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Old 01-31-2013, 01:01 PM   #31
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But if you go to a tailgate party, you have to have a tailgate. Would be more interesting to me if it had some cup holders or something built in for my beer.

or, if I didn't have to rethink a way to carry a spare tire after i install it. It's not like tires NEVER get a flat out on the trails or anything. I guess we will just drive it on the rim, the mud is soft it won't hurt it.
You would need a bumper mounted swing-out spare tire carrier.

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You would need a bumper mounted swing-out spare tire carrier.
Or the OR-Fab carrier which is not bumper mounted.

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Yeah that would work, I just dislike having to do 2 mods to make the first one functional.

3 if you count still having a stock bumper on my jeep. I'm sure i can mount or weld something to it but it doesn't lok like the strongest bumper to me.

Wait 4 mods if I still want a 3rd brake light. I've seen ways to do it.

But my point is, all of that to keep functions I want on the jeep, just so I can have a fold down tailgate.

It's kind of the same principal with this CAI business. Alone it doesn't do anything noticeable, at least in our application. Go to the lengths of heads (head if you have the straight 6), spark plugs/wires, fuel injectors, exaust, etc etc . . . . And then you start seeing the difference finally.
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I know this this is going off topic and I am not trying to push the tailgate mod. But the reality is that some people put a bigazz tire on the stock tailgate. Then eventually the tailgate/hinges get tweaked. So the drop down tailgate option offers a clean tailgate fix for the nightmare the heavy tire caused to the tailgate/tub.

My tailgate works fine as is (OEM), but if I ever tweak it, I would consider the dropdown kit.
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Best of all the worlds:

OEM swing out tailgate with tub mounted tire carrier, a place to put the Hi-Lift, gas cans, cooler, and a drop down CJ tailgate

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Best of all the worlds:

OEM swing out tailgate with tub mounted tire carrier, a place to put the Hi-Lift, gas cans, cooler, and a drop down CJ tailgate
And I thought you were going to talk about how "unrestricted" that large-diameter snorkel is!!!
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And I thought you were going to talk about how "unrestricted" that large-diameter snorkel is!!!
lmao!

thanks for reminding me! the extra power helps in the hills!
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CAI never made a difference when I put them on an F150 and a Suburban so I didn't bother with the jeep.

Drop down tailgates. Always have a fast and easy place to sit.
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you yourself admit you don't have any other basis for comparison. all the bolt on stuff you have amounts to a very minimal gain, and only at high RPMs you rarely see. for the same price you can regear and have a very noticeable difference everywhere, at every RPM. that's the point
Exactly, and real world data is what I would go off of not someone's opinion or assumption about a product that they have never used themselves. I also wouldn't have bought the system that's on my heep but since its there I will leave it, no harm no foul. Besides I doubt I would get much for it, then again some sucker may jump on the offer and I could put the money towards other upgrades like a re-gear and 33"s.

By the way my Jeep never sees any high RPM, I drive it like a granny.
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I know this this is going off topic and I am not trying to push the tailgate mod. But the reality is that some people put a bigazz tire on the stock tailgate. Then eventually the tailgate/hinges get tweaked. So the drop down tailgate option offers a clean tailgate fix for the nightmare the heavy tire caused to the tailgate/tub.

My tailgate works fine as is (OEM), but if I ever tweak it, I would consider the dropdown kit.
I don't know what you are considering a big tire, but my wife's 01 has had a 35" tire on the rear gate on the OEM carrier since it was new. The gate opens, closes and works as well today as it did when it was new. It's all in how you do what you do.

For the record, new hinges offer just as clean of a tailgate fix if you don't know how to do what you do and screw it up.
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...By the way my Jeep never sees any high RPM, I drive it like a granny.
Your engine will carbon up if you continue to drive it like that. Carbon builds up inside the combustion chambers when driven like that which will eventually cause pinging & detonation. At least on an occasional basis, rev your engine hard once in a while to help keep it clean inside. Corvette mechanics are regularly faced with that issue on the big block models where the owners are afraid to get on them hard on occasion. Really.
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There is an idiot born every minute just waiting to eat up the manufactures BS dyno charts and fork over cash.


Anybody that goes to court for a lawsuit over a <$400 intake has never been to court, or has any idea of the cost for a case like this. They'd be far better off calling the MFG and asking for a refund. They also say "typical gains" and your car is not "typical". So unless you wanted to dyno 20 different jeeps with their intake, you dont have a case.


See my first statement.

I did a ton of pulls on my jeep with my dyno and didn't see many gains. It's really easy to "cook" a dyno chart. If I posted this chart without the background there would be sheeple racing to buy the intake.
Wait a second, am I reading this right? You made more HP across the entire RPM range and a max of 10.16 more HP, and 6.6 more ft lbs of torque? And the only modification was CAI? That's pretty impressive if you ask me. Bang for buck that's pretty good.
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Wait a second, am I reading this right? You made more HP across the entire RPM range and a max of 10.16 more HP, and 6.6 more ft lbs of torque? And the only modification was CAI? That's pretty impressive if you ask me. Bang for buck that's pretty good.
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Wait a second, am I reading this right?
No, you were not reading, only looking at the dyno chart. Rush off and buy one.
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Your engine will carbon up if you continue to drive it like that. Carbon builds up inside the combustion chambers when driven like that which will eventually cause pinging & detonation. At least on an occasional basis, rev your engine hard once in a while to help keep it clean inside. Corvette mechanics are regularly faced with that issue on the big block models where the owners are afraid to get on them hard on occasion. Really.
I highly doubt that the newer vettes with LS motors face "Loading Up"
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That chart made me dizzy, so I took off the squiggly lines. I guess I can't read because after I did that, it still said the biggest gains were 13 ft lb at 4600 rpm and 11 hp at 4500 rpm. It also said max tq went from 139 ft lb to 149 ft lb and max HP went from 178 to 185. I guess I am missing something. Is it a legit dyno sheet or not?
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By the way, those Camaro's and Mustangs can believe they get huge gains all they want. They aren't getting any more gains from a so called CAI than they would get from a drop in K&N filter. I had a JLT True Cold Air Kit on my Mustang and maybe gained 3 HP over the K&N it replaced. Most gains you get from those kits is from getting air into the engine more efficiently not colder. A lot of stock air tubes are corrogated. CAI tubes are smooth so the air is smoothed out. The JLT I had, moved the MAF to the fender also to put it before any bends in the tube. A lot of thinking goes into some of these kits. Then you have the ones on EBay with the metal tubes and the filters that are in the middle of the hot engine bay. Metal heatsoaks so why would you call that a CAI? Because people buy them.
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That chart made me dizzy, so I took off the squiggly lines. I guess I can't read because after I did that, it still said the biggest gains were 13 ft lb at 4600 rpm and 11 hp at 4500 rpm. It also said max tq went from 139 ft lb to 149 ft lb and max HP went from 178 to 185. I guess I am missing something. Is it a legit dyno sheet or not?
Read the entire thread to see the details and why you can't always believe a dyno chart.
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Ok I read it ans still can't see why I shouldn't believe dyno charts. Is it because they just picked the lines that best showed an increase or am I missing something? Yes, I'm dumb to this right now.
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CAIs are only part of the equation guys.

They work and work good but there are other things you need to do too.

If you buy a CAI and want the most out of it you need to also consider an aftermarket mass airflow sensor and or a tuner to make sure your stock computer doesn't compensate for the additional air and mess up the air/fuel mixture. With more air in you need to get more air out which requires a proper exhaust system which includes manifold/headers pipe/catylitic converter and muffler.

You can't just pick these parts out of a catalog and expect them all to work together, it's literally a science.

So, to make it clear, CAIs DO work however on an engine like the 4.0 you will see minimal returns do to the life cycle of the engine. Over the decades of service the engineers really did good at refining it so you will have to invest ALOT of money on a full system to get noticeable improvements in HP and TQ.

I will also add that most aftermarket CAIs are poorly designed. To be a CAI the system needs to pull air in from outside of the engine bay otherwise you are installing a hot air intake.
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I had a CAI , but put the stock back on cause i wasn't happy with the filtration the CAI was providing off road. . .sucked in too much dust when i go gravel road ridin
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If you buy a CAI and want the most out of it you need to also consider an aftermarket mass airflow sensor and or a tuner to make sure your stock computer doesn't compensate for the additional air and mess up the air/fuel mixture. With more air in you need to get more air out which requires a proper exhaust system which includes manifold/headers pipe/catylitic converter and muffler.
Yeah, do you have a good source for aftermarket MAF's for the 4.0?

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Ok I read it ans still can't see why I shouldn't believe dyno charts. Is it because they just picked the lines that best showed an increase or am I missing something? Yes, I'm dumb to this right now.
Re-read that thread carefully and notice that I made multiple changes between the 2 charts. Multiple pulls, pick the lowest, then multiple pulls for the change and pick the highest. Look at the averages and SDs to see the real story.
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Yeah, do you have a good source for aftermarket MAF's for the 4.0?

If anybody has a 4.0L maf it will be these guys.
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Re-read that thread carefully and notice that I made multiple changes between the 2 charts. Multiple pulls, pick the lowest, then multiple pulls for the change and pick the highest. Look at the averages and SDs to see the real story.


If anybody has a 4.0L maf it will be these guys.
What guys? The 4.0L does not have a MAF.
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What guys? The 4.0L does not have a MAF.
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A MAF for the 4.0L would indeed be a rare, unusual, and hard to find auto part.
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I wonder if using a CAI system with a paper filter would be better than using a k&n? Except for deep water, would it be better than the stock box?
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I wonder if using a CAI system with a paper filter would be better than using a k&n? Except for deep water, would it be better than the stock box?
I used an Amsoil EA air filter to replace my airaid filter. Check them out and their filtration performance. They filter the air better than paper and gauze, hold more, and are easily cleaned. They make tons of sizes too.
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If you buy a CAI and want the most out of it you need to also consider an aftermarket mass airflow sensor and or a tuner to make sure your stock computer doesn't compensate for the additional air and mess up the air/fuel mixture. With more air in you need to get more air out which requires a proper exhaust system which includes manifold/headers pipe/catylitic converter and muffler.

You can't just pick these parts out of a catalog and expect them all to work together, it's literally a science.

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Sorry but you are way off.

As laughed at above, This engine does not have a mass air sensor. It is a Speed Density system with a MAP sensor (totally different)

You are not pulling in any additional air. (A forced induction turbo or supercharger forces in more air) You engine is an air pump. The cylinders draw in the same volume of air no matter what the filter is.
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But if these people stop buying CAI's my stock in fraud will go down and may need to go back to full time employment.

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