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Old 01-15-2010, 11:31 AM   #1
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Thinking about NOT lifting my Jeep

I've asked a few questions about spring spacer lifts, but now I'm thinking about not doing the lift, but replacing my 31" A/T tires with some more aggressive looking 31" M/T tires. A few months ago, I bought Cragar 8's with 4" backspacing which really gives it a wider stance. I really don't have a need for more height clearance. I go looking for a mud hole now and then, but have no intention of "stump jumpin" or rock climbin.
Anyone have pics of their jeeps on a stock suspension with 31" mud terrains?

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Old 01-15-2010, 12:21 PM   #2
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this is my (previous) '01 TJ with 31x10.5x15 ProComp Extreme's on Mt sidewinders with stock suspension.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:43 PM   #3
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For what it's worth:

A Jeep set up like Kilroy's there is capable of any of the scenic back roads and passes in Colorado, and 90+ percent of the trails. It's capable of a LOT of the stuff in Moab, especially any of the trails that actually go anywhere. It's capable of doing the Rubicon Trail (although you might take a couple bypasses).

For example, Upper Helldorado is probably not a good idea, but it's just a short little loop on private property. Potato Salad Hill is just a big rock in the middle of a parking lot.

But the White Rim Trail is 90 miles of fantastic arches and cliffs and scenery. And you could do that with no problems.

I'm sure the same is true for Oklahoma.
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Sorry no pictures, as my Jeep is at the body shop to repair rollover damage. I was thinking/looking at lifting the Jeep 2-4". After the rollover, I've changed my mind about a lift. I run 31's, and haven't ran into any situation needing a lift or bigger tires.
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Old 01-15-2010, 01:17 PM   #5
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I guess I'm just after the.... what is that called, a "MALL CRAWLER LOOK"?
I've been looking at all different brands of M/T tires. The tires that look the best to me are the BFG, Pro Comp, and obviously the Good Year tires. This is a daily driver so getting some good street wear is a plus. Road noise, I could care less. (IT'S A JEEP WITH MUD TIRES, OF COURSE IT'S GONNA MAKE SOME NOISE!!!)
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Old 01-15-2010, 01:19 PM   #7
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31 X 10.5 R16 Goodyear MT/R's. Stock Suspension on my 05 TJ
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:29 PM   #8
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This thread has been very helpful, especially Geoff's comments above. Been reading the thread for a while, and wondering if I should l lift my jeep, mostly just in envy because everybody else lifts theirs! (Jeep envy). However, I don't rock crawl, and I don't even mud much ... just want to be able to drive "the scenic back roads" and as Geoff said, "any of the trails that actually go anywhere." I think bigger tires in my future (when these wear out some, since they were put on by the dealer I bought the jeep from and they are not even 6 mos old yet) but probably no lift. Thanks for the tips!!
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:52 PM   #9
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You're on the right track. I removed my ugly 3" BL and went down to 31x10.50s but I added a JKS 1.25" BL because my MTs need just a bit more room to fully articulate up front when going through some nasty rutted places. Look at the photos of stock clearance with 31s. Just a taste too close for my comfort. Keep your path realistic and use those legendary Jeeper driver skills and you wont need a monster Jeep to enjoy off-roading. I do like the look of a jacked up Jeep but it's not right for my kind of trails.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:58 PM   #10
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Of you all like little adventures and are planning on sticking with Stock suspension or a 2" BB you may want to invest that $ in a winch. Heck even if you are going to lift 3" or more. with a winch you can pull yourself over anything!
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Old 01-15-2010, 03:07 PM   #11
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I'm thinkin' about that $400 Mile Marker in my latest Quadratec catalogue around income tax refund time. My buddy suggested a cheap ATV winch that fits into the reciever hitch for a little tug but I'm going for a stronger pull if needed. I can't go for the big dollar Warns no more than I would,if ever, need one.
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I think 31" tires raise the axle 1/2" higher than 30's. the advantage is a wider tire will not sink in soft dirt and mud as easily as a narrower tire.

Am I correct about the tire diameter?

Also, I think ealier Rubicons used 31" tires with stronger springs that gave the Rubicons some lift. I think used Rubicon springs are occasionally sold on Craigslist!
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Old 01-15-2010, 04:29 PM   #13
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I keep mine stock since it's my dd and I do 100 highway miles a day
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Old 01-15-2010, 06:41 PM   #14
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My suspension will remain stock for now as well. I'm looking forward to some 31 KM2's tho once the stock rim protectors wear out. I do have a JKS 1.24 BL, and 1" MM lift already installed. They were needed to accommodate the Rokmen fuel tank skid. As others have said, invest in a winch, mine should be here Monday with a nice new Mercenary bumper
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Old 01-15-2010, 11:02 PM   #15
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this is my (previous) '01 TJ with 31x10.5x15 ProComp Extreme's on Mt sidewinders with stock suspension.
Do you happen to know the offset on your wheels? I like the Sidebiters...

Oh, and T-bone, what wheels did you have stock? I think I'm about to decide that you have the right idea.... Lifting my Jeep with my gears is gonna be a pain, and it's my DD, so I don't wanna muck it up...
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It's been said before but not in this thread...so I'll repeat it. The amount of lift you have has nothing to do with your gears. Unless you lift it to the point where you need to increase tire size so it doesn't look goofy.
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It's been said before but not in this thread...so I'll repeat it. The amount of lift you have has nothing to do with your gears. Unless you lift it to the point where you need to increase tire size so it doesn't look goofy.
Right, and thanks for pointing that out. But yeah, I am limited in tire size by my gears, therefore, for me at least, there's no need to lift it.... I mean it'd be cool to lift it some, but only IF I could have bigger tires...


Thanks, I knew what I meant, but others don't always read my mind very well...
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Old 01-16-2010, 12:51 AM   #18
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Last year when I bought my '04 TJ I was all into 35s and big lift and lots of mods. Today, not so much. It came with 31" BFG ATs. I have done a bit oa wheeling and the only thing that has slowed my down has been a lack of traction, not ground clearance. So....

I have installed a cage for protection and a CB for communication. I am now looking to install and wire some nice lights for evening drives, front and rear lockers for traction and see if I even want a lift.
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Last year when I bought my '04 TJ I was all into 35s and big lift and lots of mods. Today, not so much. It came with 31" BFG ATs. I have done a bit oa wheeling and the only thing that has slowed my down has been a lack of traction, not ground clearance. So....

I have installed a cage for protection and a CB for communication. I am now looking to install and wire some nice lights for evening drives, front and rear lockers for traction and see if I even want a lift.
Shoot...screw the lockers. Just get a winch. lol
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Old 01-16-2010, 04:56 AM   #20
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Not too big into lifting for street Jeeps like my 97.Like the lower center of gravity that stock gives you in the turns.Just my thoughts.
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"MALL CRAWLER"
I like that term, I will be keeping mine stock with BFG A/Ts 31X10.5 and I am fabing a brush guard with front bumper receiver to mount my new detachable 8K winch on when I feel I might need it.
I grew up in Sapulpa, you Bixby boys got several corn fields you can go muddin in! Wave a hand down there for me!
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My next TJ will be a Rubicon kept at stock height. When I wheeled my rubi stock, I was always getting hung up on the shovel. My next one will have a tummy tuck and If I want larger tires, I will do a highline or tubes and a 33" tire vs. the stock 31".

After getting in and out of a lifted Jeep everyday, I am starting to appreciate a stock height Jeep.
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"MALL CRAWLER"
I like that term, I will be keeping mine stock with BFG A/Ts 31X10.5 and I am fabing a brush guard with front bumper receiver to mount my new detachable 8K winch on when I feel I might need it.
I grew up in Sapulpa, you Bixby boys got several corn fields you can go muddin in! Wave a hand down there for me!
LOL....yes we do have ourselves some corn fields and the Corn Festival....Bixby kinda looks like Nebraksa with more trees and a few more hills. Garden spot of Oklahoma!!! I used to cruise Sapulpa on the weekends!! Had a blast! I grew up and graduated from Broken Arrow. My wife is from Bixby, and she got to decide where we settled down.
Stock is not a bad thing and I have never had my jeep stuck. I just want a "tougher look" without alot of mods.
I'll wave a hand around down here for you.
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Do you happen to know the offset on your wheels? I like the Sidebiters...

Oh, and T-bone, what wheels did you have stock? I think I'm about to decide that you have the right idea.... Lifting my Jeep with my gears is gonna be a pain, and it's my DD, so I don't wanna muck it up...
I'm running Cragar softs with 4" backspacing. Really pushed out my tires from the fender wells, and gave it a much wider looking stance. That's why I'm wanting some M/T tires.....I think it will really increase the "aggressive" look.
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Thanks for this thread, it now makes me feel a little better about my Jeep staying stock. I need to save to buy a house, which to me is more important than making my Jeep higher. A set of 31 MT's in the future will be the next investment.
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I'm heading back to ATs myself after these 33 muddies give up the ghost. All we have is the jeep and a 65 f250 to drive, so it's getting sort of expensive. Unlimited has no problem wheeling on ATs, so, I'll be good to go I figure.
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I hear mixed versions about MT's in the rain, aside of a bit more road noise are they that bad?
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I'm running Cragar softs with 4" backspacing. Really pushed out my tires from the fender wells, and gave it a much wider looking stance. That's why I'm wanting some M/T tires.....I think it will really increase the "aggressive" look.
What were your stock wheels? I have Canyons now and wonder how soft 8's will differ in offset.
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No complaints about rain ops and the noise is a little higher pitched (tighter block weave)and more of a background, than the BFG KM's were

It's a little noisier at 28 psi (normal, bigger footprint) than it is at 35 psi, now, for my trip back to Nevada

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