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Old 02-07-2014, 03:19 PM   #31
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I'll always own Jeep! You've never owned a vehicle with a better community, very knowledgable forum (there are a few bad apples) A more capable and fun thing to be in..... We wave at each other because we understand! You won't be upset if you: Research and read on here. DO NOT purchase without posting what you're looking at....yr, pics etc. Don't ever expect great mpg and caddillac quietness. Do expect fun, people wanting to talk to you, always saying they have always wanted on, Jeepers to wave, wanting to do mods, going offroading, making it your own....and of course smiling. Jeep is the best thing I've driven....and I've driven $100k V12's....and somehow enjoy my ride home in my jeep better. Edited: Also if $$ allows I love my LJ (longer version of the TJ 2004-6. And another for Automatic....but really don't care as long as its a Jeep Wrangler.


This is what I'm looking at, it's priced at 13,995 but they said they would do 11,995. It's an 05. Good deal or bad?
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Eh? 32RH has a lockup torque converter. I've had my TJ for a week, but it does 75-80 just fine.
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Huh? I've had mine up to a bit over 90 and routinely over 70. So not sure where that came from.
I stand corrected. The older auto tj's don't have Lock up converters and suck.

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Newbie....
My personal opinion:
I wanted a Jeep for around 8-10 years and I finally got my first Jeep in May of 12.
It was a 2000 TJ that needed some TLC for $6000. Loved it....Later found some hidden rust on the frame had to get rid of it. A few months later I was able to find a better Jeep (Had a little more $ now) and picked up a 2005 LJ Impact Orange 150k for 9k. The LJ rides better, fits as my DD better because: more leg room, more storage. Almost everything else is the same.

Here was some advice that made a huge difference to me.
If you plan on owning this Jeep Long-term and want to build it (33 or Bigger) (not saying you can't with another Jeep) find a stock TJ or LJ with the Dana 44 rear end.
It can save you money later on and is the more preferred rear end. The nice thing is all LJ's will have this and I believe all Rubicons (tj's or lj's) and most Sahara TJ's will have this rear end as well.
By buying a stock unmolested Jeep you get to start from scratch...and really make it your own and it is less likely to have been mistreated. I'm not against any aftermarket tops, bumpers, or wheels and tires but for the money your spending you can get a sweet stock rubicon and have a good starting point.

Sorry for the rant.......
here's the real question...
what do you want the jeep for. dd, trails etc
what is your budget?
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:08 PM   #34
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Look man, just because you don't trick out your jeep, doesn't mean you can bash on others who do.
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Newbie.... My personal opinion: I wanted a Jeep for around 8-10 years and I finally got my first Jeep in May of 12. It was a 2000 TJ that needed some TLC for $6000. Loved it....Later found some hidden rust on the frame had to get rid of it. A few months later I was able to find a better Jeep (Had a little more $ now) and picked up a 2005 LJ Impact Orange 150k for 9k. The LJ rides better, fits as my DD better because: more leg room, more storage. Almost everything else is the same. Here was some advice that made a huge difference to me. If you plan on owning this Jeep Long-term and want to build it (33 or Bigger) (not saying you can't with another Jeep) find a stock TJ or LJ with the Dana 44 rear end. It can save you money later on and is the more preferred rear end. The nice thing is all LJ's will have this and I believe all Rubicons (tj's or lj's) and most Sahara TJ's will have this rear end as well. By buying a stock unmolested Jeep you get to start from scratch...and really make it your own and it is less likely to have been mistreated. I'm not against any aftermarket tops, bumpers, or wheels and tires but for the money your spending you can get a sweet stock rubicon and have a good starting point. Sorry for the rant....... here's the real question... what do you want the jeep for. dd, trails etc what is your budget?
I'm gonna get for DD and light trails and mudding at the deer lease
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Look man, just because you don't trick out your jeep, doesn't mean you can bash on others who do.

Not what I was doing at all. I spent a lot of time on here and JF prior to getting my first jeep. And to me the best advice I got was buy one stock because I'll be the one building it. Not some PO who bolted on every cheap add one and lift kit and in some cases can be left with a Jeep that may not be the better Jeep but yeah has Lift w/ 35 and 4cyl......sorry if you felt bashed but....I'm 100% for building up a Jeep. Lack of funds pal is the only reason mine doesn't look like this.....The Spider LJ - Page 9 - American Expedition Vehicles - Product Forums
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I'm gonna get for DD and light trails and mudding at the deer lease
Really you can get any Jeep then. Stock 4cyl with a 5spd all the way to the top. I've found mine to be pretty capable in the stock form....only messed with it on a few trails and at the Sheriffs Jeep-fest.
Hopefully you didn't take my post the wrong way.
All I was saying (if your looking to spend 10K plus) is you can get a great bone stock Jeep and maybe use some of that cash at some items you know you want already.

Best bet is to post a few Jeeps that are in your area on here and see what some opinions are. They (people on here) helped me make a lot of decisions.
Get what you want and what will make you happy.....
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Look man, just because you don't trick out your jeep, doesn't mean you can bash on others who do.
Your Jeep turns tricks ? how much for a night! I'm down!
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Not what I was doing at all. I spent a lot of time on here and JF prior to getting my first jeep. And to me the best advice I got was buy one stock because I'll be the one building it. Not some PO who bolted on every cheap add one and lift kit and in some cases can be left with a Jeep that may not be the better Jeep but yeah has Lift w/ 35 and 4cyl......sorry if you felt bashed but....I'm 100% for building up a Jeep. Lack of funds pal is the only reason mine doesn't look like this.....The Spider LJ - Page 9 - American Expedition Vehicles - Product Forums
Woops, forgot sarcasm doesn't translate to the internet very well.
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I have had 2 jeeps and loved them both... An 03 and my current, an 01. Like said above, you'll give up some creature comforts but honestly at the end of the day it won't matter a bit. Bc when you're cruising down the road, topless, no doors, radio cranked. Nothing else in the world matters. They are easy to work on and very reliable if you take care of them.
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MY TJ is strictly a recreational vehicle. May be 2000 miles a year. The top is permanently off and it is garaged during winter. I use it as a "bar hopper" even though I don't ever go to bars. Forget highway driving. Especially with the top off.
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I have had 2 jeeps and loved them both... An 03 and my current, an 01. Like said above, you'll give up some creature comforts but honestly at the end of the day it won't matter a bit. Bc when you're cruising down the road, topless, no doors, radio cranked. Nothing else in the world matters. They are easy to work on and very reliable if you take care of them.
Were they daily drivers?
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MY TJ is strictly a recreational vehicle. May be 2000 miles a year. The top is permanently off and it is garaged during winter. I use it as a "bar hopper" even though I don't ever go to bars. Forget highway driving. Especially with the top off.
But you're missing the best part...
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Were they daily drivers?
Yes both were/are daily drivers and were/are what we take long trips in. This August we will be driving over 1700 miles to go drive the trails in Colorado... Topless the whole way there
It's just a feeling you can't beat. If I didn't trust my jeep completely I wouldn't take it that far. It's an 01' with over 158,000 miles on it.
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This is what I'm looking at, it's priced at 13,995 but they said they would do 11,995. It's an 05. Good deal or bad?

For what you stated your TJ is going to be used for I would continue to look. Based only on the very limited info you posted, I would say this TJ is a maybe just a tad over-priced but not too bad, however it appears to have been modified and for your needs I would continue to search for one that is stock. If you have not gone out and looked at and driven at least 6-10 TJ's then you really are not going to be informed enough to spot a good deal. It took me 7 months and I looked at 20+ TJ's before finding the right one. There are great deals out there on really nice TJ's but you have to be patient and do the research and leg work, it will pay off. I'd pass on this one.
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drive the variations....
4cyl 5spd
4cyl auto
6cyl 5spd
6cyl auto
A Rubi
A LJ
then drive what you like out of those in a stock and modified versions.

You really should drive at least 5+ 10+ is better
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I have a 98 TJ and have found it exceedingly easy to work on. And I knew NOTHING about vehicles prior to buying my jeep. What I have found is that google, youtube, and this forum can get you through almost any repair. And if I can do it ANYONE can. Honestly, now when things need fixing I kind of get excited. Buy one.
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I have a 98 TJ and have found it exceedingly easy to work on. And I knew NOTHING about vehicles prior to buying my jeep. What I have found is that google, youtube, and this forum can get you through almost any repair. And if I can do it ANYONE can. Honestly, now when things need fixing I kind of get excited. Buy one.
Did I write this? I am the same way. Couldn't fix crap before but thanks to the people on this forum it has given me so much more confidence in doing repairs
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For what you stated your TJ is going to be used for I would continue to look. Based only on the very limited info you posted, I would say this TJ is a maybe just a tad over-priced but not too bad, however it appears to have been modified and for your needs I would continue to search for one that is stock. If you have not gone out and looked at and driven at least 6-10 TJ's then you really are not going to be informed enough to spot a good deal. It took me 7 months and I looked at 20+ TJ's before finding the right one. There are great deals out there on really nice TJ's but you have to be patient and do the research and leg work, it will pay off. I'd pass on this one.
The only mod it has are the tires. The guy kept in his garage. He only took it to the lake a few times. His main car was a Honda. He sold it to the dealership on a trade in for a truck cause he was having a kid. 11,995 is the lowest they'd do. That's what I'm looking for exactly. But if I can hold out for something exactly like that with low miles cheaper I'll do it lol
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^wheels, tires, and bumper is what I see as mods and my bet is there are more, but like you said, hold out for something with lower miles might be the way to go but 82,000 on a 4.0L TJ is not really very high mileage.
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^wheels, tires, and bumper is what I see as mods and my bet is there are more, but like you said, hold out for something with lower miles might be the way to go but 82,000 on a 4.0L TJ is not really very high mileage.

I test drove it and it was pretty damn nice. It was very smooth. It idled perfectly. The check engine light was on but the salesman said that the mechanic said it was something minor but he can't remember exactly what it was... Any ideas on what it could be?
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Your check engine light comes on anytime there is something wrong with your emissions equipment. Hence the reason why you can't pass inspection with a check engine light on.

It could be a number of things. If you're serious about buying it, pull the code and check out what the code is for then tell the guy to get it fixed.

Plus, if it's as minor as he makes it out to be, tell him to get it fixed.
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Your check engine light comes on anytime there is something wrong with your emissions equipment. Hence the reason why you can't pass inspection with a check engine light on. It could be a number of things. If you're serious about buying it, pull the code and check out what the code is for then tell the guy to get it fixed. Plus, if it's as minor as he makes it out to be, tell him to get it fixed.
I told him too, plus once he gets it fixed and I'm testing it out on the day I wanna buy it I'll run it up to oriellys or auto zone and have them run the test to make sure it's fixed and didn't just cut the bulb out or disconnect the battery. I understand now why jeep has such a following... That thing was a blast to drive!
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Put down 11k if they say no leave.....play hardball. There are more out there.
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Put down 11k if they say no leave.....play hardball. There are more out there.

If I put down 11k, why would they say no? That's the full amount almost
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I told him too, plus once he gets it fixed and I'm testing it out on the day I wanna buy it I'll run it up to oriellys or auto zone and have them run the test to make sure it's fixed and didn't just cut the bulb out or disconnect the battery. I understand now why jeep has such a following... That thing was a blast to drive!
A blast to drive
We told you didn't we lol.
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A blast to drive We told you didn't we lol.
As soon as tax returns come it's mine lol
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Awesome! Have a great time and if you forget to wave at other wranglers, we'll find you. Haha
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My last two TJ Jeeps were daily drivers, both automatics. The current Rubicon has 146,000+ miles. I bought it new in 06'. Stock vehicle. I drive it everywhere. I do some light trail riding, plus I pull a 16' boat regularly. Probably the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned. Besides normal maintenance(including front rotors) the only other parts replaced was the steering stabilizer, the sway bar end link bushings and radiator cap. This vehicle and my 99' Sahara have never been to any dealership/auto shop since they rolled off the lot. They are SO EASY to work on!!!!

Make sure you look for RUST on the frame. People try to cover it up with paint and spray on bed liner. The check engine light may be as simple as a bad or loose gas cap. Good Luck!!!!



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If I put down 11k, why would they say no? That's the full amount almost
13995 is the full amount
11995 is what you said they would do
11000 is what I said to offer ( or even less in cash!)

That 995 can go a long way making that Jeep your own.

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