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Old 03-04-2014, 09:21 AM   #1
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Smile Tj ----> jk

So I currently have an '04 Sahara TJ and recently it has developed issue after issue as it starts to show its age. It currently has about 114k on the clock. I honestly love this rig to death and just keep fixing each issue that pops up but the idea has been slowly leaking into my head about maybe it is time to just upgrade to a JK. I just keep thinking of the money I dump into it over and over again. Yea, I know the breakdown for the word "Jeep", but with the JK at least I would be getting some breathing room on repairs and could concentrate on buying mods. I love the classic TJ and really don't want to give it up as they are pretty simple to work on and just have that classic rugged look to them. And not to offend anyone, but for me it seems a TJ turns more heads than a JK when they are modded up. I do have a bank note on this one so keeping it and just getting a JK as well would not be an option for me. The times I think about trading up, I think on how much I would enjoy the JK, but then I think that I would really miss the TJ and regret letting it go. The TJ is my daily driver and my only vehicle right now and the same would go for the JK if I traded up. Just looking for some insight on this and if anyone else has gone through this. Thanks,


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I think this is where my experiences might be of some use. Ive had wranglers since I could drive. I had two 97's growing up till I bought my very first new one an '05 Rubi, loved it. Then I bought my next new one a '12 Sport. And man was it nice. But the more I drove it the more I realized that it didn't feel like a jeep anymore. Please guys I'm not trying to start an argument. The feeling a TJ gives you, that is what forms the bond we have with them. The JK lacks that feeling. JK owners don't wave back either, lol. JKs are really cool, don't get me wrong, but when I had one it almost felt like I forgot what I loved about being a jeep guy. It became a car, a comfortable, normal car. My morning commute became just that, a commute, a chore. I remembered my old TJs made it fun because I felt like the luckiest guy to be able to drive my toy around on the road with all the normal people, lol, you know what I mean. I missed the TJs.

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I'd consider posting this in the JK section. You'll find a ton of guys who made this switch and couldn't be happier
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I think this is where my experiences might be of some use. Ive had wranglers since I could drive. I had two 97's growing up till I bought my very first new one an '05 Rubi, loved it. Then I bought my next new one a '12 Sport. And man was it nice. But the more I drove it the more I realized that it didn't feel like a jeep anymore. Please guys I'm not trying to start an argument. The feeling a TJ gives you, that is what forms the bond we have with them. The JK lacks that feeling. JK owners don't wave back either, lol. JKs are really cool, don't get me wrong, but when I had one it almost felt like I forgot what I loved about being a jeep guy. It became a car, a comfortable, normal car. My morning commute became just that, a commute, a chore. I remembered my old TJs made it fun because I felt like the luckiest guy to be able to drive my toy around on the road with all the normal people, lol, you know what I mean. I missed the TJs.
Yup, that is exactly what I am talking about on making it so hard to even think of letting go of the TJ. I have rented a couple JK's and you're right on how it is just a totally different feeling. Sort of like you've lost that "Jeep" edge that you get from owning a CJ, YJ or TJ. The TJ gives you that "bare" sort of feeling in that it's down to the basics in regards to everything is manual and there is hardly any insulation. With a JK, you get power options and there is more of a "padding" feeling like you get from the surroundings of a car. You do understand the difficulty...lol
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I'd consider posting this in the JK section. You'll find a ton of guys who made this switch and couldn't be happier
On the flipside, I have heard that a lot of people like the feeling of wheeling in the JK more than the TJ's.
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I totally understand the difficulty. And I just want to be clear that I've owned and enjoyed owning (to some degree) a JK. Its just not the feeling I grew up loving. It doesn't have what made me fall for jeeps in the first place. Let me ask you, what is your situation? Like married? Kids? I feel like a JK might be better for some people, where as a TJ is better for others.
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We had a TJ. $$$$$ repairs and no mods. Was fun to drive but didn't get to wheel becasue it broke all the time. LOVE my JK, wife has JKU, and she loves it. Don't miss the TJ one bit. Oh and I wave to all that wave to me.
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Also, the ENTIRE time I owned my JK I always knew I would have a TJ again. I think that speaks for itself. But it could be driven by pure nostalgia, lol. If some described both a JK and a TJ to me and I had never even heard of jeeps before the JK would sound way better. But the TJ is more than the sum of its parts. That's what I missed.
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well I have never had a TJ so I cant say specifically about a TJ but I will say this about my JK to JK replacement.

I bought a 2010 Rubicon, used. I bought it because its what I thought I wanted, factory half doors, soft top and hard core off-roader in flame red. I matched colors on the interior and thought it was the best vehicle I have ever owned. Then year 2 set in. When driving long distances the half doors gave me a headache repeatedly from the noise. The front and rear windows are were scratches in IMO needed replacement. The 3.8 used oil from the sitting and short trips I normally make ( I work from home). I looked at buying full doors, adding a hardtop and putting in a BT radio. I estimated about $6K but I would have both a hardtop and a soft top, full doors for winter/travel and half doors for top off season.

I decided to trade in for the new motor and just get the items I wanted from Jeep if the price was right. There were 2 Dune Sports that were sitting on the lot for over 6 months optioned close to what I wanted. One day I walked in and asked them to do the best they could for me and I walked out with a new JK.

I look at old pictures of my Red JK and think man that was a beautiful machine. I enjoy my Sport a lot more - it does more of the things I need it too. The red JK I wanted to keep looking nice and wanted to fix up the interior to be "nicer". With the Dune I am adding things to make it more rugged. I would never put MOLLE system in the red, but it feels to me like it would fit in the Dune (more military color). I love both of them in different ways. The Sport fits me better, the Rubicon was a want.

So why the long rant? Emotional decisions are not logical. They vary from person to person. If you feel like you wouldn't want the JK, or feel like you would miss the TJ, don't trade. If you feel like you would LOVE the new JK, then trade in.

Just like a woman, she can be the one of your dreams, even if she's a B!7$H. Just ask yourself if you are tired of her $h!t. (or tired of fixing the TJ)

Or she can be 99% of what you want but something that just fits, even if the want isn't quite as strong.
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We had a TJ. $$$$$ repairs and no mods. Was fun to drive but didn't get to wheel becasue it broke all the time. LOVE my JK, wife has JKU, and she loves it. Don't miss the TJ one bit. Oh and I wave to all that wave to me.
I realize jeep enthusiasts wave even if they drive JKs but my point was more that they made JKs so comfortable and car like that it wasn't special anymore. Anyone can drive a JK, it takes a special person to drive a TJ. And I'm nearly 30 and have had a TJ since I was 16 till now, minus 2 years for the JK and the only stuff that broke on any of my TJs was stuff that I broke doing something I shouldn't have been doing, lol. Most solid jeeps ever made in my opinion.
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Just like a woman, she can be the one of your dreams, even if she's a B!7$H. Just ask yourself if you are tired of her $h!t. (or tired of fixing the TJ)
That's a solid line right there...lol
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That's a solid line right there...lol
Yeah, lol. He's 100% right too.
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On the flipside, I have heard that a lot of people like the feeling of wheeling in the JK more than the TJ's.
WAIT! WHAT? People take the plastic Jeep off-road? really and it doesn't crack? .
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WAIT! WHAT? People take the plastic Jeep off-road? really and it doesn't crack? .
Uh-oh, lol. Someone's going to take that seriously, I know it.
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WAIT! WHAT? People take the plastic Jeep off-road? really and it doesn't crack? .
hahaha...yea, but I think they must be talking about having it out in places like Gold Camp Road

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I have an 09 JK. My first Jeep. Drove a few TJ's when I was shopping around but it just happens that they were all high millage with issues that didn't make me feel comfortable for a DD. At the time I didn't know about the on going discussion of TJ vs. JK. All I knew is that I wanted a two door 4wd wrangler with solid axels that would take me on off-road adventures on the weekend but would also be dependable on Monday as a DD. So I bought the 09. Yes the windshield and the grill are at an angle (windshield still stays chipped and cracked from being almost flat and it has the aerodynamics of a dump truck) and maybe the interior is a little padded but you still feel every bump on the highway. My left knee stays bruised from banging against that "padded" window crank when wheeling. And of course with the rag top you get that extra noise package that is available with all wranglers. Believe me, when you start adding lift kits and off road tires you start to loose the little comfort that the JK has. The bottom line is you have to go with what works. If you can find a dependable TJ with low miles then you are in luck. If not and you have to get a newer JK because of your need of a DD well, you still get one of the most capable off road vehicles that will take you where no "car" ever will. And maybe later when you can afford it you can do what I plan to do. You can pick up an older TJ as a project.
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I remembered my old TJs made it fun because I felt like the luckiest guy to be able to drive my toy around on the road with all the normal people, lol, you know what I mean. I missed the TJs.
Exactly why I love my TJ. No matter where I'm driving it it feels like a toy and I love it because of that.

OP my young life has been spent buying one truck after another. I like 87-91 fords. And every time I buy a truck I find something cheap and in need of work. Sometimes it's major and sometimes it's minor. But every single time those trucks were the most reliable vehicles I could own... But only after the kinks are all worked out.

I remember a particular F250 that needed at least 10 repairs. Shocks, ball joints, u joints, a rad support, clutch, flywheel, master and slave... It even needed a whole new front left axle housing (IFS). I sold the truck before finishing it as I wanted to fix my jeep, but I still talk to the owner and he hasn't had a single problem with it.

Moral of the story is, vehicles break, but if you put the TLC into it, then it will be reliable. Especially jeeps.

Go over it with a fine tooth comb and replace parts as needed. As long as your motor and trans are in good standing (with your given mileage they should be unless abused), then just stick it out and you will have a vehicle that won't let you down.

Or else just think of all the good things about it rather than the bad. My jeeps engine could blow today and I'll still fix it because it's my jeep, and I have so much fun with it.
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I started with a '47 Willys.....was in my family forever, and my Dad had me driving it around the farm at 10-12 years old.

Got a CJ 5 in 79, and have had several CJ's, YJ's, TJ's, one LJ, and now a '14 JKU.

They all had their own quirks, personalities, capabilities, detriments, etc.

I also had a '67 Bronco, and a '77 Bronco Sport....those Broncos were much sturdier, as they basically had Ford pickup running gear, narrowed down to the Bronco size.

YJ's were the worst I ever owned, and CJ's were the "classics"......but that ole '47 Willys with the screaming 4 banger was a blast to drive. She had 4 shift levers....one for the 3 speed tranny, one for 2 and 4 wd, one for high and low range, and one to put the pto winch into and out of gear.

I miss that ole girl.....
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I've had an 09 jk, with the 3.8, traded in for the 2012 with the 3.6. They were awesome no doubt. But didn't feel uber comfortable wheeling in something I owed $26k on. I sold that one, went to a yj for a while, now on the TJ. For me, it's just right. Don't owe too much on it, it's a daily driver, has the jeep feel to it.

For stock daily driving without modding much, get a jk. But if you wheel, or want to mod it out, honestly I would keep the tj. My two cents.
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I'm in the same boat. My TJ is running well but it needs some TLC. I'd rather mod a new Jeep instead of restoring an old one. I finally made the decision as I priced out what I wanted to do and when I started hearing rumors of 2016's with IFS and all that. I decided to do it now but I was going to do it eventually anyway.

I thought the JK's looked goofy when they first came out and I'm guilty of saying they are "Hummerized" but as I get older I appreciate the creature comforts and they've grown on me. I also love the JKUs. A honest to goodness Jeep Wrangler that comfortably seats four and has room to spare? Sign me up.

It's easy to get caught up in the hardcore offroading/rock crawling excitement when you read forums like this one. I love those Jeeps but I don't do that stuff. I want a rig I can take fishing and exploring on two tracks and trails. Nothing against those hardcore guys but not all of us are into that.

I love my TJ and I loved the one I bought back in 99 too. But I think I'll love my new JK too once I buy it in a few weeks. Not every Jeep owner is interested in working on their Jeep all the time and that's OK. I'd rather improve my Jeep instead of working hard just to keep it running, to keep up with the bits and pieces that keep breaking and maintaining the status quo. My 99 was new but two young kids made it impractical. this one was 13 years old when I got it and I've been cleaning up after the PO ever since. I'd love to have new one that I plan in keeping and taking care of and I can make my own from day one.

And so what if every soccer mom and retired school teacher owns one. A modest lift, bigger tires, some bumpers, lights and such will set you apart from the crowd and all those other grocery getters mean all sorts of cool mods you can't find for TJ's and junk yards will have plenty of donors in the future.
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I'm in the same boat. My TJ is running well but it needs some TLC. I'd rather mod a new Jeep instead of restoring an old one. I finally made the decision as I priced out what I wanted to do and when I started hearing rumors of 2016's with IFS and all that. I decided to do it now but I was going to do it eventually anyway.

I thought the JK's looked goofy when they first came out and I'm guilty of saying they are "Hummerized" but as I get older I appreciate the creature comforts and they've grown on me. I also love the JKUs. A honest to goodness Jeep Wrangler that comfortably seats four and has room to spare? Sign me up.

It's easy to get caught up in the hardcore offroading/rock crawling excitement when you read forums like this one. I love those Jeeps but I don't do that stuff. I want a rig I can take fishing and exploring on two tracks and trails. Nothing against those hardcore guys but not all of us are into that.

I love my TJ and I loved the one I bought back in 99 too. But I think I'll love my new JK too once I buy it in a few weeks. Not every Jeep owner is interested in working on their Jeep all the time and that's OK. I'd rather improve my Jeep instead of working hard just to keep it running, to keep up with the bits and pieces that keep breaking and maintaining the status quo. My 99 was new but two young kids made it impractical. this one was 13 years old when I got it and I've been cleaning up after the PO ever since. I'd love to have new one that I plan in keeping and taking care of and I can make my own from day one.

And so what if every soccer mom and retired school teacher owns one. A modest lift, bigger tires, some bumpers, lights and such will set you apart from the crowd and all those other grocery getters mean all sorts of cool mods you can't find for TJ's and junk yards will have plenty of donors in the future.
This totally sounds like a break up letter, for real, lol. But I do not work just to keep my TJ running, does yours require that? It's not the working on Jeeps that I love, it's the way they "feel" that Jeep "feeling" that makes it fun to drive, the JK's dont have it. But, if you are looking for the comforts and 4 doors then you will love the JK, I liked the one I had but I got tired of missing my old TJ's
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Timberline, I have a suggestion. Flip a coin. Heads JK, tails TJ.

I know that seems like a cop out way to decide but what I would suggest you do is not focus on the result but how the result makes you feel. That's what this decision is about, feeling. You're either going to be pleased with the result of the coin toss or you won't.
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I remember when I was applying for colleges and I couldn't decide which one I really wanted to go to my dad gave me a piece of, admittedly callous, advice... he said "Just don't make a decision you'll regret for the rest of your life..."

Thanks Dad!
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Is your jeep paid off? If it is remember your goin to have a payment so u really won't have extra money to mod it..the money you have in repairs for this jeep will just be taken up in payments..I have a tj and my wife has a jku I prefer the the tj but that's just my opinion..good luck in your decision
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I had a JK, now I have a TJ. I had to keep dumping money into the bought new JK. Electronic issues, leaks, rust, engine burned oil. Rode like a minivan, well, it was a minivan. Sorry JK but you had to go. Love my TJ, hated my JK.

People drool over my TJ Rubie, tons of compliments and even offers to buy. People thought my JK was a Liberty. That is right, people do not recognize the JK as a Wrangler, they think it is an older Liberty. I think the flanders, curved windshield and sloped grill does that, and they are right, a JK does look like a first generation Liberty.
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I totally understand the difficulty. And I just want to be clear that I've owned and enjoyed owning (to some degree) a JK. Its just not the feeling I grew up loving. It doesn't have what made me fall for jeeps in the first place. Let me ask you, what is your situation? Like married? Kids? I feel like a JK might be better for some people, where as a TJ is better for others.
This is the same debate my husband and I have been through lol. He wants a JK and was thinking that if we have kids, I could sell my TJ. Told him no way. My baby may be getting old, going on 14 this year, but we've been through a lot.
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This is the same debate my husband and I have been through lol. He wants a JK and was thinking that if we have kids, I could sell my TJ. Told him no way. My baby may be getting old, going on 14 this year, but we've been through a lot.
. Just tell him...happy wife happy life! Lol
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This is the same debate my husband and I have been through lol. He wants a JK and was thinking that if we have kids, I could sell my TJ. Told him no way. My baby may be getting old, going on 14 this year, but we've been through a lot.
That is AWESOME, I love a good role reversal. My hat is off to you. My significant other had a role in me getting rid of my JK. But there just isn't that attachment between a person and a JK as there is between a person and their TJ. If she wanted me to get rid of my TJ too, we'd have problems.
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if your current TJ is getting worn out, why not sell it and buy a different, lower mileage TJ? there's lots of them still out there for sale.
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. Just tell him...happy wife happy life! Lol
I compromised with him. Letting him know, he can get his 4 door JK, I keep my baby, and we get another family vehicle

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