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Old 08-30-2012, 09:34 AM   #1
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Toe rod help

Hey guys I'm having trouble with my tie rod rubbing my lower sway bar link mount on the passenger side. It's a a 97 sitting on a RE 4.5 lift with adjustable upper control arms. I did the drive way alignment and everything look great that way. Is there something else I'm missing?

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Old 08-30-2012, 04:56 PM   #2
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Anyone???

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Can we get some better pics of the steering setup? Do you wheel much? It looks like the drag link might have straightened out a bit but I could be wrong. It typically has enough of a bend in it to avoid that stuff.

Pull up next to a Jeep with the stock steering on it and compare it to yours. Does their drag link have more of a bend than yours?
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Old 09-01-2012, 09:05 PM   #4
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Old 09-01-2012, 10:00 PM   #5
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Did you replace the track bar with the new lift, or add a track bar relocation bracket? Another way of saying this is, is the axle centered after the lift?
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Old 09-02-2012, 09:11 AM   #6
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Yes, I have an adjustable track bar on the front that has the axle re-centered.
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Old 09-02-2012, 10:18 AM   #7
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I'm at a loss. I only have a 2.5" lift on mine though.
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Old 09-02-2012, 10:50 AM   #8
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Post pics of everything , pitman arm draglink, other tierod end, pretty much anything to do with the steering system
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Old 09-02-2012, 02:30 PM   #9
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Old 09-02-2012, 03:19 PM   #10
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Looks like you have a stock pitman arm, a new pitman arm will lower the tie rod end for example:
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Old 09-02-2012, 03:27 PM   #11
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Looks like you have a stock pitman arm with a lift, a new pitman arm will lower the tie rod end for example:
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Looks like you have a stock pitman arm with a lift, a new longer pitman arm will lower the tie rod end for example:
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Old 09-02-2012, 03:48 PM   #13
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Yes I do have the stock pitman arm. But I have read many other places you do not need a drop on it.
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Old 09-02-2012, 05:48 PM   #14
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I'm having the same prob, I just finished my 4.5 RE and have a drop pitman arm and front trac bar drop bracket, the pitman arm corrects the drivers side but not the passenger side.....
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Old 09-02-2012, 07:58 PM   #15
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I just ran out and looked at mine and I have quite a bit of clearance where you have none on the passenger side. I think others with that lift may need to chime in on how they fixed it.
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This is just a shot in the dark, but is it possible that your adjustable upper control arms are set too long? I'd imagine this would roll the axle forward causing the collision problem you're experiencing.

Concerning the pitman arm drop, it's my understanding that the goal is to keep the track bar and drag link as parallel as possible. A dropped pitman arm would only make it worse.
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It has to do with how the axle rotates forward when lifted, I run a re 3.5 with bilstiens and had the same problem.
My solution was to run crossover steering from searchers and cut the sway link mount off. I then went ahead and threw my sway bar in the garbage. I have 0 problems on road or off. After I finish my cj7 project I'm going to weld some new mounts onto the axle and run a currie set up.
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It has to do with how the axle rotates forward when lifted, I run a re 3.5 with bilstiens and had the same problem.
My solution was to run crossover steering from searchers and cut the sway link mount off. I then went ahead and threw my sway bar in the garbage. I have 0 problems on road or off. After I finish my cj7 project I'm going to weld some new mounts onto the axle and run a currie set up.
Well if that's the only option I will calling RE and seeing what they say about this. I thought I just had some adjustment off.
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Old 09-03-2012, 08:30 AM   #19
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I have seen where the brackets on my Dana 30 are just larger and in a different spot, thus the complications. I racked my brain when trying to figure out a solution.
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Old 09-03-2012, 06:27 PM   #20
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So messing around with my jeep today I'm thinking that I bent well straighten the drag link arm as there is almost no bend at all. Every picture I can find online and looking at my father in-laws they all have some bend to them. Does this sound right? If so what do you guys recommend for replacing other then Currie? This is my DD that gets out on a trail maybe twice a year and will only be running 33's at most. I'm currently on 31's and when time to replace will be going to 33's along with a re-gear or maybe even a rear end swap and re-gear up front.
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Looks like you have a stock pitman arm, a new pitman arm will lower the tie rod end for example:
Not sure how that would fix his problem. He then would also need to worry about dropping the track bar with a bracket, so it's really just opening up a can of worms unnecessarily. OP, I'd recommend not getting a DPA.

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So messing around with my jeep today I'm thinking that I bent well straighten the drag link arm as there is almost no bend at all. Every picture I can find online and looking at my father in-laws they all have some bend to them. Does this sound right? If so what do you guys recommend for replacing other then Currie? This is my DD that gets out on a trail maybe twice a year and will only be running 33's at most. I'm currently on 31's and when time to replace will be going to 33's along with a re-gear or maybe even a rear end swap and re-gear up front.
Yes, that's exactly what I think your problem is. It's hard to tell from the pics, but my guess is your drag link has some of the bend "pulled" out of it. You should be able to tell easily in person by comparing what you have to another Jeep with the stock steering.

If you don't wheel much, do the V8 ZJ upgrade and get either a new ZJ or TJ stock drag link. The V8 tie rod is an upgrade over stock and should suit your needs for now. Both the ZJ and TJ drag links are the same, so get whichever is easiest to find.

ZJ Tie Rod Conversion

The ZJ upgrade isn't very expensive, so I'd do it at least before or at the same time as your move to 33s. It doesn't take much to bend the stock tie rod, especially with 33s.
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Not sure how that would fix his problem. He then would also need to worry about dropping the track bar with a bracket, so it's really just opening up a can of worms unnecessarily. OP, I'd recommend not getting a DPA.

Yes, that's exactly what I think your problem is. It's hard to tell from the pics, but my guess is your drag link has some of the bend "pulled" out of it. You should be able to tell easily in person by comparing what you have to another Jeep with the stock steering.

If you don't wheel much, do the V8 ZJ upgrade and get either a new ZJ or TJ stock drag link. The V8 tie rod is an upgrade over stock and should suit your needs for now. Both the ZJ and TJ drag links are the same, so get whichever is easiest to find.

ZJ Tie Rod Conversion

The ZJ upgrade isn't very expensive, so I'd do it at least before or at the same time as your move to 33s. It doesn't take much to bend the stock tie rod, especially with 33s.
That's what I was thinking about doing, I guess my only other question will be is how likely am I to bend the stock drag link again? I'm a little nervous as to how I bent my current one with out bending/breaking anything else? But prolly not really an answerable question I guess. Would I be better off running the Rugged Ridge crossover kit?
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That's what I was thinking about doing, I guess my only other question will be is how likely am I to bend the stock drag link again? I'm a little nervous as to how I bent my current one with out bending/breaking anything else? But prolly not really an answerable question I guess. Would I be better off running the Rugged Ridge crossover kit?
If the Rugged Ridge kit you're referring to is the Inverted-T style of steering found here:

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/rugg...2-a-99821.html

Please don't install it. You can see in the last post about the issues he had:

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/rugg...ml#post2251965

Necro's experiences aren't unique either, that's pretty much given with any Inverted-T setup on TJs.

Personally, I'd recommend either sticking with the V8 ZJ upgrade, or upgrading to the Currie setup if you have the cash. I'm running the Currie steering system with the upgraded tie rod from Savvy Offroad, and I couldn't be happier. If you're sticking with the stock steering geometry, it's pretty much the best way to go.

No one can say whether you will bend, or straighten, another stock drag link; but you know the possibility is always there. If it makes you feel any better, the typical failure for the drag link is usually a bend near the adjusting collar. Thus, maybe you just had a fluke? Figure out what kind of wheeling you plan on doing and whether it warrants the Currie setup, then go from there.

Until you decide what you're going to do, you can get away with just replacing the drag link for now to save some cash.
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If the Rugged Ridge kit you're referring to is the Inverted-T style of steering found here:

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/rugg...2-a-99821.html

Please don't install it. You can see in the last post about the issues he had:

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/rugg...ml#post2251965

Necro's experiences aren't unique either, that's pretty much given with any Inverted-T setup on TJs.

Personally, I'd recommend either sticking with the V8 ZJ upgrade, or upgrading to the Currie setup if you have the cash. I'm running the Currie steering system with the upgraded tie rod from Savvy Offroad, and I couldn't be happier. If you're sticking with the stock steering geometry, it's pretty much the best way to go.

No one can say whether you will bend, or straighten, another stock drag link; but you know the possibility is always there. If it makes you feel any better, the typical failure for the drag link is usually a bend near the adjusting collar. Thus, maybe you just had a fluke? Figure out what kind of wheeling you plan on doing and whether it warrants the Currie setup, then go from there.

Until you decide what you're going to do, you can get away with just replacing the drag link for now to save some cash.
Awesome! Thanks for the info! Think I'm going to go with a new stock drag n ZJ tie rod set up.

RE also got back to me today and said that it is possible I will have to cut n modify my swaybar link mounts. I guess I will go that route if the new linkage doesn't fix it.

Thanks everyone for the help on this!
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Old 09-05-2012, 08:23 AM   #25
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If you do end up needing to move the sway bar link brackets, Blaine has a pretty good deal on them over at Black Magic Brakes:

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Scroll down and you'll see his raised sway bar link brackets for $50.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:19 PM   #26
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Aight so one last question on this. I was just about to order the ZJ tie rod and stock drag link for my replacements but then I came across this.

Heavy Duty Steering Kit
For 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ, Unlimited & 91-01 Cherokee XJ
Quadratec Part No: 56118.1102
Manufacturer Part No: HDSTRGCR1

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This kit replaces the complete stock tie rod system with extra heavy duty components. System provides the ultimate strength and endurance for serious off-road enthusiasts and rock crawlers alike! Easy bolt on installation.

Anyone have experience with this set up? I just totaled up the parts from Napa's website and going the ZJ route is more expensive. Sorry if everyone is tired of my questions on this I just don't want to throw money away and would like to hear from people who drive JEEPS! Thanks again in advance
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I believe that kit is actually the Crown steering kit, which is essentially a copy of the V8 ZJ upgrade. It's cheaper than getting the V8 stuff separately, so whether that means the parts are lower quality or not who knows. If you are going the V8 ZJ route, I'd probably just get the cheapest option, and that appears to be it.
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I believe that kit is actually the Crown steering kit, which is essentially a copy of the V8 ZJ upgrade. It's cheaper than getting the V8 stuff separately, so whether that means the parts are lower quality or not who knows. If you are going the V8 ZJ route, I'd probably just get the cheapest option, and that appears to be it.
Great! Ordering that today then. Thanks for the help
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Great! Ordering that today then. Thanks for the help
Only thing I don't like about it is the bend in the drag link. It could just be the pictures, but the bend doesn't look quite the same as the TJ drag link. Others have had success with the Crown steering so you should be fine either way, but personally I think I'd maybe look into a stock TJ drag link to go along with a ZJ tie rod.
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I did the crown kit and could not be happier drove it 500 miles to the beach over labor day

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