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Old 05-14-2008, 11:24 PM   #1
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Tires??

Ok, so I realize this topic probably makes it's rounds very frequently, but I looked back 4 pages and didnt see it... So I thought it was safe to bring it up.

I've been having to argue very hard to the hubby why, in this time of obnoxious gas prices, I should keep my 13 mpg Bradley Tank. I've managed to win it so far argueing that it's much cheaper to fix my car than his 93 Lexus SC400 (can we say money pit?). But.. the time has come to get new tires. Mine are about to retire. I have three with no tread and one (suprisingly) with decent tread and huge cuts in the sidewalls from my inability to park near a curb. I currently have Coopers (some random sort of all terrains, nothing special). And I was looking at Toyos with a little more tread than the current ones had when they were new. Then, hubby says, "what about mud tires?"

Stunned as I was that he would set aside his constant shock over my gas consumption and actually consider something that would make it worse, eventually I asked why. His answer was that it would make my jeep look better. When I stopped laughing at him, I realized I had the opportunity to actually get mud tires with his approval. Wow. And he actually thinks it was HIS idea. You know, cuz i haven't begged for them constantly since I bought it.

So, now I have no clue what to look for. I haven't bother to research them, since he never went for the idea. I don't go mudding very often. There's not a lot of places here for it (legally). And, come the summer, I'm going to be doing a lot of highway driving. So, even though they look better, I'm thinking it might not be a great idea. But, I'd be interested to hear your opinions. If I went with beefy tires, what should I get and what am I looking at paying?

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You didn't mention the sizes you'd be looking at...(kinda helps w/ the decisions)

Would recommend:
- BFG MT/r's
- BFG KM2's
- Toyo Open Country

I've run the MTR's for the last several years and love 'em. Don't do much (read: zero) mudding, but they work great for highway and rock crawling.

The KM2's are the next generation and are supposed to be even better.

Know a couple people in my club that run the Toyo's and I've seen them do some crazy stuff with 'em (on rocks) without ever having a lick of problems. In fact, one guy beats the living hell outta 'em and always leaves with zero cuts or gashes...i.e. they are very durable.

Pricing depends on the size of the tires. I'd recommend doing a search online for the tires and see what kind of deals you can get...

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You didn't mention the sizes you'd be looking at...(kinda helps w/ the decisions)

Sorry, I have my standard stock rims.
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jeep lifted? what size tire are you looking to get? Stock size ...30'' 31'' 32'' 33''.???
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=p.. i think he means 30s or 31s

you can fit 31s on a stock jeep.. thats how mine drove off the dealership lot back in 99..

ive never downgraded but now im running 33s =D

i was pricing some tires the other day.. mainly ats.. procomp tires run slightly smaller.. 31'' procomps were 30.2'' (for my xj)

procomp normally runs a sale in the summer, buy 3 get the 4th free.. and i love em.. i run procomp mts on my tj, and they are surprisingly quite for how big the lugs are.. and they are great offroad.. not to mention i still have traction when the roads get wet
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LOL stock rims.. you can fit biger tires on stock rims too perhaps 31s might be better than stock size? or 32s with a small (BB) lift?
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trip.. 31s are sometimes stock =p

at the jeep dealership in town.. 75% of the tjs they have had in the last 4 years have had 31s on them.. heck i got my 99 off the lot with 31s.. plus ALL rubis come with 31s too
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get 31'' bfg's I got 32's and I like them..not as noisy as I thought.
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trip.. 31s are sometimes stock =p

at the jeep dealership in town.. 75% of the tjs they have had in the last 4 years have had 31s on them.. heck i got my 99 off the lot with 31s.. plus ALL rubis come with 31s too
technically they arent stock. Just because you buy it from the dealer it doesnt mean its stock. For example, the dealer i went to had a rig on 35s.
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Trip I think he means the suspension is stock with 31's
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You didn't mention the sizes you'd be looking at...(kinda helps w/ the decisions)

Would recommend:
- BFG MT/r's
- BFG KM2's
- Toyo Open Country

I've run the MTR's for the last several years and love 'em. Don't do much (read: zero) mudding, but they work great for highway and rock crawling.
The MT/R is made by Goodyear, not BFG. The tire I'd recommend for you TJ_Babe is the BFG Mud Terrain KM, which is being replaced by the more aggressive and stronger BFG Mud Terrain KM2 by September. The KM2 is being brought out to compete with the Goodyear MT/R for rock crawling duties so I wouldn't hold out for it, it doesn't sound like you plan to do much of that. I run the Goodyear MT/R myself but it's more of a rock crawling tire than anything.

Several nice pluses for the BFG Mud Terrain KM include that it lasts a LONG time (I got well over 50K out of my last set of BFG MTs) they're fairly quiet on the highway, and they do very well for most forms of offroading including mud. It's real hard to beat the BFG MT KM for general offroad and street driving duties, for the $$$ it's a good choice.
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technically they arent stock. Just because you buy it from the dealer it doesnt mean its stock. For example, the dealer i went to had a rig on 35s.
my gfs jeep came with a 4'' lift and 35s off the jeep lot..

i was refering to BRAND NEW unmodified jeeps

my jeep had 2 miles on it when i picked it up off the lot in 99 with my mom

as a matter of fact, all sahara models that ive ever seen in town came with 31s just like rubis did..

the only jeeps ive seen at the dealership with 30'' tires were the sport edt.. and every once in a while you'll see a x but with the cheapest rims on it too..
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get 31'' bfg's I got 32's and I like them..not as noisy as I thought.
x2, I have 33" x 10.5 BFG MTs and they are by far the quietest mud tire I've ever ran.
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my gfs jeep came with a 4'' lift and 35s off the jeep lot..

i was refering to BRAND NEW unmodified jeeps

my jeep had 2 miles on it when i picked it up off the lot in 99 with my mom

as a matter of fact, all sahara models that ive ever seen in town came with 31s just like rubis did..

the only jeeps ive seen at the dealership with 30'' tires were the sport edt.. and every once in a while you'll see a x but with the cheapest rims on it too..
I've never seen or heard of a Sahara that came from the factory with 31" tires. I'm betting if the Saharas you saw had 31" tires that the dealer installed them.
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I've never seen or heard of a Sahara that came from the factory with 31" tires. I'm betting if the Saharas you saw had 31" tires that the dealer installed them.
Yup, when I purchased my Sahara in 1998, it came with the 30" Goodyear GSA tire package with the Gambler type wheels.

At that time, the 30" package was the max diameter you could get from the factory.

When I tried to upgrade my tires at Costco to 31"s, they turned me down stating they could only install the tire diameter on factory specs - which was 30".
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if you have to use the jeep on the road in rain/snow i wouldn┤t buy BFG MTs, IMO they aren┤t good in rain/snow.

p.e. i had the BFG ATs before (better than the BFG MTs on the road) and my actual cooper STTs are much better on the road.
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The MT/R is made by Goodyear, not BFG. The tire I'd recommend for you TJ_Babe is the BFG Mud Terrain KM, which is being replaced by the more aggressive and stronger BFG Mud Terrain KM2 by September. The KM2 is being brought out to compete with the Goodyear MT/R for rock crawling duties so I wouldn't hold out for it, it doesn't sound like you plan to do much of that. I run the Goodyear MT/R myself but it's more of a rock crawling tire than anything.

Several nice pluses for the BFG Mud Terrain KM include that it lasts a LONG time (I got well over 50K out of my last set of BFG MTs) they're fairly quiet on the highway, and they do very well for most forms of offroading including mud. It's real hard to beat the BFG MT KM for general offroad and street driving duties, for the $$$ it's a good choice.
Thats the one I was thinking of. BFG MT's...
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Kumhos tires get fantastic reviews (both the A/T and M/T). I'm planning to run their A/Ts when the little 235s are finally beat. Their prices are unbeatable, hard to find a dealer though.

Just throwing it out there.

Anyone with experience on Kumho tires?
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yup, love my kumhos. those little koreans make a good tire
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With my .02, I'm going to say A/T's. Driving a Jeep as a Daily Driver we need to consider HWY traction, stopping in the rain sucks with mud tires on the black top compaired to A/T's. I hate the fact I'm running Goodyear Fortera's but my Jeep Stops and handles great in the rain, I've had Michelin's, BFG's, Original GSA's and these Fortera's out perform everything I've owned. For general off road stuff they're fine, when I see mud I do my best to keep the speed cause they're going to spin. But then again mud is maybe 1% of my driving.
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wow.. I can't keep up with this thread.. sorry..

I believe I have 30s stock.. (originally had crappy GY GSAs) but can go to 31s without new rims. It is unmodified from stock... So no lift (yet). I do 95% of my driving on the road. Of that, lately it's mostly to school and back which is in town and about 30 miles a week. I'll be mostly highway to Boston this summer. I live in south eastern Mass, In the winter the snow can be crippling (so I gotta keep that in mind too) and I snowboard (a lot). But, this summer, I'd love to be able to get some off-roading in. The only thing I know around here is mudding and the driving the sandy beaches down Cape Cod. By the posts, it seems like A/Ts would be a better fit for my lifestyle for the most part, and would probably last longer. But, hubby wants the look of a M/T. Khumo has some nice looking M/Ts but the A/Ts would not pass the hubby test. I saw Toyo Open Country in the discussion earlier... I've been looking into those..

does anyone here use M/Ts on the road? How is the noise/gas/fuel/durability? and how BAD in the snow are they?

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I got tired of reading so I am not sure if anyoe suggested this or not but I like the BFG A/T's. They came on my jeep they looked pretty good. I ran them on stock suspension 31x10.50. The gas milage wasn't to great but hey the way I see it is if it already sucks what the hell which is why I upgraded.
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I run the MTs. Onroad is not bad. It hums a bit, but nothing too bad. Milage...uhm...no idea...I'm sure the rest of the ride deter more from MPG than the tires do
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I had Kumho Venture A/Ts on my 1500 Ram. Rode quiet but only got like 20k milse out of them. But the price was right. I paid $117 a peice for 285/70/17s.
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so... are you a redsox fan? =D
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so... are you a redsox fan? =D
duh? lol. Definately. But not as big as my hubby is.

Hey.. on the Kumhos... just 20k? yikes... they advertise that they have better wear than the BFG M/Ts.
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i have the toyo mt's. they had about 20-25k on them before i took them off my dodge and put them on the heep a couple weeks ago.
they have always been quiet, perfectly round, and easily balanced, the worst one i have took 2.5 oz to balance, the best only took .25oz.
sorry i couldnt tell you how they do ice with the heep, i just missed the last freeze a couple weeks ago when i installed them. on the dodge they did pretty well, though a mt will never be near as good as a winter tire.
they did fine in 3 feet of snow last weekend here in AK, at 7 psi they plowed through the popcorn snow better than i expected, at 7 psi they dont bulge much since they are a 10 ply E load tire.

only down side is cost, they were 350 a piece up here 3 years ago, i see them advertised down south for just over 200
http://www.treadepot.com has them in your size for 210 a piece

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