with it sitting on level ground, who'd a figgered?) and see what you think. My next two projects are gears and then a currie link and tie-rod. Gears first, but I'll also want to know if the currie would tend to drive me toward or away from a dropped pitman.
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The Currie HD steering kit doesn't affect steering geometry at all so it won't affect the need or lack of need for a dropped Pitman arm.
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Wait a minute.....It's 0736L eastern time.....

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Being OPS I'm going to have to confiscate that computer now.




good thing im not in work today, haha, go guard!
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Sorry CF:

Jerry, here's a pic of my hunk...The drag and sway are not parallel...It appears that a stock pitman would make it close, if not perfect. The way to go?

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It's really hard to tell from the photo but I think you're right, that going back to the OE Pitman arm may help restore the proper angle. If you reinstall the OE Pitman arm, check the drag link connection to it afterwards for any possible binding.
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I'll try it out. Thanks Jerry!

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