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Old 12-19-2012, 09:00 AM   #1
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Tires Binding After a Lift????

I recently completed a minor body lift so I could create enough clearance for a set of 33 x 12.50 Super Swamper STS Radial Tires.... this is my first experience with aggressive off road tires...now when I'm coming to a slow stop just before stopping on pavement it sounds/feels like the tires, brakes or gears are almost binding/grinding to a stop .....is this just the aggressive tire tread binding on the pavement or is something else going on I should be addressing before I make an extended trip?? This did not occur after the lift with my old Sumitomo 31 HTR radials. The feed back of someone more experienced would be greatly appreciated.

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Body lift shouldnt affect your tires in the slightest. What kind of noise/feeling is it making? What is your tire pressure? You may just not be accustom to running a more aggressive tread pattern...

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What size suspension lift and body lift did you install?
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Body lift shouldnt affect your tires in the slightest. What kind of noise/feeling is it making? What is your tire pressure? You may just not be accustom to running a more aggressive tread pattern...
I believe the real question is how did you get the front parking spot at work today?!?!?
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What size suspension lift and body lift did you install?
In another of his threads he started he added a 1 1/2" body lift...did not see anything about suspension. Assuming he is going in a straight line and stopping, I dont see why anything would be binding. In turns though...there could be some rubbing, but nothing was mentioned about that.

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I believe the real question is how did you get the front parking spot at work today?!?!?
I was the 5th vehicle in the parking lot...in at 5am, booo
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In another of his threads he started he added a 1 1/2" body lift...did not see anything about suspension. Assuming he is going in a straight line and stopping, I dont see why anything would be binding. In turns though...there could be some rubbing, but nothing was mentioned about that.



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emergency brake cable isnt pulled to tight after installing the BL is it ?
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A 1.5" body lift doesn't provide nearly enough clearance for 33x12.50 Super Swampers, I'm betting they're rubbing on the fenders.

My usual recommendation of 3" minimum additional clearance for 33x12.50 tires for street use is barely enough where Super Swampers are concerned... 4" is better and should be considered mandatory for offroad use of that big and knobby of a tire.
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Body lift shouldnt affect your tires in the slightest. What kind of noise/feeling is it making? What is your tire pressure? You may just not be accustom to running a more aggressive tread pattern...
Could be ... thats really what I'm trying to determine if it could just be the tread pattern ..but there is definitely a binding feeling just as it creeps to the final stop when your going just about as slow as possible There is no binding at any other time and I can't see where anything is or could be rubbing other than inside the brakes. I'm not running off road so there appears to be plenty of clearance so far. The tires are Super Swamper Trxus STS 33 x 12.50 radials mounted on steel wheels. I just measured the wheels as best I could. The look to be maybe 12" wide with 7" from the front rim to the brake drum surface and 5" to the rear rim.. There appears to be good clearance for at least road use. I cannot see anywhere the tires or wheels are close to scraping or binding anywhere front or behind. The issue only occurs just as you creep to a stop. The tread does not appear that aggressive but could tread pattern alone even cause this? I'm attaching a couple pics if that helps.
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A 1.5" body lift doesn't provide nearly enough clearance for 33x12.50 Super Swampers, I'm betting they're rubbing on the fenders.
I guess if his jeep "dives" enough in stops...this is possible, didn't think of that.
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emergency brake cable isnt pulled to tight after installing the BL is it ?
Good thinking but don't think that is the problem. It is very sloppy and hardly works and I did not have any issues with my 31" tires after the lift before I changed the wheels and tires.
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I guess if his jeep "dives" enough in stops...this is possible, didn't think of that.
Not a diving issue ..were talking about a rolling creeping stop ..almost
slower than if you were walking along side..
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Could be ... thats really what I'm trying to determine if it could just be the tread pattern ..but there is definitely a binding feeling just as it creeps to the final stop when your going just about as slow as possible There is no binding at any other time and I can't see where anything is or could be rubbing other than inside the brakes. I'm not running off road so there appears to be plenty of clearance so far. The tires are Super Swamper Trxus STS 33 x 12.50 radials mounted on steel wheels. I just measured the wheels as best I could. The look to be maybe 12" wide with 7" from the front rim to the brake drum surface and 5" to the rear rim.. There appears to be good clearance for at least road use. I cannot see anywhere the tires or wheels are close to scraping or binding anywhere front or behind. The issue only occurs just as you creep to a stop. The tread does not appear that aggressive but could tread pattern alone even cause this? I'm attaching a couple pics if that helps.
Hmm...I forget those swampers aren't all that aggressive. When I think swamper, I think of their knobby aggressive stuff. Could you maybe have someone get in the jeep, roll down the drive way on the brakes and see if you can find/hear the noise outside of the jeep?
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A 1.5" body lift doesn't provide nearly enough clearance for 33x12.50 Super Swampers, I'm betting they're rubbing on the fenders.

My usual recommendation of 3" minimum additional clearance for 33x12.50 tires for street use is barely enough where Super Swampers are concerned... 4" is better and should be considered mandatory for off road use of that big and knobby of a tire.
These are TRXUS STS Radials which do not have the knobby aggressive treads like the Boggers. There is definitely lots of clearance between the fenders, flairs, frame, and any suspension parts so no possible issues there at least for road use.. I'm thinking its either tread pattern, brakes or something internal. If its tread pattern no problem, if it's brakes or something more exotic that's a issue that need to be addressed. This tread does not seem that aggressive but I'm not experienced on this.
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I think, if it were me, I would pull the wheels off and check all the brake hardware. Maybe you have an e-brake cable that snapped inside a drum or some other piece of damaged hardware. It may just be a coincidence that it happened when you installed the tires.
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Hmm...I forget those swampers aren't all that aggressive. When I think swamper, I think of their knobby aggressive stuff. Could you maybe have someone get in the jeep, roll down the drive way on the brakes and see if you can find/hear the noise outside of the jeep?
That's a good idea that I will try. Not sure my wife can handle low speed clutching so I may have to find another victim for that.

If its brakes that's easily addressed. My main concern, other just understanding whats going on, would be if there is some kind of funky gear binding action going on that could not be heard at high speed but cause a major problem with a few more miles on it
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Maybe one of your calipers is starting to seize? It could just be coincidental that it happened after you put on the lift. It sounds like as my rear caliper was semi-seizes and not releasing all of the way. Maybe jack the jeep up one side at a time and try and spin the tires by hand? With the jeep in neutral, it should be easy to rotate the tire by hand.
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Maybe one of your calipers is starting to seize? It could just be coincidental that it happened after you put on the lift. It sounds like as my rear caliper was semi-seizes and not releasing all of the way. Maybe jack the jeep up one side at a time and try and spin the tires by hand? With the jeep in neutral, it should be easy to rotate the tire by hand.
That would be a quick check as well
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How much backspacing do your wheels have?
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Maybe one of your calipers is starting to seize? It could just be coincidental that it happened after you put on the lift. It sounds like as my rear caliper was semi-seizes and not releasing all of the way. Maybe jack the jeep up one side at a time and try and spin the tires by hand? With the jeep in neutral, it should be easy to rotate the tire by hand.
Definitely worth a try. If that does to turn anything up I may throw on the old wheels and tires for a test ride to confirm again is only with the new rubber
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I just measured the wheels as best I could. They look to be maybe 12" wide with 7" from the front rim to the brake drum surface and 5" to the rear rim.. There appears to be good clearance for at least road use. I cannot see anywhere the tires or wheels are close to scraping or binding anywhere front or behind, frame, suspension flares etc. The issue only occurs just as you creep to a stop.
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Every set of Swampers Ive ever had always make a rumble with some vibes when rolling to a stop.If you have another set of wheels you can toss on you will know right away.
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No way are your wheels 12" wide... most wheels 7-8" wide, yours are maybe 10" wide.

The below pic shows how the backspacing is measured. The yellow tape measure is measuring the backspacing which is that distance between the wheel's mounting flange and the rear edge of the wheel.
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Those look like 10" wide wheels.
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Every set of Swampers Ive ever had always make a rumble with some vibes when rolling to a stop.If you have another set of wheels you can toss on you will know right away.

Super Swamper big lugs I could see....check out the picture in post 14 of the Traxus STS,,have you ever had a set like these tread pattern?
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Ive not ran a set of the STS but I almost guarantee you its the side lugs that are making the rumble and vibes.See the gap between lugs on the side . That is what you are feeling .Unless you have some other issue that suddenly appeared after installing the tires which I doubt.
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No way are your wheels 12" wide... most wheels 7-8" wide, yours are maybe 10" wide.

The below pic shows how the backspacing is measured. The yellow tape measure is measuring the backspacing which is that distance between the wheel's mounting flange and the rear edge of the wheel.
figuring now 10' Wheel with 4" backspacing
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Flash update ..issues identified and solved (for now)

For everyone who posted here thanks for your help and advice. This afternoon I did some drive testing then jacked up each side , rotated the wheels and listened for noise, I heard some very low sound and binding on the right rear so I pulled the wheel off and the brake drum. Lots of brake shoe but a piece of the rim of the drum casting had cracked off and was going for a ride inside the drum. It must have been binding when I was stopping. Anyway its out and the problem has gone away. Now I just need to replace a couple rear drums. Thanks again!!
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figuring now 10' Wheel with 4" backspacing
That's ok and definitely not the problem then.
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For everyone who posted here thanks for your help and advice. This afternoon I did some drive testing then jacked up each side , rotated the wheels and listened for noise, I heard some very low sound and binding on the right rear so I pulled the wheel off and the brake drum. Lots of brake shoe but a piece of the rim of the drum casting had cracked off and was going for a ride inside the drum. It must have been binding when I was stopping. Anyway its out and the problem has gone away. Now I just need to replace a couple rear drums. Thanks again!!
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