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Old 11-28-2011, 08:55 PM   #1
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What's the max I can possibly tow on my 97 inline6 five speed? I've got 4:56 gears on 35's if that helps any...

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The tires won't affect towing. You should be able to find specs in manual.
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If it's automatic you will be able to tow less than if you had a manual.
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Legally, 2K lbs is the limit for all TJ's with the I6. The LJ's can tow 3.5K lbs. You could probably tow more, but I wouldn't push it since the Jeep is a horrible tow platform.
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Just look up jeep+trailer+crash on YouTube. I pull a small trailer but that's about it. Manuals are better but if you have an automatic you could add a transmission cooler. Don't use 5th gear if you're towing. I don't think the LJ is really that high. I thought it was more like 2,700 lbs but I could be wrong about that.
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Its probably best to check with your insurance company. Some will consider it "negligence" if you are over and get in an accident.
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I just bought a pop up toy hauler that weighs 3800lbs. And was hoping I could pull that thing. The trailer of course has a brake system but was kinda sketchy on the towing of my jeep. Thanks for all your inputs.
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I'm planning a move from MO to NM and was more curious about the size of the load than the weight. I don't believe I'll be over 2000lbs but I was hoping I could hook up to a 6x12 enclosed trailer loaded with my dirtbike (and maybe my sportbike if I don't sell it) and the little bit of belongings I still own. I've been trying to research single axle vs. tandem as well and it seems the single is A LOT lighter but isn't as stable behind a jeep. I don't plan on trying to set any speed records and I'm perfectly content with not going over 50mph the whole trip out. I've got a manual trans with the 4.0. I'm positive a 5x8 will not be big enough and a 6x10 may be just big enough to get the job done but may also be just small enough that it will be to much of a pain in the ass to get everything in without "creative" packing.
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I just bought a pop up toy hauler that weighs 3800lbs. And was hoping I could pull that thing. The trailer of course has a brake system but was kinda sketchy on the towing of my jeep. Thanks for all your inputs.
That sounds terrifying behind a wrangler. 1800 LBS over the frames rated towing capacity. Wranglers have to short of a wheel base, and the brakes are not nearly sufficient enough for towing much. Is your hitch even rated for 3800 LBS?

If your set on doing it, no one can stop you I guess. If you are, I'd strongly suggest you tow it around the block a few times.
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I just bought a pop up toy hauler that weighs 3800lbs. And was hoping I could pull that thing. The trailer of course has a brake system but was kinda sketchy on the towing of my jeep. Thanks for all your inputs.
the problems are going to come when you have to stop suddenly. most of the weight of the trailer will be pushing down on your hitch as you brake suddenly. this will cause the front tires to be lifted up a little bit and loose braking power. then all your braking power will be only the rear wheels. in addition you'll loose steering accuracy during that time. not a good situation to be in. an even heavier load could possibly pull the front wheels completely off the ground.
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I'm planning a move from MO to NM and was more curious about the size of the load than the weight. I don't believe I'll be over 2000lbs but I was hoping I could hook up to a 6x12 enclosed trailer loaded with my dirtbike (and maybe my sportbike if I don't sell it) and the little bit of belongings I still own. I've been trying to research single axle vs. tandem as well and it seems the single is A LOT lighter but isn't as stable behind a jeep. I don't plan on trying to set any speed records and I'm perfectly content with not going over 50mph the whole trip out. I've got a manual trans with the 4.0. I'm positive a 5x8 will not be big enough and a 6x10 may be just big enough to get the job done but may also be just small enough that it will be to much of a pain in the ass to get everything in without "creative" packing.
an enclosed tandem axle 6x12 will weigh just about 2k lbs by itself. a single will only leave you a few hundred lbs to work with, maybe 500 depending on your trailer. if i were you i would rent a truck and tow your jeep behind.
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i pull a 6x8' tandem axle mower trailer i haul firewood with. i'd bet it's 3500lbs fully loaded with no t-brakes & it tows fine at 50 mph. don't stop real quick,,& i doubt it'd do big hills well either, but works for me.. as my sig. says,, i have the 2.5l, & it has the 5 speed manual.. i plan on pulling my 3000lb boat back & 4th to the river next summer, so i'd say go 4 it!
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I just bought a pop up toy hauler that weighs 3800lbs. And was hoping I could pull that thing. The trailer of course has a brake system but was kinda sketchy on the towing of my jeep. Thanks for all your inputs.
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i pull a 6x8' tandem axle mower trailer i haul firewood with. i'd bet it's 3500lbs fully loaded with no t-brakes & it tows fine at 50 mph. don't stop real quick,,& i doubt it'd do big hills well either, but works for me.. as my sig. says,, i have the 2.5l, & it has the 5 speed manual.. i plan on pulling my 3000lb boat back & 4th to the river next summer, so i'd say go 4 it!
sure you don't plan on stopping quick but what happens when you don't have a choice?
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an enclosed tandem axle 6x12 will weigh just about 2k lbs by itself. a single will only leave you a few hundred lbs to work with, maybe 500 depending on your trailer. if i were you i would rent a truck and tow your jeep behind.
I've noticed most of the single axle 6x12's weighing in at about 980lbs. That should leave me close to 1000lbs of load weight. I'm about 99.5% sure I'm selling the sportbike (I need the money) and keeping the dirtbike at 300lbs which will leave me with 700lbs to spare.

Renting (anything) is not an option. I won't throw money away on a truck or trailer rental. To me, that is money that I will never see again. If I buy a trailer I can always re-sell it if I need to and recoup some or most of what I spend. Plus, when I get there I won't have to throw money away on renting a storage unit because the trailer will be my rolling storage unit.

I don't own very much anymore, almost everything I own is in about 12 rubbermaid bins. I'm unemployed at the moment so EVERY single dollar has to be used as wisely as possible until I get settled in out there.
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sure you don't plan on stopping quick but what happens when you don't have a choice?
X2. Wheel base is to short for me to consider towing with it an evasive maneuver is not a good thing.
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Well I plan on not going over 60mph since I'm only 2 1/2 hours from the lake, camp sites, and also ski resort in ruidoso nm!! WELL I WILL LET YOU ALL NO HOW IT GOES!!! ASAP
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I've noticed most of the single axle 6x12's weighing in at about 980lbs. That should leave me close to 1000lbs of load weight. I'm about 99.5% sure I'm selling the sportbike (I need the money) and keeping the dirtbike at 300lbs which will leave me with 700lbs to spare.

Renting (anything) is not an option. I won't throw money away on a truck or trailer rental. To me, that is money that I will never see again. If I buy a trailer I can always re-sell it if I need to and recoup some or most of what I spend. Plus, when I get there I won't have to throw money away on renting a storage unit because the trailer will be my rolling storage unit.

I don't own very much anymore, almost everything I own is in about 12 rubbermaid bins. I'm unemployed at the moment so EVERY single dollar has to be used as wisely as possible until I get settled in out there.
ok im sure you know what you're doing and you'll be safe. the weights in my posts were more like guesses. i did have a 6x12 tandem that weighed 1900 lbs. and most single axles weigh more than 980 but there are some light ones out there. is an open trailer an option? you wouldn't have to worry as much on weight.
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That sounds terrifying behind a wrangler. 1800 LBS over the frames rated towing capacity. Wranglers have to short of a wheel base, and the brakes are not nearly sufficient enough for towing much. Is your hitch even rated for 3800 LBS?

If your set on doing it, no one can stop you I guess. If you are, I'd strongly suggest you tow it around the block a few times.
Well I bought a rear src bumper with a tow rating of up to 9000lbs

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Well I bought a rear src bumper with a tow rating of up to 9000lbs
That doesn't matter. At all. The wheel base of the vehicle isn't any longer with it. The wrangler simply isn't made to tow anything. I've had a small trailer. Small.
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ok im sure you know what you're doing and you'll be safe. the weights in my posts were more like guesses. i did have a 6x12 tandem that weighed 1900 lbs. and most single axles weigh more than 980 but there are some light ones out there. is an open trailer an option? you wouldn't have to worry as much on weight.
You are correct....the tandem axle trailers are up around (some over) the 2000lb mark. Doolittle specs their single axle 6x12 at a dry curb weight of 1350lbs. The local trailer dealer by me has a lighter duty single axle that weighs 980lbs dry. An open trailer is not an option either. I will be homeless for a little while when I get out there so I can't chance everything I own being exposed to mother nature or theft.

I'm not at all new to towing in general but I've never trailered anything behind the Wrangler and I've never owned or towed an enclosed cargo trailer so I don't know how it's going to act behind it. I had a 16' open car trailer I towed behind a 3/4 ton dodge pickup for 8 years and also drove big rigs over the road commercially for several years but that does nothing to help me with this Jeep lol.

my thought process went like this when I decided it was time to move.......

1) the only 4 wheeled vehicle I own is the Jeep I've had for the past 8 years and I love it so I'm not getting rid of it.
2) the jeep isn't big enough to haul all my belongings in so I need to either store them here and come back for them, pay to have them taken out there for me and then store it all somewhere out there, or buy trailer and store and haul it myself.
3) I need a trailer big enough to get the rest of what I have into it but also needs to be small enough that the Jeep can pull it.
4) this is a terrible time of year and I'm in a horrible financial position to be making a move like this LOL
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You are correct....the tandem axle trailers are up around (some over) the 2000lb mark. Doolittle specs their single axle 6x12 at a dry curb weight of 1350lbs. The local trailer dealer by me has a lighter duty single axle that weighs 980lbs dry. An open trailer is not an option either. I will be homeless for a little while when I get out there so I can't chance everything I own being exposed to mother nature or theft.

I'm not at all new to towing in general but I've never trailered anything behind the Wrangler and I've never owned or towed an enclosed cargo trailer so I don't know how it's going to act behind it. I had a 16' open car trailer I towed behind a 3/4 ton dodge pickup for 8 years and also drove big rigs over the road commercially for several years but that does nothing to help me with this Jeep lol.

my thought process went like this when I decided it was time to move.......

1) the only 4 wheeled vehicle I own is the Jeep I've had for the past 8 years and I love it so I'm not getting rid of it.
2) the jeep isn't big enough to haul all my belongings in so I need to either store them here and come back for them, pay to have them taken out there for me and then store it all somewhere out there, or buy trailer and store and haul it myself.
3) I need a trailer big enough to get the rest of what I have into it but also needs to be small enough that the Jeep can pull it.
4) this is a terrible time of year and I'm in a horrible financial position to be making a move like this LOL
another thing you could do to help is put your rear seat in the trailer and put heavier things in the jeep.
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As mentioned above the TJ's short wheelbase is it's limiting factor when it comes to towing, not the frame or the drive train. An XJ with a similar drive train and unibody is rated to tow 5k. That being said, you're biggest problem will be stopping and sway. A friction sway bar is pretty inexpensive and would be good insurance. Trailer brakes (surge or electric) would be helpful also. I sympathize with the position you're in. Sometimes you have to make do with less than ideal circumstances. I hope things turn around for you soon.
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As mentioned above the TJ's short wheelbase is it's limiting factor when it comes to towing, not the frame or the drive train. An XJ with a similar drive train and unibody is rated to tow 5k. That being said, you're biggest problem will be stopping and sway. A friction sway bar is pretty inexpensive and would be good insurance. Trailer brakes (surge or electric) would be helpful also. I sympathize with the position you're in. Sometimes you have to make do with less than ideal circumstances. I hope things turn around for you soon.
Thanks, I'm hoping that with this move things WILL be better.

I'm personally not really worried about stopping. I drive like a grandma most of the time anyway and I won't be in any hurry to get there after I start the trip from here so I can take my time and drive overly cautious. I have become very good over the years at using engine braking to do a majority of my slowing down and I seldom have to actually stop at lights (I'm that A-hole coasting to a stop in front of you that you have to go around when your in a hurry to get to the next traffic signal in town). That being said, I understand that things can happen that are out of my control but I feel like as long as I'm doing everything I can to be a cautious and attentive driver that if something unexpected does happen then I did everything I could to avoid it and it was going to happen anyway LOL.

My biggest concern is the sway. I don't want to fight a trailer for 850 miles. I'm hoping that a "light" well balanced load and a relatively slow speed will keep most if not all of the swaying under control. That's why I was thinking about the tandem axle. I assume that the tandem axle would be a more stable platform to pull. That's a guess. The more I look at them though the weight seems to be a big downside. I need to find someone who will let me drag theirs around here for half a day before I go drop any money on my own.
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If the trailer has electric brakes and you have a brake controller a good way to recover from sway is to activate the trailer brakes without using the Jeep brakes. You probably know this, but sway is caused by the trailer trying to go faster than the tow vehicle. So using the vehicle brakes can sometimes make the sway worse. It actually helps to accelerate, but traffic conditions (and good sense) don't always allow that. With the short wheel base TJ you can get into a "tail wagging the dog" situation. Like you mentioned, you have to balance your load and have plenty of tongue weight.

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