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Old 08-23-2012, 09:09 PM   #61
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This topis has become tiresome.

All anybody ever gives as "opinions" or "info" is what they need to justify that they themselves have the ideal Jeep, and not the other guy.
No such thing as an ideal jeep. That's why I keeping dumping money into this thing. Also, I outlined all of the differences between the two very objectively in earlier posts.

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Ok, I was speaking generally obviously.

"All 83.4% of people ever gives as "opinions" or "info" is what they need to justify that they themselves have the ideal Jeep, and not the other guy."


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Ok, I was speaking generally obviously.

"All 83.4% of people ever gives as "opinions" or "info" is what they need to justify that they themselves have the ideal Jeep, and not the other guy."

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I agree, people are very sensitive. I come here for info and ideas but it is fun seeing threads blow up.
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Old 08-23-2012, 09:18 PM   #64
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Performance LJ wins, the extra length helps the rear drive angles more than it hurts in longer wheelbase. I bet highway driving would be a bit better also.

BUT, as far as looks I like the TJ....again just my opinion.

If you like the looks of both equally get the LJ for sure.
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Gonna be your daily driver? Get an LJ. Want to carry gear AND friends? Get an LJ. Want to cruise PCB and Daytona with a full cooler AND girls? Get an LJ. Want a kick ass Jeep? Get a TJ or LJ.
This. This was actually very well said and really answered some of my major questions.

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Having owned both a 97 sport and an 04 LJ I have to say that the LJ is way better. It makes the fun vehicle much more usable. I understand the question on looks and have found that with a 2 inch budget boost and JK Rubicon rims and tires (32's) I think it looks pretty damn good.
That's what I keep hearing. The LJ looks a little funny stock but once you get a lift and bigger tires it fill out it's proportions a little.

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OP - Nobody can give you your opinion. You have to form your own and nobody likes to be told what they have isn't as good as what somebody else has. CJ, YJ, LJ, JK, Rubicon, Sahara, Sport............. Lets not forget, we're all Jeeps.

What I don't understand though is the people who say they would have bought an LJ but it wasn't available. Was it a race? I've bought two Jeeps. Both times I took my time to find exactly what I wanted at that time and turned down a lot of Jeeps in the process. When my first Jeep turned out to be not exactly what I wanted any more thats when I sold it and started the seach over again. I saw several very nice LJ's during my search. I just didn't want one of them. I don't like the 4 door JKs either. Not saying I wouldn't dare ride in one or wouldn't take one if you gave it to me. They just were not what I wanted.
Very well said. I just want one that's been unmolested. I don't want a Jeep with a crappy body lift, a ton of chrome, and expensive wheels. I want to do everything myself, so I know the Jeep inside and out.


That being said; thanks for the opinions everyone. I'm actually leaning more towards the LJ now. They're hard to come by, and look great with a small lift and bigger tires. The parts situation isn't a big deal because I plan on buying most my things for it new anyways and as I saw here parts are readily available if buying new. You guys have been a big help. No need for anyone here to get hostile as I saw when I was reading through the posts. We're all friends here, right?
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I have a TJ and love it I wouldn't trade it for an LJ, but if when I got it there was an option to get the LJ I would have because I would have bought the half cab to make it more like a truck and there is a better chance you'll get a Dana 44 (im not even sure if they put 35s in them) and it also looks a lot bigger when you get around to lifting it. Which is good if most of the time it is used as a mall crawler and is occasionally taken offroad
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Alright, the op has made his mind up, now on the the next topic...cj 5, 6, 7 or 8? Ha.
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Alright, the op has made his mind up, now on the the next topic...cj 5, 6, 7 or 8? Ha.
Haha I wouldn't say made up, more like, looking from a different perspective. But this topic helped a ton!
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Alright, the op has made his mind up, now on the the next topic...cj 5, 6, 7 or 8? Ha.
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The LJ rides better, has a higher towing capacity, and the extra interior room is more than enough reason to go with an LJ. here's mine with a 2" lift and 275/65/18 Duratracs. I get way more compliments with this vehicle than I did with a prior YJ and CJ. (BTW, not the best pic... the vehicle sits dead level all around)
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Hehehe... Just like the old "CJ5 vrs.. CJ7" arguements..
Thank goodness, we have choices folks..
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Both the TJ and LJ are capable 4x4's. I prefer the LJ. 10" longer wheelbase, 15" longer overall, better ride, more storage, D44 rear end w/ Limited Slip standard, 4 wheel disc standard, and damn good looks when done right! There are various versions of "right", and that's another individual choice.

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My TJ is 99% trail or at least rarely driven except to go offroading. Plus it is usually just me now, my wife doesn't go offroad with me and my 21 year old son is no longer into offroading.

So for me, I don't care about having a better ride, more interior room, or more towing capacity.

What do I need and want? The shortest wheelbase possible for the tight & twisty rock crawling trails I prefer. That gives me the best possible break over angle which helps my TJ get over huge trail obstacles far more easily. And the shorter wheelbase TJ is more easily maneuvered around obstacles. For my personal wheeling needs, a SWB TJ simply works better than a LWB LJ would.

So my needs are more about maneuverability than anything else which is why the first Jeep was made as a SWB vehicle in the first place.
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Well said Jerry. This dude always spits knowledge!
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Old 08-25-2012, 01:12 AM   #75
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Well said Jerry. This dude always spits knowledge!
True, but please read the first post and see if Jerry's post has anything to do with questions from the op. Not a lot of twisty trails or sharp cornering needed for a daily driver and some planned long trips to Florida.
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This is ten minutes from my house... I don't need to go far to enjoy the outdoors..
But even on medium trails, Personally I prefer coming down or going up hills in an LJ..let alone the other benefits
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Nice pic Steve. Love my LJ.

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LJs rick stock too... Hehe
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Nice pic Steve. Love my LJ.
Sweet ride. Looks just like mine except..bigger..and more tire-y. What do you have for a lift and tires? Just ordered my 4.25" combo and I wanna know what I'm in store for!
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Okay, don't wanna pick apart your post, but I'm going to anyway. I couldn't make up my mind what I wanted either, so I just pulled the trigger on a JKU, and I'm glad I did...but this isn't about JKs. I had to make some of the same decisions you did, and here are some questions I had to ask myself. It isn't about what someone else needs, it's about what YOU need.

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I know there's plenty of topics such as this, but what are your opinions? For as long as I've been shopping for a Jeep, I've wanted a TJ. I'm not really a fan of the JK. First of all, ride comfort isn't a big issue for short trips, but I plan on taking a couple of trips to PC and Daytona between this coming April up until the following August, I also commute to and from Kennesaw fairly often, about an hour and a half from where I live.
Okay, so you're using the Jeep for a lot of short trips with "only a few longer trips." This tells me comfort (or lack of) probably isn't too much of a big deal, HOWEVER, if you were making A LOT of longer trips, comfort would probably mean a little more to you. An hour and a half really isn't that long. It's not like it's a 2.5-3.0 hour trip or something.

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Realistically, I won't be putting a lift on my Jeep for awhile, and to me, the LJ looks kind of funny with no lift or bigger tires. I would actually feel rushed to do the planned 3" lift and put 33s on an LJ just because of that. Short of my girlfriend, nobody ever really rides with me, me and my friends just tend to meet up. So the extra legroom isn't that big of a deal for me. I plan on doing some minor trail riding and off-roading. I've never owned a 4x4 before so I don't wanna jump right into huge mud pits and such. ALSO, this will be my DD, so I can't break the thing to pieces! Thanks for reading and any info you have to share. Pics of lifted LJ's and TJ's are a ++++!
Okay, so you really don't have any friends catching rides with you, so you really don't "need" that extra space. You also plan on doing "minor off-roading," so the "perfect" break-over angle probably doesn't mean a whole lot to you...but everyone fails to mention there are plenty of instances where a longer wheelbase is also an advantage.

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EDIT: In case you didn't read my first post, I don't own a Wrangler yet, I plan on buying a TJ this coming January or February, but there's an 04 LJ that I'm looking at and all I gotta do is pull the trigger and it could be mine in a couple weeks.
If the price is right and it's in great shape, don't pass it up.

From inexperience, and being new to Jeeps, I've noticed some LJs running around and I've thought, "Something looks different about that Jeep, like the proportions or something," and while I think it looks a little different, it's probably because I just see them so rarely. At first the JKUs looked odd to me, and then I saw them around a bit. Now, they're commonplace and look totally normal to me, albeit, they look far better on large tires; large tires certainly make the JKU look more proportionate to its dimensions.

From the standpoint of looks, I think it's far easier to make a shorter wheelbase model look good than a long one, especially since the tires don't have to be as big, but in the case of the TJ vs. LJ, it's very easy. With larger tires, nobody will even notice the difference unless he/she is a hardcore Jeeper.

I had my heart set on a two-door model UNTIL I compared interior dimensions, and dare I say it, I even got stuck in the back seat of one last summer at the dealership...in 90 degree heat. The saleswoman left me the keys so I could rummage around in one. I gotta say, it scared me; the lack of space, plus the fact I could NOT climb out of the damned thing.

I looked at EVERYTHING on that two-door, and while I liked it (A LOT...), the lack of trunk space was something I couldn't work with. There are large objects I have to carry for work, and are times when I like to load up my guitar and half-stack and hop off to a friend's house for a jam. This wouldn't be possible with a two-door, even with the rear seats flipped over. There are more times than not when additional room would be welcome...

...and so I looked at the four-door. For one, I didn't get stuck in the backseat, which was a plus. Then, I got around to the trunk area and saw that with the additional room, this longer model may be the ideal vehicle for me. It had extra room, it still provided every bit as much fun as the two-door, and with the top off it looked just as cool.

While I don't carry people in mine a whole lot (I've only had people in the back seat three times since owning mine...), the additional space was very welcome. Space is something you never know when you'll need, and the LJ doesn't have that "odd" look of having four doors.

By getting the LJ, you'll not only get the benefit of having more room, but since it still has two doors, you won't have the poser jackasses referring to your vehicle as a "monstrosity," "fake Jeep," or other names.
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Diff casing breakage

I have Jeep Wrangler, 2011 model with 19000km on the clock. The diff casing broke right where it was welded on. I do have to drive on dirt roads, as we live on a farm that is accessible after 35km dirt road, but this happened while I was driving on tarred road, without incident or accident and there has been no oil leakage or any other diff related problems.

I'd like to know if anybody has an inkling as to how or why this has happened, as the Jeep dealer seems to suggest that this is somehow due to something I supposedly did. They spoke about the tyres (which was fitted by the dealer when I bought the vehicle) it is Mickey Thompson 17 inch rims with Hancook tyres. Also mentioned was the dirt roads that I travel on (?????) and that there seem to be a suggestion due to some or other mark at the back of the car the car might have 'jumped' at some time in the past. I drive my kids to and from school in town, with their luggage, but this is my 3rd Jeep since 2006 and the only problem I've ever had was the steering schock on all of them that needed to be replaced at 16000km intervals.

How does a thick metal casing just tear open whithout any apparent reason? And why didn't anything else, like rim, shocks break if the car has been 'ábused'?

Is there anybody that can perhaps provide me with relevant information please....I suspect there is some kind of cover up, as I do not understand the innuendos?
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im definitely getting an LJ after I pay off my TJ. Just so i can keep the TJ trail and the LJ DD. Or if Jeep ever made a 2 DR JK unlimited. I was trying to find the picture of the concept they have made but couldnt find it.
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I've had both. After a few trips and trying to pack it all in a TJ, I was stoked when some idiot thieves stole my jeep and insurance paid off well. I got a LJ and couldn't be happier. Sure the turning radius is a foot or so more than a TJ, but I didn't buy it to make an all out rock crawler. I like being able to go to the beach, or off roading with 4 people, a full size cooler, and have room for more crap. I don't plan on wheeling over 5' boulders, so the belly clearance difference is minimal. I use my jeep for all kinds of stuff. I had a load of 8' 2x4s and a set of closet mirror doors in it earlier this week. Its far more useful than my tj was. Don't forget they all come with D44s in the back.

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im definitely getting an LJ after I pay off my TJ. Just so i can keep the TJ trail and the LJ DD. Or if Jeep ever made a 2 DR JK unlimited. I was trying to find the picture of the concept they have made but couldnt find it.
I haven't heard of the two door Unlimited or even the concept, but there was an Unlimited TJ, I believe, which was longer than what the standard TJ was.

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I've had both. After a few trips and trying to pack it all in a TJ, I was stoked when some idiot thieves stole my jeep and insurance paid off well. I got a LJ and couldn't be happier. Sure the turning radius is a foot or so more than a TJ, but I didn't buy it to make an all out rock crawler. I like being able to go to the beach, or off roading with 4 people, a full size cooler, and have room for more crap. I don't plan on wheeling over 5' boulders, so the belly clearance difference is minimal. I use my jeep for all kinds of stuff. I had a load of 8' 2x4s and a set of closet mirror doors in it earlier this week. Its far more useful than my tj was. Don't forget they all come with D44s in the back.

Don't forget some of these "rock crawlers" actually have stretched wheelbases.
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I've had both. After a few trips and trying to pack it all in a TJ, I was stoked when some idiot thieves stole my jeep and insurance paid off well. I got a LJ and couldn't be happier. Sure the turning radius is a foot or so more than a TJ, but I didn't buy it to make an all out rock crawler. I like being able to go to the beach, or off roading with 4 people, a full size cooler, and have room for more crap. I don't plan on wheeling over 5' boulders, so the belly clearance difference is minimal. I use my jeep for all kinds of stuff. I had a load of 8' 2x4s and a set of closet mirror doors in it earlier this week. Its far more useful than my tj was. Don't forget they all come with D44s in the back.
Nice looking LJ jgorm. What lift and tires you running in that beach shot?
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i have had a YJ and currently have a LJ. i love both but for daily driving and space the LJ is the only way to go.....
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Okay, so you're using the Jeep for a lot of short trips with "only a few longer trips." This tells me comfort (or lack of) probably isn't too much of a big deal, HOWEVER, if you were making A LOT of longer trips, comfort would probably mean a little more to you. An hour and a half really isn't that long. It's not like it's a 2.5-3.0 hour trip or something.

Advantage: TJ

How, exactly, is that Advantage: TJ?
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My TJ is 99% trail or at least rarely driven except to go offroading. Plus it is usually just me now, my wife doesn't go offroad with me and my 21 year old son is no longer into offroading.

So for me, I don't care about having a better ride, more interior room, or more towing capacity.

What do I need and want? The shortest wheelbase possible for the tight & twisty rock crawling trails I prefer. That gives me the best possible break over angle which helps my TJ get over huge trail obstacles far more easily. And the shorter wheelbase TJ is more easily maneuvered around obstacles. For my personal wheeling needs, a SWB TJ simply works better than a LWB LJ would.

So my needs are more about maneuverability than anything else which is why the first Jeep was made as a SWB vehicle in the first place.
Yeah, but the TJ is bigger than the Willys by about the same amount as the LJ is bigger than the TJ so apparently neither the TJ nor LJ is a real Jeep.

I guess I just don't get how you can add everything in Quadratec's catalog to a SWB Jeep and it's still a Jeep, but you add 15" to the length and it somehow loses its Jeepness. (I know you didn't say that, Jerry. Just completing my thought for the post.)

And as for looks...well...now that I own an LJ the SWB Jeeps look odd to me. I know they aren't odd, but it's all a matter of perspective. I see a LWB Jeep everyday so when I see a SWB CJ/YJ/TJ/JK it looks like a Suzuki Samurai.
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I always knew I wanted the LJ, so that's what I got. There are 4 of us, plus a dog, so even the small amount of extra space you get in the back with the LJ was significant for me. I also knew that the jeep would mostly be a street queen, and the longer wheelbase makes it a bit less twitchy on the hwy. I also tow a small boat trailer occasionally, so score another point for the LJ.

I agree that the standard TJ looks nicer in pre-lifted configuration, but that was not a big factor for me. Standard TJ is probably better as a pure off-roading rig, but all I ever use mine for is camping trips and light off-roading, so the LJ made more sense for me and I have never regretted my choice.

Let us know what you get and post a picture. I will keep an eye out for you on the streets of metro Atlanta.

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