torx + hinge = :( - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 05-26-2011, 11:46 PM   #1
Jeeper
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Canton
Posts: 21
torx + hinge = :(

so bought all new stainless steel hinges for my 2000 wranger and i got 3 screws out very easily.
Then i got to these screws:


both are stripped.

i put an indent trying to use a flathead on the bottom one but it wont budge...
any ideas how to get it out?

Tyfow is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-26-2011, 11:53 PM   #2
Electrical Guy

WF Supporting Member
 
deathphoenix99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 2,619
Well, if it isn't too messed up, get a hammer impact, other wise you might have to drill it out or use one of those "ez outs". There's a few threads that were posted recently suggesting ways to get torx out and how much everybody in here hates them.

__________________
2011 RCLB Silverado, It's got the power I need.
Wiring Diagrams!
-Phil-

QUOTE:Bugsbb
"You're just about to get a bump and poke back.."
deathphoenix99 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-26-2011, 11:54 PM   #3
Jeeper
 
WhiteSandsJeep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: White Sands, NM
Posts: 122
You could use a propane torch if you can still bite with a srew driver or wht have you. You can drill them out just take your time so you don't damage the threads on the tub side, I have drilled out several with out problem.
WhiteSandsJeep is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 12:03 AM   #4
Jeeper
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Canton
Posts: 21
the screws are pretty rounded out. one good turn and they were done for.
does the impact hammer have to fit into the torx bolt to turn it? like its almost all the way circled out...such cheap metal used on these screws.

i dont really have access to a propane torch at the current moment, but what do you suggest to use to drill it out? what have you used?

edit: also im nervous about using a torch because of how much painted area is around the bolt. I've never seen anybody use on but I figured it could damage the paint.
Tyfow is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 12:05 AM   #5
Jeeper
 
mikes05unlimited's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: wilmington nc
Posts: 485
You may want to take the doors off before you take off the hinges
mikes05unlimited is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 12:14 AM   #6
Jeeper
 
WhiteSandsJeep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: White Sands, NM
Posts: 122
Ha...that is an excellent point not to mention the weight bearing down on the torx screws when trying to back them out. Oh well live and learn right. I personally finished rounding out my torx heads and took a drill bit that fit perfectly in that rounded out head and drilled, I also compared it to another torx screw to make sure the bit was not to big. From my experience it worked great.
WhiteSandsJeep is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 12:23 AM   #7
Jeeper
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Canton
Posts: 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikes05unlimited View Post
You may want to take the doors off before you take off the hinges
i wish this was the case. i had the right side of the hinge(the side connected to the door completely off before i got to these two bolts.
Tyfow is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 12:32 AM   #8
Show Me Your 8008135!

WF Supporting Member
 
s3nt3nc3d's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Piqua, OH
Posts: 3,641
Send a message via AIM to s3nt3nc3d
Go to Home Depot, Lowes, etc...and pick up a "GrabIt" set. They're like $10 and are designed to remove stripped screws. My buddy bought a set one day after I kept saying, "Those aren't gonna work worth a hoot..." and they've definitely impressed me.

You put one end into your drill and ream out the hole with it (running drill in reverse)...then flip the bit around and again, running in reverse, run it until it grabs the screw and removes it.
__________________
"We don't build great brakes because we think you don't know how to drive, we build them for the guy on the road in front of you that doesn't." - Black Magic Brakes
s3nt3nc3d is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 12:35 AM   #9
Jeeper
 
WhiteSandsJeep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: White Sands, NM
Posts: 122
If you have any torx screws that are untouched you can use a brand new craftsman torx bit, they usually have good bite. I keep at least 2 new ones on hand for such an occasion. If you choose to use a torch just tape off the body and doors with aluminum duct tape. If I were you I would use a torch and a new torx bit. Only apply heat directly to the bolt, you are only trying to loosen the loctite that is locking the bolt in.
WhiteSandsJeep is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 12:42 AM   #10
Jeeper
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Canton
Posts: 21
just for future reference what size is the right size for both the door hinges and windshield hinges. somebody said i might have used too small of a size due to the inner paint but I don't believe I did.
Tyfow is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 12:52 AM   #11
Jeeper
 
WhiteSandsJeep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: White Sands, NM
Posts: 122
T-40
WhiteSandsJeep is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 12:53 AM   #12
Jeeper
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Canton
Posts: 21
ok i was good then
Tyfow is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 05:59 AM   #13
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Near Toronto Ontario
Posts: 119
T-40's SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JamesHolmes is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 06:00 AM   #14
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Near Toronto Ontario
Posts: 119
Torx in general Suck!!!!!!!!!
JamesHolmes is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 08:18 AM   #15
Jeeper
 
Shelby427's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Lakeland FL and Hooversville PA
Posts: 2,131
I swear that was Jeep's silly idea of an anti theft device.
Once in never out.
__________________
97 Sahara, 74 Renegade, 72 CJ5, 55 Willy's (the Beast) Boss 302, 6:34 gearing, Bose 901 speakers.
God I miss that Jeep. Forgot the kinda Jeep, 80 SX4.
Shelby427 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 08:34 AM   #16
Jeeper
 
Shelby427's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Lakeland FL and Hooversville PA
Posts: 2,131
Couple of tips.
Try to tighten the bolt first before removing it, this will sometimes help break the bond of the thread lock on it.

Heat is your friend. If you don't want to take a chance with a torch around the area, use heat transfer. Take a metal rod, jamb it into the torx hole, and hold at a down angle. Now heat the hello out of the rod with your torch. Heat rises. And you are concentrating the heat right to the bolt.

Since the bolt is junk anyhow, have someone mig weld a nut to it. Two benefits.
Heat smotes the thread lock, and now you have something to bite on with a wrench or socket.

Lastly call a body shop or machine shop, ask if they have an EDM.
EDM is nothing more then a unit that directs a huge volt/amp short circuit to the said fastener. A short circuit gets hot fast, you can turn a bolt into a cherry red hot fastener in a few seconds. Will burn off the thread lock /rust like nothing you've ever seen.
__________________
97 Sahara, 74 Renegade, 72 CJ5, 55 Willy's (the Beast) Boss 302, 6:34 gearing, Bose 901 speakers.
God I miss that Jeep. Forgot the kinda Jeep, 80 SX4.
Shelby427 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 11:35 AM   #17
Jeeper
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Canton
Posts: 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelby427 View Post
I swear that was Jeep's silly idea of an anti theft device.
Once in never out.
It only makes perfect sense.
Tyfow is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 11:42 AM   #18
Founder, ThumbJeeps

WF Supporting Member
 
sevenservices's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Mid-Michigan/Thumb
Posts: 3,951
I've seen an allen bit pound into a stripped torx screw before... something to try if you have allen bits.

Also, those easy-outs are awesome. I used to use 'em all the time in a small engine shop. I to was very impressed and how good they work. Never used the grab-it yet but its the same concept.
__________________
-Chris
Founder, ThumbJeeps


1994 Wrangler YJ I6 4.0 H/O Auto 3 spd. 4" RC (33x12.5) (15x8) 3:54 Gears
sevenservices is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 11:43 AM   #19
MallCrawler

WF Supporting Member
::WF Moderator::
 
kjeeper10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 36,622
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelby427
Couple of tips.
Try to tighten the bolt first before removing it, this will sometimes help break the bond of the thread lock on it.

Heat is your friend. If you don't want to take a chance with a torch around the area, use heat transfer. Take a metal rod, jamb it into the torx hole, and hold at a down angle. Now heat the hello out of the rod with your torch. Heat rises. And you are concentrating the heat right to the bolt.

Since the bolt is junk anyhow, have someone mig weld a nut to it. Two benefits.
Heat smotes the thread lock, and now you have something to bite on with a wrench or socket.

Lastly call a body shop or machine shop, ask if they have an EDM.
EDM is nothing more then a unit that directs a huge volt/amp short circuit to the said fastener. A short circuit gets hot fast, you can turn a bolt into a cherry red hot fastener in a few seconds. Will burn off the thread lock /rust like nothing you've ever seen.
I am an EDM operator what is this your actually talking about?

And your idea of tightening the bolt before
Taking it out is brilliant. If it actually does move in, you know it's probably going to back out. Better than just trying to loosen it and is going to strip anyhow
kjeeper10 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 12:20 PM   #20
Jeeper
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Canton
Posts: 21
I have plenty of new ideas now.

thanks guys
Tyfow is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 12:22 PM   #21
Jeeper
 
Shelby427's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Lakeland FL and Hooversville PA
Posts: 2,131
EDM, Electrical Discharge Machine/Machining.

Probably the easiest way to explain it, if you took a big old screwdriver and crossed the battery terminals.

The screwdriver, after the spark that scares the doo doo out of you, will be hotter then hello.


Had one in our shop, all in does in layman's terms is apply a dead short, with the selected fastener being the conduit between the positive and negative terminals. Said fastener can be heated up very quickly.

Not as fancy as what machine shop uses but it does the trick.


And since were on the subject of stripped/broken fasteners and broken EZ outs, here's some good info on removing them.

http://www.metalartspress.com/PDFs/R..._Fasteners.pdf
__________________
97 Sahara, 74 Renegade, 72 CJ5, 55 Willy's (the Beast) Boss 302, 6:34 gearing, Bose 901 speakers.
God I miss that Jeep. Forgot the kinda Jeep, 80 SX4.
Shelby427 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 12:43 PM   #22
MallCrawler

WF Supporting Member
::WF Moderator::
 
kjeeper10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 36,622
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelby427
EDM, Electrical Discharge Machine/Machining.

Probably the easiest way to explain it, if you took a big old screwdriver and crossed the battery terminals.

The screwdriver, after the spark that scares the doo doo out of you, will be hotter then hello.

Had one in our shop, all in does in layman's terms is apply a dead short, with the selected fastener being the conduit between the positive and negative terminals. Said fastener can be heated up very quickly.

Not as fancy as what machine shop uses but it does the trick.

And since were on the subject of stripped/broken fasteners and broken EZ outs, here's some good info on removing them.

http://www.metalartspress.com/PDFs/R..._Fasteners.pdf
Lol. I run 4 electrical discharge machines. 3 diesink and 1 wire. Our new one is CNC.
so I know what EDM is. I just am not sure on how you would apply it to what he's trying to do. If you have the part separated from the jeep maybe but unless
there is a portable machine I'm clueless.

I'll check out the vid though not sure what you posted.

Heres a pic of a brand new CNC EDM machine
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image-1710114351.jpg
Views:	50
Size:	72.0 KB
ID:	51193  
kjeeper10 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 12:48 PM   #23
Jeeper
 
Shelby427's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Lakeland FL and Hooversville PA
Posts: 2,131
Same principal, different configuration.

Induction Innovations, Inc.
__________________
97 Sahara, 74 Renegade, 72 CJ5, 55 Willy's (the Beast) Boss 302, 6:34 gearing, Bose 901 speakers.
God I miss that Jeep. Forgot the kinda Jeep, 80 SX4.
Shelby427 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 12:54 PM   #24
MallCrawler

WF Supporting Member
::WF Moderator::
 
kjeeper10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 36,622
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelby427
Same principal, different configuration.

Edit: that thing is bad ass. That's considered EDM though?

Induction Innovations, Inc.
Ah ha, so it is a portable type piece of Machinery :thumbs:

If somebody came it to our shop though and asked if we had an EDM machine to help remove a bolt, I would have been lost.

I've used the EDM machinery here to cut up parts or make holes in parts for people many times "government work" we call it if someone asks
kjeeper10 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-27-2011, 10:30 PM   #25
Jeeper
 
Shelby427's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Lakeland FL and Hooversville PA
Posts: 2,131
Speaking of machining, it's a wonder someone hasn't come up with a grade 8 version of the torx bolt. The problem, along with the thread lock is the dang metal is too soft.
A harder composite metal wouldn't strip as easily.

You never strip the torx bit, it's always the dang bolt head.
__________________
97 Sahara, 74 Renegade, 72 CJ5, 55 Willy's (the Beast) Boss 302, 6:34 gearing, Bose 901 speakers.
God I miss that Jeep. Forgot the kinda Jeep, 80 SX4.
Shelby427 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-28-2011, 02:19 AM   #26
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Near Toronto Ontario
Posts: 119
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelby427 View Post
Speaking of machining, it's a wonder someone hasn't come up with a grade 8 version of the torx bolt. The problem, along with the thread lock is the dang metal is too soft.
A harder composite metal wouldn't strip as easily.

You never strip the torx bit, it's always the dang bolt head.
The bit suck just as much as the bolts. I've gone thru plenty. Cheap ones. Expensive ones. Life time warranty ones. T-27 bolts on mirror bracket, snapped 3. T-40 lost count. haven't snapped but twisted the heck out of them. one is so bad it looks like it fell off a wrought iron fence.
JamesHolmes is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-28-2011, 09:56 PM   #27
Jeeper
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Canton
Posts: 21
ahahaha im gonna cry

Tyfow is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hood hinge torx bolts adkjoe TJ General Discussion Forum 7 04-01-2011 01:44 PM
Torx... Wiegand YJ Tech Forum 17 01-03-2011 08:02 PM
Stubborn Torx Defeated Hondarider TJ Tech Forum 3 06-28-2009 10:13 PM
Solution to removing Safety Torx Screws with bent pins SpartanDrew TJ Tech Forum 4 06-26-2008 01:16 AM
F'N Torx bolts!!! skeez2v TJ Tech Forum 7 01-06-2008 10:22 PM



Download our Mobile App

» Network Links
»Jeep Parts
» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:03 PM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC