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Old 09-01-2013, 03:18 PM   #31
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On my 04 Tj I have no sub or amp. just the pioneer radio and speakers.
Do you believe by putting just an amp I will get a good sound. I am not a fan of crazy loud music I just one to sound nice and be able to hear it.
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No, putting in an amp will not improve your sound "quality", and might have detrimental effects. If your speakers can't handle the amp, they will likely blow out.

The amp will also magnify distortion, and may add additional distortion depending on the quality of the amp too. Louder is not better.

A subwoofer will improve the sound. You will be able to hear the lower frequencies that you are missing, much like you hear in a movie theatre.
Right now you are only hearing 3/4 of the music. A subwoofer is especially critical for today's Hip Hop music. But, it sounds great with Rock, Pop, and Heavy Metal. I just use a little less at times for Heavy Metal. But, a little bottom goes a long way. If you get one, you will see that the music sounds empty, or unbearably thin without it. The Subwoofer makes the music sound warm and inviting.

A good EQ will improve your sound, if your radio doesn't have one.
Depending on your radio and speakers, A lower THD HU, and better speakers will improve sound.

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Check your center console, you might have an amp and blown sub. If so, amazon has a replacement sub for 14$

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Not entirely correct. The "professional" dealer who sold me the speakers and the amp, knew that I was going to use those speakers with my amp.
They mistakenly sold me inferior speakers for my amp. They accepted the partial responsibility and allowed me to upgrade my unblown speakers for free. I paid for the blown set. In this world its great when your dealer is fair. Not much is fair in this world. I will always deal with Techronics for this reason.
Fair enough, but either way you can't blame the speakers for blowing out if you overpower them.

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The Infinity Kappa's, at least the 4x6 and 5.25 speakers that I had, used passive crossover components, basically meaning that the speaker itself tries to filter out unwanted frequencies. This is why they are unbalanced or "too bright". They aren't doing the job very well. And yes, everyone complains about this problem with the Infinity Kappa Speakers. They can't be a balanced speaker if one component is "too bright".

Compare this with a direct crossover, instituted before the tweeter receives any frequencies. This is what the California based CDT model uses. The CDT speaker, therefore, is much better balanced, and not "too bright".
Yep, the 5.25 and 6.5 use external passive crossovers. Passive just means they filter frequencies after the amplifier. Active means they filter before the amplifier. I don't know what direct is. They are bright because they were engineered that way, I like it. Some don't.

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I am not trying to offend, we are just having a friendly discussion.
I initially felt the same way that you do. This is why I didn't order the Mopar trunk subwoofer box when I brought my Jeep. Instead, I ordered the insta-trunk lid. Then, I realized that the trunk was so small in a Jeep, I can't really put much in it anyway. I can't use it for groceries. So, I decided to sacrifice that little space for better bass. If, as you said, you know how much better the music sounds with good bass, it was a very small sacrifice, with great benefits for the music sound. As an audiophile, I was willing to make that small sacrifice.
I have to be able to fit my spare tire, co2 tank, various tools, and spare parts in the back for wheeling. There is zero space for a sub. If I made something that could be removed easily then I'd have to worry about theft.

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Location is just preference, and the real beneficial component, I think you will admit, is the built in cooling fan. Many amps just use "passive" cooling, and the fan, direct cooling, I admit too, is a much better way to go.

I don't think it is best to have a passive cooled amp, installed under the dash. I think it is better to install such an amp in a place where it can better, get the benefits of the car's AC, and cabin environment, especially on a hot day. Passively cooled amps can get extremely hot, and I wouldn't want one, in my dash with all my instrument wiring and components. But, this is just preference.
I was just making a comment based on what I've seen. For a smaller, lower power class D amp I don't think it would be an issue. I prefer though my actively cooled amp.

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I have no problem getting the tweeter sound out of my dash. This is why I have a good EQ. A good EQ is crucial to any good sound system. You can't blame this on speaker location. Then, I also have 5.25 all around for better balanced sound which you admit is better. If you use an unbalanced set of speakers, how can you expect good balanced sound? The Infinity Kappa's, themselves, are not balanced speakers, you admitted that yourself too. Then, you add different size speakers to compound the problem. You can't blame all these problems you created on bad acoustics or speaker location. The problems were clearly caused by your choice of speakers and no EQ.
I don't see how a good EQ is going to fix this problem. As you probably know high frequencies are highly directional. In the stock mounting location the speakers are angled down. Not a huge issue though as most coax speakers have angled tweeters that can be adjusted. The bigger problem is the exit slats. They are angled down as well, which still funnels the highs down and away from you. Maybe a good EQ will help, bit IMO it's like fixing death wobble with a steering stabilizer. Fix the root problem.

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I am sure that Chrysler tested different locations for the speakers. I am also sure that they choose the best balanced location. They didn't put the front speakers in the door, facing at your seat bottom, or the front kick panel, facing at your feet. They put them in the dash, facing right at you. This is a much better location than other vehicles with the front speakers in the door or in the kick panels.

Chrysler also didn't place the back speakers, all the way behind the back seat. They built a special soundbar and put them almost equal distance from the front speakers. I think this is optimum location.
I don't see how the dash speakers are pointed right at you. They are mounted at shin level pointed down. Rear speakers being equally distance from the front might be best, but also being less than a foot from you head isn't.

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That is great. In the end, it is all that really matters. That being, it works for you. I just hope you can accept that, just because it works for you, doesn't mean that it should work for me, or everyone else.

I think you can see, and you have admitted, that there are things you can do to really improve your Jeep sound system. You really shouldn't blame the Jeep, for those problems. Jeeps are great vehicles and a lot of care went into their design. If you fix those things, like I did, and come back, I think you will say that your Jeep sound system sounds great. Just like I do now and everyone else who hears my Jeep Sound system. A lot of love goes into my Jeep, as most Jeep lovers can understand.
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I went thru Quadratec and got all of my new stuff. I would with the Sony CDX-GT575UP cost $139.99 with installation kit. Plus they have the full line of Kicker replacement speakers. I'm every happy with the full set up.
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Fair enough, but either way you can't blame the speakers for blowing out if you overpower them.
Fair enough, I wasn't blaming the speaker. I think you will agree that the entire problem is this misleading term of "max wattage". I forgot for a moment that max wattage means noting in regards to speaker handling capability and, this misleading term caused me to buy an inferior speaker for my amp.
I forgot. My fault. No problem.

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They are bright because they were engineered that way, I like it. Some don't.
Yeah, many people refer to the Infinity Kappa's as a harsh sounding tweeter, and refer to the CDT as a silk tweeter. If you like it, its your choice. Again, no problem.

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I don't know what direct is.
The CDT's use an included separate tweeter crossover module, for each speaker, that you directly wire before the tweeter, to eliminate unwanted frequencies, before the tweeter even hears them. To me, this is optimum.

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I have to be able to fit my spare tire, co2 tank, various tools, and spare parts in the back for wheeling. There is zero space for a sub. If I made something that could be removed easily then I'd have to worry about theft.
Fair enough, I can respect your off road preference. I like the Off Road too. After all, it is a Jeep.

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I was just making a comment based on what I've seen. For a smaller, lower power class D amp I don't think it would be an issue. I prefer though my actively cooled amp.
I prefer actively cooled amps too. So, we are in agreement here. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a 5 channel actively cooled amp that puts out anywhere near 100 watts RMS per channel, and 500 watts for the sub. I saw the Gothic amp and I was blown away by its power, price and online reputation. It gets a little hot, if I really push it, but thus far it has lasted 9 months. So, I am very happy with it.
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I don't see how a good EQ is going to fix this problem. As you probably know high frequencies are highly directional. In the stock mounting location the speakers are angled down. Not a huge issue though as most coax speakers have angled tweeters that can be adjusted. The bigger problem is the exit slats. They are angled down as well, which still funnels the highs down and away from you. Maybe a good EQ will help, bit IMO it's like fixing death wobble with a steering stabilizer. Fix the root problem.
Like I said, I don't think location is the problem. Fix the problems that we seem to agree upon, like mixed speaker sizes and no EQ, and come back and tell me if you think speaker location is an issue. I think you will then agree, it is not the issue. Also, you will never get good bass response with those Infinity Speakers, without a subwoofer, or an accurate flat EQ response, because the tweeters overwhelm them. Those speakers make accurate sound calibration and accurate sound response basically impossible.
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I don't see how the dash speakers are pointed right at you. They are mounted at shin level pointed down. Rear speakers being equally distance from the front might be best, but also being less than a foot from you head isn't.
I can't argue about the location of the speakers. Like I said, my sound system sounds great to me and everyone else that sits in my vehicle. Therefore, I don't think speaker location is the issue. You agree that you have other issues, not regarding speaker location, that could really improve your system.

It's like driving with bald tires and blaming Jeep for not using bigger tires for better traction. Fix the issues that you know you have and you will have great traction, or in this case, a great sounding sound system. There is no point in further discussing the mistakes that you made, and pointing the finger at Jeep. I may have even been accepting of that option, until I addressed the issues that you have and fixed them myself. It's not a Jeep fault. They are the most amazing vehicles. Excellent thought and design went into their basic construction. Perfect? No. Nothing human beings create is ever perfect. But, Jeeps are the best of both worlds, on-road and off-road. GO JEEP.
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Just won an eBay auction for a new hu clarion nz503. It's normally in the $500 range ($800 retail). I got it for $300. It's a good price


Now that I got the hu, I need an amp, sub, and speakers.
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Here's a shot of my HU and EQ. Jeep Radios are 1-1/2 din radios, so I used a one din radio and I put a half din EQ in the extra space.
I just bought a clarion nz503. How did you get it to fit and open up? Did you push the hu more forward ? Shouldn't it hit something as it comes out without any modifications?
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I just bought a clarion nz503. How did you get it to fit and open up?
I wouldn't try to install this radio yourself. Take it to a professional installer. I would get the single din installation kit first, and then take it to a professional installer. You can always take it to a professional installer and then if you are not happy with the way it looks, you can get the kit later. But, I'm just trying to save you the headache that I had, because I was not happy with the way it looked without the kit. But, I am a bit of a perfectionist, so it maybe okay for you without the kit. The picture of mine, in the above shot, is with the Quadratec Kit.
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Did you push the hu more forward ?
Yes. It must be pushed forward to get around the AC vents when it opens. This is the main reason that I didn't want to install it myself. A professional installer has all the proper hardware to push it forward.

Be careful with that radio. It doesn't have a removable face plate and it might be a target for thieves. Especially if it is $800 retail. There is nothing worse than having your radio stolen and having to replace your radio, window and dash panel too.
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Now that I got the hu, I need an amp, sub, and speakers.
I would put a lot of thought into your speakers and future system. The Polks are great speakers for your current HU. In most places it says the Clarion is 19watts RMSx4@1%THD, which is kind of low wattage for an open vehicle. In other places it says that the Clarion has a built in amp for 50x4. It doesn't say what the THD is at 50x4. I assume it is 10% and related to the loudness button. At 19RMS the Polks DB521 would be great speakers for your system. At 50RMS, you are pushing the limit of the Polk Speakers. Cranking up the Clarion with the crazy 10% THD(loudness button) might blow your Polks. If you plan to amplify your speakers with a powerful amp/sub, then the Polks definitely won't be good enough. I never use the loudness button. It adds too much distortion.

If you plan to add a sub and amp, I would consider adding an EQ too, into your empty 1/2 din space. This allows you too compensate for distortion and allows you to better adjust frequencies with loud volumes. I found that the bass, treble, environment, adjustments on the HU are not enough at high amplified volumes.

I would add a EQ into your system now. They are only 50 dollars. You will find that you prefer using the EQ over the HU adjustments because the EQ is more specific, and clearer. Especially if you press that loudness button on the HU. I would find a display and listen to a few EQ's and check their specifications. Clarion has always had a great reputation for an EQ. They are good frequency responsive and low THD. There are other EQ's such as Boss too. But, I would first listen to it on a display and check the specifications. The Clarion EQ have great, crisp frequency responses at low THD. The Boss looks good, but I have found that they do not have good frequency response or good THD. Therefore, if you choose a Boss, I would suggest finding a display and playing with it. You really want a EQ that has crisp frequency response. You want one that brings the music alive.
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People, it's a jeep, the sound can only get so good. You don't need an EQ for that HU, not in a million years. Adjust filter at 4chan amp to cut out low frequencies to stereo speakers and opposite for mono amp hooked up to sub. Polyfill the enclosure and tune EQ/cutoff until you get decent mid bass without excessive buzzing/rattling from the pods. A lot of it comes from the light covers, I pulled mine, but you could do something different (o-ring or sealant).

You're only going to get so much out of the enclosures and dash speakers simply due to how the jeep is. Alpine F35 is more than enough to punish your ears into submission if set up properly. It also mounts to MDF and fits inside the center console. I have an M55 hooked up to a single 12" sub in the back. Sub was just some 300W DVC 4ohm wired to 2ohm kicker I had left over, amp can definitely push better but it pounds good enough. I get pulled over all the time (4 and counting) playing from high-mid to max volume. I listen to classic rock and country and it's set up for only that type of music (it wouldn't sound good with rap, for example). I have Infinity 52.9i kappa's all around, use the -3db setting. If I wanted to go balls to the wall I'd buy a 500W RMS DVC 4ohm wired to 2ohm (some really good brand) and I'd get the F65 amp with the 90W RMS polk high end 5-1/4in components. Then I'd do custom fiberglass enclosures to replace the pods. But now you're looking at 2grand instead of $800. I only run topless and it's just about to the point where if I could get it louder, I wouldn't be sitting in it while doing it so I figured dropping another 2g into a system I couldn't enjoy was dumb.

Direct line of sight, you can hear it 3-4 blocks away, especially with the duster cover on the back you get a lot of base and the downfiring speaking bar/bods deflects off that too. Good stuff.
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People, it's a jeep, the sound can only get so good.
I don't think you would say that if you heard my system.
I didn't spend 2 grand, I only spent, 1 grand. Check my prices and system in my above posting. I just happen to be more of an audiophile than an Off-Roader with my Jeep. I guess you would call mine a yuppie Jeep. But, that's okay, I still love it, and your Jeep too.

I am pushing 100watts RMSx4 and 500watts to the sub, at 1%THD.
My system absolutely rocks.

I have a very discriminating ear, and I without the EQ, my system sounded dead to me. I am not a big fan of modern Rap. But, I do listen to Pop, Hip Hop, Contemporary, Classic Rock, Classical, Country, Heavy Metal, Soul, R&B and some older Rap. I don't really care what people think, I love "Achy Breaky Heart" and I love, "Devil Went Down To Georgia." I also love Lynyrd Skynyrd and Molly Hatchet.

I EQ'd my system for every genre. I may have to adjust the sub level at times, but that is about it. For my spectrum of musical tastes, you can probably see that a EQ is crucial.

I guess it depends on whether you have broad musical tastes. Being a musician myself, I appreciate a broad spectrum of music.

But true, if all you listen to is Classic Rock and Country, you probably don't need an EQ or even a Subwoofer. But effect driven Classic Rock bands like Queen, Led Zeppelin, Rush and Pink Floyd, really benefit from an EQ. An EQ really brings the music alive. I think Black Sabbath sounds better with an EQ too, because the music is so dark.

If you listen to Hip Hop or Pop, you really must have a Subwoofer.

I guess it depends on your musical tastes in the choice of audio equipment or components that best accentuates it. But, in my "humble" opinion, a good EQ brings all music alive.
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I would put a lot of thought into your speakers and future system. The Polks are great speakers for your current HU. In most places it says the Clarion is 19watts RMSx4@1%THD, which is kind of low wattage for an open vehicle. In other places it says that the Clarion has a built in amp for 50x4. It doesn't say what the THD is at 50x4. I assume it is 10% and related to the loudness button. At 19RMS the Polks DB521 would be great speakers for your system. At 50RMS, you are pushing the limit of the Polk Speakers. Cranking up the Clarion with the crazy 10% THD(loudness button) might blow your Polks. If you plan to amplify your speakers with a powerful amp/sub, then the Polks definitely won't be good enough. I never use the loudness button. It adds too much distortion.

If you plan to add a sub and amp, I would consider adding an EQ too, into your empty 1/2 din space. This allows you too compensate for distortion and allows you to better adjust frequencies with loud volumes. I found that the bass, treble, environment, adjustments on the HU are not enough at high amplified volumes.

I would add a EQ into your system now. They are only 50 dollars. You will find that you prefer using the EQ over the HU adjustments because the EQ is more specific, and clearer. Especially if you press that loudness button on the HU. I would find a display and listen to a few EQ's and check their specifications. Clarion has always had a great reputation for an EQ. They are good frequency responsive and low THD. There are other EQ's such as Boss too. But, I would first listen to it on a display and check the specifications. The Clarion EQ have great, crisp frequency responses at low THD. The Boss looks good, but I have found that they do not have good frequency response or good THD. Therefore, if you choose a Boss, I would suggest finding a display and playing with it. You really want a EQ that has crisp frequency response. You want one that brings the music alive.

I only have 2 dash speakers currently (sub-par alpines). I'd like a nice sub that can kick. I'm probably going to need an amp too. My limit is now around $600 for the amp, sub, and 2 dash speaker (or any other speakers to add). You said not the polks if I'm going with an amp. I'm not too sure what to do cause 2 dash speakers is not enough to overrule the roar of the wrangler engine.

For the record I listen to hiphop/old school rap. And the occasional rock when I'm with family.
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I only have 2 dash speakers currently (sub-par alpines). I'd like a nice sub that can kick. I'm probably going to need an amp too. My limit is now around $600 for the amp, sub, and 2 dash speaker (or any other speakers to add). You said not the polks if I'm going with an amp. I'm not too sure what to do cause 2 dash speakers is not enough to overrule the roar of the wrangler engine.

For the record I listen to hiphop/old school rap. And the occasional rock when I'm with family.
Do you have the sound bar? I believe this is a crucial upgrade for the Jeep Sound system. This is why it was in the "Sound Package". I'm not sure that the engine roar is really the problem with lifted/big tire Jeeps. I think most the noise comes from the tires or big tires, as the engine really doesn't change.

My engine is very quiet and it is a 4.0L. Maybe it being an automatic makes a difference. That being said, I think that 4 speakers is a crucial upgrade.
And, if you wrap that soundbar around your head, it will be a big muffler of road or engine noise. Take out the HU in my system, and you are looking at $700 dollars in parts.

This accomplishes a 2500 watt 5 channel amp, 400 watt molded loaded sub, Clarion EQ, and 4 CDT 5.25 110 watt speakers. More than enough power for any Jeep, lifted or not.

Right now, if you have the soundbar, I would get 4 5.25 CDT speakers, 5.25 adapter for the front speakers, and the EQ. The EQ will give you the benefit of tweaking the loudness button distortion on your HU. The CDT's have decent bass response and silk tweeters. They won't give you the boom of a subwoofer, but they will give you a good sounding sound system. With the 4-5.25 CDT's all around and the EQ you will have an amazing system.

Then later, I would add the molded subwoofer and Gothic Amp. I mounted mine under my back seat. But, wiring an amp properly and tuning it properly is a professional job, and not cheap. I paid $120 dollars for installation and tuning with EQ-4 speakers-amp-sub-HU.
But, once you wire the amp and sub, you will be on your way to the planet Jupiter.
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I don't think you would say that if you heard my system.
I didn't spend 2 grand, I only spent, 1 grand. Check my prices and system in my above posting. I just happen to be more of an audiophile than an Off-Roader with my Jeep. I guess you would call mine a yuppie Jeep. But, that's okay, I still love it, and your Jeep too.

I am pushing 100watts RMSx4 and 500watts to the sub, at 1%THD.
My system absolutely rocks.

I have a very discriminating ear, and I without the EQ, my system sounded dead to me. I am not a big fan of modern Rap. But, I do listen to Pop, Hip Hop, Contemporary, Classic Rock, Classical, Country, Heavy Metal, Soul, R&B and some older Rap. I don't really care what people think, I love "Achy Breaky Heart" and I love, "Devil Went Down To Georgia." I also love Lynyrd Skynyrd and Molly Hatchet.

I EQ'd my system for every genre. I may have to adjust the sub level at times, but that is about it. For my spectrum of musical tastes, you can probably see that a EQ is crucial.

I guess it depends on whether you have broad musical tastes. Being a musician myself, I appreciate a broad spectrum of music.

But true, if all you listen to is Classic Rock and Country, you probably don't need an EQ or even a Subwoofer. But effect driven Classic Rock bands like Queen, Led Zeppelin, Rush and Pink Floyd, really benefit from an EQ. An EQ really brings the music alive. I think Black Sabbath sounds better with an EQ too, because the music is so dark.

If you listen to Hip Hop or Pop, you really must have a Subwoofer.

I guess it depends on your musical tastes in the choice of audio equipment or components that best accentuates it. But, in my "humble" opinion, a good EQ brings all music alive.
I have the (factory) upgraded sound system in my BMW, my jeep is more or less on par with that (quality wise) at the volumes it's set to run at. And it definitely gets louder. With no top, I have wind, tire, and every other sort of noise imaginable. My system can nuke 99% of that without blinking an eye. Again, it's set for a very narrow range of music and for that it works very well. Set once and forget, if I had to switch between a bunch of different stuff, I'd be screwed, but everything I listen to from blues to southern rock to classic rock to country more or less has a similar sound stage. I could maybe squeeze a bit more clarity out with higher power speakers and amp, but most of poor quality I'm experiencing comes from the pods being plastic crap, and the fact the dash speakers aren't in any enclosure. But with the sub (I think is a necessity) and the music I listen to I can send the sub a bit of the higher-low frequencies that just don't cooperate with the pods. An EQ could help me, I know, but in totality, probably not by much.
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Also, why would you use the loudness feature if you have an amp?
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This is the link for the Nalin type adapter that I used to convert the front stock speaker size of 4x6, to 5.25. This adapter allow you to match the soundbar 5.25 speakers for great surround sound. It is a little cheaper than the Nalin one.

Amazon.com: Jeep Wrangler (Tj, Rubicon, Unlimited) Front Dash Speaker Adapter 1997-2006. Converts 4 By 6 Inch Factory Speakers to 5.25 Inch Aftermarket Speakers (4x6" to 5.25").: Car Electronics
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Do you have the sound bar? I believe this is a crucial upgrade for the Jeep Sound system. This is why it was in the "Sound Package". I'm not sure that the engine roar is really the problem with lifted/big tire Jeeps. I think most the noise comes from the tires or big tires, as the engine really doesn't change.

My engine is very quiet and it is a 4.0L. Maybe it being an automatic makes a difference. That being said, I think that 4 speakers is a crucial upgrade.
And, if you wrap that soundbar around your head, it will be a big muffler of road or engine noise. Take out the HU in my system, and you are looking at $700 dollars in parts.

This accomplishes a 2500 watt 5 channel amp, 400 watt molded loaded sub, Clarion EQ, and 4 CDT 5.25 110 watt speakers. More than enough power for any Jeep, lifted or not.

Right now, if you have the soundbar, I would get 4 5.25 CDT speakers, 5.25 adapter for the front speakers, and the EQ. The EQ will give you the benefit of tweaking the loudness button distortion on your HU. The CDT's have decent bass response and silk tweeters. They won't give you the boom of a subwoofer, but they will give you a good sounding sound system. With the 4-5.25 CDT's all around and the EQ you will have an amazing system.

Then later, I would add the molded subwoofer and Gothic Amp. I mounted mine under my back seat. But, wiring an amp properly and tuning it properly is a professional job, and not cheap. I paid $120 dollars for installation and tuning with EQ-4 speakers-amp-sub-HU.
But, once you wire the amp and sub, you will be on your way to the planet Jupiter.
No sound bar.
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Old 09-02-2013, 11:42 PM   #48
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This is the link for the Nalin type adapter that I used to convert the front stock speaker size of 4x6, to 5.25. This adapter allow you to match the soundbar 5.25 speakers for great surround sound. It is a little cheaper than the Nalin one.

Amazon.com: Jeep Wrangler (Tj, Rubicon, Unlimited) Front Dash Speaker Adapter 1997-2006. Converts 4 By 6 Inch Factory Speakers to 5.25 Inch Aftermarket Speakers (4x6" to 5.25").: Car Electronics

Just buy the one from nalin though, he's a cool dude and will put it in the mail quick. Couple more bucks no big deal.
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No sound bar.

Junkyard pick one? You should be redoing the wiring anyways.
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Also, why would you use the loudness feature if you have an amp?
Exactly. I don't use it. But, before I got my amp, I used it. It was then that I realized, I needed an EQ. The music sounded good at low volumes, but as I turned it up, and pressed the loudness button, I said, "Oh No. This will not do. I need an EQ." The additional $50 dollars didn't break the bank, but it made a big difference in sound quality. This is the key word, "Quality". With loud volumes you can lose that "Quality" that you had at low volumes. Therefore, an EQ is crucial to amplified music. Every music studio, I mean everyone, has an EQ. Why? Every theatre has an EQ. Why? Because, it is crucial to good music reproduction at high volumes.
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Junkyard pick one? You should be redoing the wiring anyways.
No, looks as if the previous owner sold her aftermarket setup with trunk speakers before selling her wrangler (I see the wiring). My jeeps in good condition. I just need a sound system upgrade, a hard top, and a soft top come the spring.
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Exactly. I don't use it. But, before I got my amp, I used it. It was then that I realized, I needed an EQ. The music sounded good at low volumes, but as I turned it up, and pressed the loudness button, I said, "Oh No. This will not do. I need an EQ." The additional $50 dollars didn't break the bank, but it made a big difference in sound quality. This is the key word, "Quality". With loud volumes you can lose that "Quality" that you had at low volumes. Therefore, an EQ is crucial to amplified music. Every music studio, I mean everyone, has an EQ. Why? Every theatre has an EQ. Why? Because, it is crucial to good music reproduction at high volumes.
You really have no idea what you are talking about do you?
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No sound bar.
Okay. Well, you definitely want the sound bar for a good Jeep sound system. You can probably find one on Craigs List or at a Junkyard. The Junk Yard way is okay. What I do is go to any Junkyard and if they don't have one, ask them if they have a CB link to other Junkyards in your area. Some Junkyards have a Network Link to Junkyards in the entire County. I found a soundbar on Ebay for your Jeep. You really don't want to pay a lot of money for an aftermarket sound bar. Because, none of them really have great Speakers. So, it is senseless to pay big money, only to rip the Speakers out. You really just want a cheap factory soundbar because you are going to need to rip out the speakers and replace them. This Ebay sound bar should give you a good price gauge in case you want to try to find a cheaper one.

Jeep Wrangler TJ 97 06 Factory Overhead Stereo Radio Soundbar with Speakers 1061 | eBay
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You really have no idea what you are talking about do you?
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I have the (factory) upgraded sound system in my BMW, my jeep is more or less on par with that (quality wise) at the volumes it's set to run at. And it definitely gets louder. With no top, I have wind, tire, and every other sort of noise imaginable. My system can nuke 99% of that without blinking an eye. Again, it's set for a very narrow range of music and for that it works very well. Set once and forget, if I had to switch between a bunch of different stuff, I'd be screwed, but everything I listen to from blues to southern rock to classic rock to country more or less has a similar sound stage. I could maybe squeeze a bit more clarity out with higher power speakers and amp, but most of poor quality I'm experiencing comes from the pods being plastic crap, and the fact the dash speakers aren't in any enclosure. But with the sub (I think is a necessity) and the music I listen to I can send the sub a bit of the higher-low frequencies that just don't cooperate with the pods. An EQ could help me, I know, but in totality, probably not by much.
Well, bring a CD if you are ever in So. Cal. and you can tell me. I would be dead in the water without my EQ.
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Exactly. I don't use it. But, before I got my amp, I used it. It was then that I realized, I needed an EQ. The music sounded good at low volumes, but as I turned it up, and pressed the loudness button, I said, "Oh No. This will not do. I need an EQ." The additional $50 dollars didn't break the bank, but it made a big difference in sound quality. This is the key word, "Quality". With loud volumes you can lose that "Quality" that you had at low volumes. Therefore, an EQ is crucial to amplified music. Every music studio, I mean everyone, has an EQ. Why? Every theatre has an EQ. Why? Because, it is crucial to good music reproduction at high volumes.
??? I don't get it, the HU has an EQ, you're using line level inputs into the amp, the monstrosity of a HU he bought should be able to accurately output line level. If you wanted different EQ settings for the F&R, I can see that, but otherwise it's redundant. The H/L pass on the amp should cover you for adjusting the F&R. If you have distortion it's because of your amp/speakers, not the HU outputting line level.
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The Ebay sound bar I posted at Comment #53 has free shipping too, and it seems to be close to you. You may need to clean and spray the top with a little vinyl black, but other than that it looks clean. If you do spray it, I would just remove the speakers and cover the light and spray the whole thing. It will look great. If you have the wiring already, it should be a cinch to install.
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The Ebay sound bar I posted has free shipping and it seems to be close to you. You may need to clean and spray the top with a little vinyl black, but other than that it looks clean.
I think I should be able to get one on Craigslist for $100. So that would put my cap at $500 after getting the soundbar. I need an amp, replacement speakers all around , and a nice subwoofer (for my hip hop and rap )
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??? I don't get it, the HU has an EQ, you're using line level inputs into the amp, the monstrosity of a HU he bought should be able to accurately output line level. If you wanted different EQ settings for the F&R, I can see that, but otherwise it's redundant. The H/L pass on the amp should cover you for adjusting the F&R. If you have distortion it's because of your amp/speakers, not the HU outputting line level.
From what I read on the HU, I could be wrong, the HU has treble, bass, environment settings, and loudness. No parametric EQ. An parametric EQ is more specific than environment settings. Also, if you set an environment for rock, what happens when you listen to Pop, or Hip Hop? You have to change it every time. With a EQ, you can set general listening parametric settings specifically for your ear.
I hated having to constantly change the environment on my HU. And, it wasn't exactly the way that I liked listening to that environment. But, I couldn't add a little more of a particular frequency. I can with an parametric EQ.
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I really like my Infinity 52.9i kappas, but they may be too bright for rap.

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