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Old 03-05-2014, 08:40 AM   #31
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if your current TJ is getting worn out, why not sell it and buy a different, lower mileage TJ? there's lots of them still out there for sale.
I have thought about this, but I've already invested money in a bunch of new parts that I know will keep the rig running now. Plus, I would have to start from scratch on a few of the mods I currently already have..lol

I appreciate all the words of wisdom you all have given me. It's crazy on how it has never been this hard when trading in any other vehicle I have owned. That alone says something to me about maybe I should just keep the TJ and roll with the punches. I mean really, I have already put a lot of money into it and there would only be a few other major cost items I would need to purchase to have it running good for the next few years.

I think the price of the JK's also keeps me in my TJ. I do love some of the looks of the modded JK's, but the price of buying one is just nuts. It would really make you not want to chance taking it on the trails just because you still owe and arm and a leg on the thing. I do still owe a little bit on my TJ but it's nowhere near what I would be financing for a new JK.

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WAIT! WHAT? People take the plastic Jeep off-road? really and it doesn't crack? .
ROFL!!!

Face it, if you use your JK the way you currently use your TJ, you will be fixing it. Maybe even more. On the flip side, you may baby your new toy so much, it won't need repairs. But, you will have to ask yourself, is your new toy providing you the wheeling satisfaction you currently have with your TJ.

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I was talking to a friend about this today and he nailed it. The JK is a better car, the TJ is a better jeep.
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A little philosophy lesson here that kinda has relevance to your problem, inside, you truly know what you want to do, so flip a coin, and if whatever it lands on makes you feel unhappy or disappointed, then that isn't the right choice for you.
Now for me personally, I'd keep the TJ, don't get me wrong, I am actually a fan of the new JK's, as long as it sticks to the classic jeep roll down windows, manual locks, and manual transmission, but my TJ just gives me such satisfaction to just be able to drive it, and mine has 154,000 miles, still running strong
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I got my first Wrangler last year. A 2013 JKU Sport. I love my JKU. My wife does not drive and the JKU is all she will let me take her out in now. I always wanted a Wrangler but kids and life got in the way. After getting my JKU I still found myself looking at TJ's. So towards the end of last year I got a 1997 TJ. Now my JKU sits unless my wife is going with me. For work when I don't need my truck I use my TJ. The JKU is lifted and on 35's and drives better then it did the day I got it but driving the TJ feels like driving a go-cart down the road. The TJ is far more fun to drive then the JKU. I do love them both but my TJ gets more use.
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I got my first Wrangler last year. A 2013 JKU Sport. I love my JKU. My wife does not drive and the JKU is all she will let me take her out in now. I always wanted a Wrangler but kids and life got in the way. After getting my JKU I still found myself looking at TJ's. So towards the end of last year I got a 1997 TJ. Now my JKU sits unless my wife is going with me. For work when I don't need my truck I use my TJ. The JKU is lifted and on 35's and drives better then it did the day I got it but driving the TJ feels like driving a go-cart down the road. The TJ is far more fun to drive then the JKU. I do love them both but my TJ gets more use.
This is exactly what I missed when I got a JK, I missed the feeling of the TJ.
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Just keep your TJ you least will know whats been fixed and done right. It will go another 100k easy. Unless you spend another $30k on new JK and even might double your payments. I would just keep it. Like everyone saying JK are nice and have tons more creature comforts but is it really a jeep anymore? or soccer mommy SUV. Where I live most 4door JKs even rubicon are driven by moms dropping off kids at school or soccer. When asked one mom at my gym if she ever used her lockers on her Rubicon? She had no idea what I was talking about. Also like some say not all JK owners dont even wave back. Its not like they are rude but the traditions of friendly jeepers gone lost after the addition of 4door JK. It appears move over mini van and Chevy Tahoe its new Jeep JK.
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Just keep your TJ you least will know whats been fixed and done right. It will go another 100k easy. Unless you spend another $30k on new JK and even might double your payments. I would just keep it. Like everyone saying JK are nice and have tons more creature comforts but is it really a jeep anymore? or soccer mommy SUV. Where I live most 4door JKs even rubicon are driven by moms dropping off kids at school or soccer. When asked one mom at my gym if she ever used her lockers on her Rubicon? She had no idea what I was talking about. Also like some say not all JK owners dont even wave back. Its not like they are rude but the traditions of friendly jeepers gone lost after the addition of 4door JK. It appears move over mini van and Chevy Tahoe its new Jeep JK.
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I think another thing to consider is how soon until you're payment free of the TJ? I'd not had a car payment for over 8 years when it finally came time to quit daily driving my 15 year old F150 (I bought it used & 3 years old) and get something newer. When you don't have a payment and you need to throw a few hundred bucks at a problem it doesn't hurt compared to $250/month plus the random issues. I think people that say there's a feeling about the TJ's are right I think there's a fit owner to jeep with them. Not saying I wouldn't enjoy a JK. If anyone is in a giving mood I'd love one of those '14 Polar Edition w/ the color matched hard tops. It just sounds like they're a bit more refined to reach a wider audience.
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I made the swap from TJ to JK,
Personally Big mistake,
Roof and door seals are a pita for leaking water in, my 09 JK Rubicon was like being in the shower when it rained. After 6 months of wet feet, I went back to a TJ and modified it.
Much happier. .
Also a JK is more like driving a car with all its gadgets and comfort, a TJ is more of an experience just like a Jeep should be.
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FWIW I didn't read the entire thread.....and IDK if you finally did trade or just decided to keep repairing/ modding your TJ...my experience...Bought my '04 New in '04...and it was a huge step up from my '94 YJ and rode oh so much better.....now ten years later here is the '04 with 165K plus miles. Only repairs have been wear items or "MODS", tires brakes wipers clutch etc......I DD the TJ about 90% of the time..it is not stock any more but it is still my "GO TO" Jeep most of the time.......my point? We have a '12 and a '14JKU I will drive one of them when I want to just "commute" great vehicles don't get me wrong...but the TJ is my favorite.....Good Luck!!!
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This totally sounds like a break up letter, for real, lol. But I do not work just to keep my TJ running, does yours require that? It's not the working on Jeeps that I love, it's the way they "feel" that Jeep "feeling" that makes it fun to drive, the JK's dont have it. But, if you are looking for the comforts and 4 doors then you will love the JK, I liked the one I had but I got tired of missing my old TJ's
No, not to keep it running. I was being dramatic. I do have to keep replacing minor things. Turn signal lever, cruise control switch which I had to buy used because they don't make them anymore for my model, the rear bumper needs to be taken off, wire wheeled and repainted, same with the gas tank skid, covered the torn seat with a cover but the cover is fading, etc., etc., etc. Gets old spending money to keep it up rather than improving it. If I'm going to spend $5k-7k getting it in like new shape, I'm at the point where I'll just buy a new one.

You're right, I've broken up with my TJ. That's me and YMMV. Honestly, you need to go ask this question in the JK forum if you're serious. This is like asking the cashier at McDonalds if you should go eat at Burger King. Nothing wrong with loving your TJ but I suspect you're not getting unbiased opinions. You won't in the JK forum either but you can at least compare. Just my two cents.
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It tells me something that you posted in the TJ corner! For the money you would spend for a new JK you could replace every single part at least twice on your Tj
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My TJ is mostly weekend cruiser/toy, but I think half of the experience is making the minor repairs it needs.
Could never see trading it in, that would be rude..! Hopefully one of the kids wants it someday.
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Here's my biased opinion of owning all three options listed here JK, JKU, and LJ...
JK ? newer platform safer, Short turning radius closer to the TJ. 3.8 is mediocre but has had some reported major oil use issues, The Jk 2door is a different animal then the 4 door. Turning radius included. On the trail and in town parking, again close to the TJ but with a wider more comfortable ride in general. Like the TJ you have limited space.
JKU ? A proven off roader as well. With plenty of storage. "Sometimes" a longer wheel base is better. And sometimes it's not for tighter trails. Pros and cons here continue on a list of what works best for the individual buyer and what his needs are.
LJ ? Well, it's a TJ with a longer wheelbase 103"wb and more storage. Although a larger turning radius. But not even close to the larger turning radius, room and size of a JKU. 116" wb
LOL, after owning all three mentioned ?, I have came full circle back to the LJ. Each has their pros and cons... No wrongs, just choices. Unless you choose wrong... ;-)
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I have something to add, I drove my jk for 2 years and didn't hear 2 words from anyone about it. Today, about a week or two after getting my new TJ I went out to dinner with the doors off, no top. For those in Jacksonville Florida that know of Taco Lu (awesome little taco joint) their parking is valet only for some reason. Anyways, the valet immediately commented about my jeep. Then when dinner was over they argued amongst themselves about which one of them got to drive my jeep around from the back. These are the experiences that make the TJ special. The JK does NOT have that magic, no matter what the people that still owe 20grand on their JK say.
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I've had 6 wranglers... '86 cj7 4cyl, '84 cj7 6cyl, '92 yj Sahara, '03 tj, '07 jk Sahara, '14 jku rubi x. Still have the last two. All manuals, each with various degrees of mods, all served DD duties at some point in their service, and all were wheeled.

My TJ had lunch box lockers and 31" MTs. My first off-road experience in my '07 JK removed any doubt for me about the upgrade, and it was bone stock. Did a fender trim on the '07 and with no mods other than spacers could fit 34" tires... took that off road and WOW. The BLD makes such a huge difference in what the JK can tackle... when I go wheeling and there is a non-locked TJ in the group it is almost comical to watch it struggle over stuff the non-locked JK just cruises over.

Which do I have the most nostalgia for? That first '86 1.5 I4 5spd put-put CJ7. I LOVED that jeep... top down, puttering around a logging road, there was just no other jeep like it.

Which would I choose for an off road adventure? My '07 JK in a heartbeat. Currently, she is semi-retired and is looking forward to a LS-swap. I take her out once every couple weeks just so she can stretch her legs a little.

All of this is to say in my experience with all modern jeep wrangler platforms, the JK earns its title as Jeep King.

Long live the King.

P.s. yes jeep waves from other JK owners have decreased, especially if the jk is bone stock.
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WAIT! WHAT? People take the plastic Jeep off-road? really and it doesn't crack? .
Like a TJ doesn"t have plastic. If my JK is 30% plastic, then my TJ was 28% plastic. And frankly, modern plastic compounds have vastly superior mechanical properties to TJ era plastics.

PS, nobody says people have to get power window, heated seats and push-button lockers in a JK. Even better, that raw TJ-esque ruggedness people miss is available on the cheap base model JK.

The basic JK most aptly captures the essence of Jeep.

Skinny pants wearing prima donăs here complain about the skill/effort needed to drive a manual JK and in the very next thread the JK is too refined for 'em. Apparently the Wrangler is appealing to a large cross-section of people... from the men who can wipe with leaves, all the way to the girl-pants grommet earring faeries.
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Like a TJ doesn"t have plastic. If my JK is 30% plastic, then my TJ was 28% plastic. And frankly, modern plastic compounds have vastly superior mechanical properties to TJ era plastics.

PS, nobody says people have to get power window, heated seats and push-button lockers in a JK. Even better, that raw TJ-esque ruggedness people miss is available on the cheap base model JK.

The basic JK most aptly captures the essence of Jeep.

Skinny pants wearing prima donăs here complain about the skill/effort needed to drive a manual JK and in the very next thread the JK is too refined for 'em. Apparently the Wrangler is appealing to a large cross-section of people... from the men who can wipe with leaves, all the way to the girl-pants grommet earring faeries.
I have nothing against plastic but there is a larger difference between a TJ and a JK then 2%. I tried taking the carped out of my JK when I had it because I don't run carpet in my jeeps and I had to remove l, literally, like 15 pieces of unnecessary plastic trim pieces just to get the carpet out. There was a huge box of plastic parts sitting in my garage. Half way through I just had to laugh, why are all those trim pieces needed? There is no denying the JK has lost the magic, I've had both. The JK is nicer though, there is no denying that either. It comes down to preference.
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I've had both too, and a TJ calling a JK plastic is like Pam Anderson calling Paris Hilton a slut.... 50% plastic bumpers and fenders versus 100% plastic bumpers and fenders.
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I've had both too, and a TJ calling a JK plastic is like Pam Anderson calling Paris Hilton a slut.... 50% plastic bumpers and fenders versus 100% plastic bumpers and fenders.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying a TJs bumpers are 50% plastic and a JKs bumpers are 100% plastic? I removed the dumb plastic end caps on my TJs bumper and there is a lot more than 50% of it left. Take the plastic off the front of your JK, what does it look like? Nick Cage from face-off. Also, the grille on the front of the jk is plastic, I couldn't get over that. Its just felt cheap to me. Like I said, to each their own, I'm a TJ, you're a JK. We both drive jeeps man, its all good.
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Several have already mentioned the financial aspect of the TJ vs. JK issue but I think it warrants a post by itself.

Consumer debt is almost never smart. Taking on *substantially* more debt for the difference between a TJ and a JK is flat ridiculous IMO. If the additional space of a JKU is required, get something practical with the extra space you need and save your hard-earned cash for a new or used JK/JKU someday.

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Several have already mentioned the financial aspect of the TJ vs. JK issue but I think it warrants a post by itself.

Consumer debt is almost never smart. Taking on *substantially* more debt for the difference between a TJ and a JK is flat ridiculous IMO. If the additional space of a JKU is required, get something practical with the extra space you need and save your hard-earned cash for a new or used JK/JKU someday.

Diving for cover now...
Alternatively, you only live once and nobody knows for how long. You can go through life and make every practical, "smart" decision possible or you can make a dumb choice every now and then and have a heck of a lot more fun in the short time we're given on this earth. I'll take the latter.
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Alternatively, you only live once and nobody knows for how long. You can go through life and make every practical, "smart" decision possible or you can make a dumb choice every now and then and have a heck of a lot more fun in the short time we're given on this earth. I'll take the latter.
Or, you can find a happy medium between the two. Believe me, I found that happy medium when I was younger, had just as much fun, though we didn't spend nearly as much on Jeep mod's (a lift was putting the leaf springs on under the axles LOL) and will enjoy the rest of my life with plenty of $$$ in the bank. The sad part is I doubt I will spend it all and my 2 boys will get it - AND they like 1st generation Toyotas!!!
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Or, you can find a happy medium between the two. Believe me, I found that happy medium when I was younger, had just as much fun, though we didn't spend nearly as much on Jeep mod's (a lift was putting the leaf springs on under the axles LOL) and will enjoy the rest of my life with plenty of $$$ in the bank. The sad part is I doubt I will spend it all and my 2 boys will get it - AND they like 1st generation Toyotas!!!
Well, you're only option is to keep having kids to you get one that likes jeeps. Then leave all your money to that one, lol.
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Trade a TJ for a YJ ?? Who'da Thunkit ??

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I know ..Just thought I'd cast my vote here.. I can't take the carpet out of a JK and wash it out with a water hose after a messy day hunting through the red clay here in upper S.C..... "Hello"...
The best looking Jeep is the CJ....
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"(a lift was putting the leaf springs on under the axles LOL) - make that on top of the axles.

As for more kids - heck no. I got the current ones out of the house and don't need more!!!

I had to laugh my son and I went down to a buddy who is a certified Toyota mechanic in his 4Runner and his 4 year old came running out and call the 4Runner a "Jeep." ROFL!! Of course his dad told him that was a 4 letter word he is not suppose to be saying!
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Ah, the CJ3b high-hood!!! use to have one and wish I still did!!! I also use to have a Ford GP, a vehicle that started the name Jeep. Another one I wish I would have held on to except the PO had swapped in a 283 V8 and it didn't have a tailgate!!!
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The best part of this conversation, is that YJ owners would say the same thing about TJ's as we do about JK's "too much plastic". I agree though, owning a cj, yj or tj feels like a brotherhood. I feel like JK/JKU is just the new minivan for soccer moms who want to look cool. I have plenty of friends with JK's, but none of them do anything remotely close to offroading and all of them are bone stock.
Again, my jeep club essentially consists of CJs, Yjs, TJs and hardly ever a JK, and the jks that do join often have no idea what they are doing once they hit the dirt.

sorry, end rant. Not looking to argue, just my opinion and observations

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