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Old 06-05-2012, 01:26 PM   #1
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TJ_Babe is having a TJ_Baby...

Hi Folks!

So, my 02 came without a backseat. Which, till now was an awesome excuse not to give rides to 3rd wheels.

But now, I need one. Specifically one that's gonna be safe for my new little cargo that's due in 3 weeks. lol. I've looked on quadratec and they seem cheap enough, but is there anything I should know in regards to putting a car seat in them? Or are they all pretty much good/bad?

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Putting a car seat in the TJs is a pain in the ass. Wait until you have to move to a convertable rear/forward facing car seat. It can be done but there are only a few that fit and are on the pricy side of things. So very glad that my son is now old enough to be forward facing.

Good luck with it all. Oh, and you'll find that most anchor points that come with car seats now days are a tad too short to reach the anchor point(s) you may or may not have in the back.

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My 2 y/o is forward facing in my JKU and the only issue is she rests her feet on passenger seat. (NOT tall, 50th percentile in height) I can't speak on the rear facing aspect because I haven't tried.

Confirm that the replacement seat has the LATCH (Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children (LATCH) Restraint System* | National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)) System in place. I'm pretty sure it's law but who knows with regard to replacement seats in a Jeep.
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for awhile I used a seat in the back of the YJ, in the center with both seat belts. Right side through the right, around and latched. Same w/the left. It was twice as secure by having two belts on it and it was easy to get to from either side of the jeep.
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Do you HAVE to use a rear facing car seat in a TJ? My wife is expecting and I want to keep my Wrangler!
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:05 PM   #6
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Oh Dear... now you have me thinking...

My husband questioned the notion of putting it in the front seat, afterall, you can turn off the air bag, and if I had a normal truck, that's what you'd do, no?

So far, this is not making me want to even buy a back seat. lol. I'm so tempted to just use his car when I HAVE to take her out. But I LOVE my TJ. The only other option I can think of is scouring the junkyards for a factory seat. I'm not up for paying the $1500 for a fresh factory one from Jeep. lol.
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A rear facing seat is a must for any newborn/baby until they are too big to actually fit in a rear facing seat. As far as the seat belt, obviously the regular seat belts are designed and tested for a much bigger person (full size adult) than the latch system. The issue is proper installation of the seat with the regular belt. Most people don't get them nearly tight enough and use the proper clip which can be very unsafe. Ask at the hospital when you have your baby and I'm sure they will have someone who will show you the correct way to install the seat.

P.S. Yes, car seats in the back of a jeep are a pain in the butt.

P.S.S Rear facing seats in the front are fine as long as the airbag can be disabled. The airbag must be turned off.
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:23 PM   #8
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Hmmm.. maybe I'll just skip the back seat then. If the three of us need to go out, we can use hubby's Toyota wind up car, err... I mean Yaris. I think by the time she's big enough to be front facing, I will have been able to talk my husband into a new unlimited Call of Duty edition. lol.
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Check your state laws .. in MA rear facing with airbag disabled might be fine for front seat (full doors safer?), but forward facing you're probably going to want a rear seat .. adjustable base carseats seems like the way to go for infant, but as they get older - I found head rests invaluable for the side-to-side bumps

my 3yo has been riding in the back seat since he was 2 .. i just use the shoulder belt and the latch in the back (never quite figured out a good way to do the side belt latch quite right on that bench) and he uses the front seat as his foot rest. As for the bench - are the back striker plates for when the bench comes up on the wheel wells? I like that system better than moving the seat belt plate to become a striker
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Well congraTJulations!!
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Well congraTJulations!!
Thank you!!!!
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I am in the same boat TJ Babe, only it's my wife questioning me about putting our soon to be newborn in the Jeep. This was a pretty informative thread, thanks! Good luck with everything.
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I don't know, maybe I'm weird, I trust my Jeep over most cars these days. My husband gets all rain man on me with statistics about crumple zones and stuff. And for some reason, I feel better about her being in the front with the roll cage rather than having her in the back directly in front of the back bumper.. but that's just me. I have full doors and a hard top, so I don't see any problem. I could see if I was driving around with no doors and no top... on the Jeep. Get your minds out of the gutter. lol. I think as long as the law is ok with it, I'm not going to bother with the back seat and just put her in the front (rear facing).
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Do you HAVE to use a rear facing car seat in a TJ? My wife is expecting and I want to keep my Wrangler!
It's the safest thing for the baby!!!!!
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Honestly if you don't even have a back seat and you can turn off the passenger airbag, I would go that route as well would be the same concept of a single cab truck. My wife would not fly for our son to be in the front seat so I had to deal with the car seat in the back. There is no easy way around it. It's like shoving 10lbs of potatoes into a 5lb bag.
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Too bad you live way out on the east coast. I would let you try out my Bestop back seat. It even has headrests so you have more points of attachment for strapping to get creative with.

This is what the PO put in mine. http://www.quadratec.com/products/24277_11XX_PG.htm
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Hi Folks!

So, my 02 came without a backseat. Which, till now was an awesome excuse not to give rides to 3rd wheels.

But now, I need one. Specifically one that's gonna be safe for my new little cargo that's due in 3 weeks. lol. I've looked on quadratec and they seem cheap enough, but is there anything I should know in regards to putting a car seat in them? Or are they all pretty much good/bad?

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Try low back bucket seat bolted to floor back it up to drivers seat use floor mounted 4 point belts worked for me years ago little hard to get them in but very secure once in
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It's the safest thing for the baby!!!!!
No, it's not, a car or suv other then a wrangler is, sorry, but the tj cage is made to protect the front occupants, not so much the back. When it comes time for a child my jeep will become a toy and my kids will be riding in a 5 star crash test rated (for rear occupants, too) vehicle.
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No, it's not, a car or suv other then a wrangler is, sorry, but the tj cage is made to protect the front occupants, not so much the back.
First off congratz TJ Babe!

I too just had a little one. So I would like to see some stats to support either argument. No offense to either one of you but when it come to my baby just because you said so doesn't make it true.

I do have my backseat. Though it's been packed away in the garage for about 7 years now. I am thinking of finding all the brackets and bolts to put it back in. Not based on any facts either but my thinking is that in an accident the carseat would be directly over the rear axle one of the strongest parts of the Jeep.
Not that I would be doing anything to cause a roll but again my thinking is again the baby is over the axle and that would provide some extra structural support. Granted the stock cage twist like a pretzel in a roll (first hand knowledge) but I think it's just as strong over the rear as it is up front.

So before I go through finding/buying all the hardware to put the rear seat back in if someone has any actual stats I would greatly appreciate it.
Oh I'm in an 05 TJ and don't think I can turn off just the passenger airbag.
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First off congratz TJ Babe!

I too just had a little one. So I would like to see some stats to support either argument. No offense to either one of you but when it come to my baby just because you said so doesn't make it true.

I do have my backseat. Though it's been packed away in the garage for about 7 years now. I am thinking of finding all the brackets and bolts to put it back in. Not based on any facts either but my thinking is that in an accident the carseat would be directly over the rear axle one of the strongest parts of the Jeep.
Not that I would be doing anything to cause a roll but again my thinking is again the baby is over the axle and that would provide some extra structural support. Granted the stock cage twist like a pretzel in a roll (first hand knowledge) but I think it's just as strong over the rear as it is up front.

So before I go through finding/buying all the hardware to put the rear seat back in if someone has any actual stats I would greatly appreciate it.
Oh I'm in an 05 TJ and don't think I can turn off just the passenger airbag.
First off you can't shut your air bag off in a 05,
And after watching this, would you want your child in a "marginal" side impact crash test vehicle? I wouldn't.

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Adults may suffer "rib fractures and possible damage to internal organs" but hey, I was driven in the back seat of a YJ from the time I was a few months old and im still normal! (Somewhat ) if you are worried I would look into maybe a upgraded roll cage or even just some added struts to improve overall strength. Also, whenever I drive my 5year old cousin around in my jeep, I put his booster seat in the front and turn the airbag off. Seat belt lines up just right for his height
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If you reinforced the cage, I would be a lot less concerned.
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I do have a beefed up cage, as I have rolled it before and replaced the stock one. Looks like the driver took more of a beating then the rear passenger who hit "his" head on the soft "window".
But thanks for a little proof, and a little more ammo to talk the wife into 5 point harnesses!
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I do have a beefed up cage, as I have rolled it before and replaced the stock one. Looks like the driver took more of a beating then the rear passenger who hit "his" head on the soft "window".
But thanks for a little proof, and a little more ammo to talk the wife into 5 point harnesses!
If you have an aftermarket cage, your probably okay, but my kid will be riding in like a vw passat
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A friend of mine has a 02 TJ and normal factory back seat , I took her keep and baby seat top stare police barracks they installed it for me so it's all legal and safe to there standards , it's not coming out till the kid get to big for the seat
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Wow, you guys have given me so much great food for thought. This turned out to be a very educational thread.

First, Thank you for the congratulations! It's taken us about 5 years to even get to this point so we're so stoked to be having a baby.

Second, now the replies.. sorry for the book.

Hammer, I'm not looking forward to the whole back seat thing. My heart goes out to you. lol. Even the thought of a passenger getting in is horrible.

Zurn and Rand, thanks for the info on the seats. $309 doesn't seem too bad compared to the $1500 new factory one. It gives me something to think about if I end up getting one.

XMRacer and JKaufman, stats are a good thing to have. JK, thanks for the crash test info. I have full doors, so I know the crash tests are a bit different, meaning they are a bit better for the front seat in side impact. It does look marginally safer to be in the middle of the rear seat. But marginal. So I'm still undecided. I have a factory cage, which you're not making me feel so good about. lol.

Jeepwayoflife, haha.. let's talk about old school. I'm from the day when there were no seatbelt laws for backseat passengers and no laws about booster seats. On the way down to FL, we had a station wagon (the old ones.. with the wood panels) and we used to take turns riding in the back and putting up signs on the window like "help me, I've been kidnapped". We lived. lol.

I'm kinda thinking that I might stick with my current setup, skip the seat, turn off the air bag and rear face her in the front seat. I won't be taking her in the Jeep enough really to warrant spending money on it. I think it makes more sense to just use the wind up toy, I mean Yaris, as much as needed.

Oh and JKaufman... wanna see a neat crash test? Look up the one for the Smart Fortwo. Those little shits just bounce like a beachball. Almost no injuries.
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I watch the smart car crash test all the time! Yet they are rated pretty good, yeah until my jeep hits it..
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I watch the smart car crash test all the time! Yet they are rated pretty good, yeah until my jeep hits it..
I wouldn't call that a "hit". That's more similar to getting a seed stuck in your tooth, stepping on gum, or punting a football.

Honestly this whole back seat issue is something I've struggled with for a while.. as to what I'm going to do. We keep toggling back and forth between keeping the TJ and modding it out for 4 wheeling.. But then, he'd make my buy something boring like a Prius or Camry to get around in. Although, it's cute, when he found out what the trade in value of my TJ was, now he's thinking we should trade it in for a new Unlimited. He says, Rubicon, I say COD:MW3 edition.

So now I don't know.. My TJ has issues, but it's paid off and runs "mostly" ok. I'd almost rather keep it for the time being. But I also don't want to put a ton of work into it if I'm going to end up trading it.... decisions.
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You can buy a new Jetta off the lot for $16k. And those cars are a TANK.
Blasphemy! lol. I really doubt I'll own anything other than a Wrangler again. I've had so many varieties of other cars and despite being owned by Chrustler (misspelling is intentional) I've really not seen any car that suits me better. (Although blacked out FJ's are kinda neat). For an 02, it's outlived so many other cars it's age, had so little problems... needed so little to keep up...

And now that it's paid off... It's nice not having to throw repair money into it.. when I can just do a lot of it myself.

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