Towing Question - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 04-09-2011, 11:35 PM   #1
Jeeper
 
jnich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 34
Towing Question

The maximum towing capacity for my wife's 2009 KIA Sportage is 2000 lbs. I've never weighed my rig, but I'd venture to say that it weights well above 2k lbs.

I am wanting to go to an off road park that is about 2 hours away. I could drive the jeep with its whopping 10 mpg up there or tow it with probably not much better gas mileage. What do you guys think?

KIA gets about 19-21 highway mpg.

EDIT: Just realized I dumped this in the TJ section....The jeep is a TJ, but I reckon that has nothing to do with the KIA's towing ability.

jnich is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-09-2011, 11:49 PM   #2
Jeeper
 
freeskier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Longmont, CO
Posts: 2,541
TJs weigh a bit under 4,000lb IIRC for the 4.0L and just over 3,000lb for the 4 banger. Probably not a good idea to tow it behind the Kia.

__________________
CU Boulder Aerospace Engineering
freeskier is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-09-2011, 11:55 PM   #3
Jeeper
 
jnich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by freeskier View Post
TJs weigh a bit under 4,000lb IIRC for the 4.0L and just over 3,000lb for the 4 banger. Probably not a good idea to tow it behind the Kia.
Didn't think it would be a good idea... yeah.. I got the 4.0 and underside and outside are completely armored... I am probably pushing close to 5k... Hopefully after this next deployment I can pick up a truck/trailer for wheeling outside the local area. (and also for a daily driver)
jnich is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-10-2011, 09:33 AM   #4
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 426
IMHO a Jeep should be driven everywhere. If it is no longer suitable for driving on the road, it is a clear indication that you went too far with the mods.

Building a Jeep for offroad only is a waste of money. It means that what you really wanted all along was a high performance offroad rig such as a tubeframe chassis. I do mean that you wasted a LOT of money too, because a tubeframe rig is so light that it can be towed on a trailer by a much smaller Class III tow vehicle. To tow a Jeep on a trailer you should have a Class IV tow vehicle.

I'd suggest that you either back off on some of your mods, or sell the Jeep and get the type of vehicle you really want to own. Because what a Jeep really is is a highway vehicle capable of being driven offroad. The dual purpose use is what Jeeping is all about.
KaiserJeep is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-10-2011, 09:41 AM   #5
Jeeper
 
nick50471's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Bushwood Country Club
Posts: 13,896
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaiserJeep
IMHO a Jeep should be driven everywhere. If it is no longer suitable for driving on the road, it is a clear indication that you went too far with the mods.

Building a Jeep for offroad only is a waste of money. It means that what you really wanted all along was a high performance offroad rig such as a tubeframe chassis. I do mean that you wasted a LOT of money too, because a tubeframe rig is so light that it can be towed on a trailer by a much smaller Class III tow vehicle. To tow a Jeep on a trailer you should have a Class IV tow vehicle.

I'd suggest that you either back off on some of your mods, or sell the Jeep and get the type of vehicle you really want to own. Because what a Jeep really is is a highway vehicle capable of being driven offroad. The dual purpose use is what Jeeping is all about.
You realize you just alienated over half of this forum.

I am glad you think we are all wasting our money. I'll tell you what.....I will spend my money on whatever I want and you can just keep your IMHO to yourself.
__________________
License to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill gophers at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that's all she wrote.
nick50471 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-10-2011, 08:54 PM   #6
Jeeper
 
jnich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaiserJeep
IMHO a Jeep should be driven everywhere. If it is no longer suitable for driving on the road, it is a clear indication that you went too far with the mods.

Building a Jeep for offroad only is a waste of money. It means that what you really wanted all along was a high performance offroad rig such as a tubeframe chassis. I do mean that you wasted a LOT of money too, because a tubeframe rig is so light that it can be towed on a trailer by a much smaller Class III tow vehicle. To tow a Jeep on a trailer you should have a Class IV tow vehicle.

I'd suggest that you either back off on some of your mods, or sell the Jeep and get the type of vehicle you really want to own. Because what a Jeep really is is a highway vehicle capable of being driven offroad. The dual purpose use is what Jeeping is all about.
I've wasted my money the same way a chocolate lover waste money on chocolate or a sex addict on hookers.

To each his own.
jnich is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-11-2011, 08:07 AM   #7
Jeeper
 
C.L.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: North NJ
Posts: 2,034
Forget all the philosophical discussion on whether a Jeep should be driven vs. hauled to your wheeling site; it would just be an affront to pull it behind an effin' Kia! You'd have to blindfold the Jeep just to get it on the trailer for god's sake...
C.L. is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-11-2011, 08:14 AM   #8
Jeeper
 
UnlimitedLJ04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 7,327
no you shouldn't use a Kia Sportage to tow a TJ that weighs more than double the towing capacity of the Sportage.

buy a 3/4 or 1 ton diesel truck, then you're on to something that could get good mileage on the highway while towing a Jeep.
UnlimitedLJ04 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-11-2011, 08:16 AM   #9
Jeeper
 
rbloodhound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Crowville Louisiana
Posts: 450
I can understand wanting to tow it. If it breaks he is stuck.

As far as mods I'll build my jeep how I want it. Right now it has 6" lift and 35" tires. I am at work 800 miles from home. I drove the jeep. When I wheel it it is towed.
__________________
Robert
05 TJ unlimited, Slightly Modified
http://s183.photobucket.com/home/aaoffroad/index
rbloodhound is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-11-2011, 12:39 PM   #10
Jeeper

WF Supporting Member
 
6InARowMakesItGo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: right behind you
Posts: 1,863
the towing capacity of the kia, or the jeep for that matter, is enough to pull an empty trailer thats large enough to hold a vehicle. so no you can't tow your jeep with the kia safely.
__________________
2003 Rubicon, 4.0L, 5SPD, Custom 4.75" lift, 33" MT Baja Claws
1999 SE, 2.5L, 5SPD, sold it
PM me for wheeling in and around Northern Illinois
6InARowMakesItGo is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-11-2011, 12:44 PM   #11
Jeeper
 
freeskier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Longmont, CO
Posts: 2,541
Quote:
Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04
no you shouldn't use a Kia Sportage to tow a TJ that weighs more than double the towing capacity of the Sportage.

buy a 3/4 or 1 ton diesel truck, then you're on to something that could get good mileage on the highway while towing a Jeep.
Ford ecoboost FTW. Somehow I got stuck watching their promotional show. Sold me on it, if I ever need a truck
__________________
CU Boulder Aerospace Engineering
freeskier is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-11-2011, 01:08 PM   #12
Jeeper
 
KawiMonsterSahara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: DFW
Posts: 416
"Join Date: Mar 2011"


Poor widdle new guy.... just opened a whole new can...
__________________
OIF 08-01 Marine Veteran
"'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing'' --Edmund Burke

My OTHER vehicle is a 2000 Kawasaki Ninja ZX6R
KawiMonsterSahara is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-11-2011, 01:11 PM   #13
Jeeper

WF Supporting Member
 
TexasT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Texas Hill Country
Posts: 754
Quote:
Originally Posted by freeskier

Ford ecoboost FTW. Somehow I got stuck watching their promotional show. Sold me on it, if I ever need a truck
Ha Ha. I saw that too. Chrysler has come out with a power 6 too and it's supposed to be in new Wranglers soon.

BTW...NO you should not pull it with a Kia. If there was an accident your liability would be completely your own since you're going against mfg's specs.
__________________
1999 Sahara
D30 w/powertrax no-slip,D35 w/ultimate 35 upgrade OX locker,4.56 gears,Air on Board, Mile Marker Winch
Warn Lockout Hubs

FIVE GRANDCHILDREN!!!!
TexasT is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-11-2011, 01:12 PM   #14
Jeeper
 
KawiMonsterSahara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: DFW
Posts: 416
Quote:
Originally Posted by C.L. View Post
... it would just be an affront to pull it behind an effin' Kia! You'd have to blindfold the Jeep just to get it on the trailer for god's sake...
OMG i just laughed SOOOO HARD... i probably just got myself in trouble (at work right now).....
__________________
OIF 08-01 Marine Veteran
"'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing'' --Edmund Burke

My OTHER vehicle is a 2000 Kawasaki Ninja ZX6R
KawiMonsterSahara is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-11-2011, 01:13 PM   #15
Jeeper
 
NHrubicon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 844
Images: 1
my 2003 rubicon is completely armored, end to end, custom solid steel box and tube bumpers, Warn winch...and I have weighed it on scales at the local recycling center-just about 3600#, and that's with 33 x 12 x 15 Cepek Crushers on 15 x 8 steel rims.
So the TJ that's fully armored wouldn't be over 4000# unless you have 3-4 hefty people riding in it.
And No, I would not tow behind a KIA...I would tow the Kia and use it for a speed bump out on the trail...LOL. Nothing you can do-except get lousy mileage on your way to and from the trail. But you should be getting better than 10 mpg...
NHrubicon is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-11-2011, 01:16 PM   #16
The Rogue Moderator

::WF Moderator::
 
Cons_Table's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Ridgecrest, CA
Posts: 7,555
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaiserJeep View Post
IMHO a Jeep should be driven everywhere. If it is no longer suitable for driving on the road, it is a clear indication that you went too far with the mods.

Building a Jeep for offroad only is a waste of money. It means that what you really wanted all along was a high performance offroad rig such as a tubeframe chassis. I do mean that you wasted a LOT of money too, because a tubeframe rig is so light that it can be towed on a trailer by a much smaller Class III tow vehicle. To tow a Jeep on a trailer you should have a Class IV tow vehicle.

I'd suggest that you either back off on some of your mods, or sell the Jeep and get the type of vehicle you really want to own. Because what a Jeep really is is a highway vehicle capable of being driven offroad. The dual purpose use is what Jeeping is all about.
I dont think he said the jeep WASNT suitable for the road and why would you question someone else's mods? They arent spending your money
__________________
Poor Boy Racing The definition of the EVERYMAN Challenge!

Everyman Challenge XJ Build
Cons_Table is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-11-2011, 02:54 PM   #17
tar
Jeeper
 
tar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: WI
Posts: 34
haha this thread made me laugh pretty hard. if you're against using jeeps for offroading all together, don't bother joining this forum because that's what 99% of the talk on here is about...
__________________
It's not quantity, it's quality.
tar is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-11-2011, 03:03 PM   #18
Jeeper
 
UnlimitedLJ04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 7,327
Quote:
Originally Posted by freeskier View Post
Ford ecoboost FTW. Somehow I got stuck watching their promotional show. Sold me on it, if I ever need a truck
yea, I saw that promo too. I want that engine in my Jeep. the torque curve is amazing!

Too bad Jeep isn't owned by Ford...I bet that motor would fit nicely in a JK
UnlimitedLJ04 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-11-2011, 03:59 PM   #19
Jeeper
 
freeskier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Longmont, CO
Posts: 2,541
Quote:
Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 View Post
yea, I saw that promo too. I want that engine in my Jeep. the torque curve is amazing!

Too bad Jeep isn't owned by Ford...I bet that motor would fit nicely in a JK
I was thinking how amazing it would be in the Jeep as well, plus you would get better MPGs and performance. All though if we're being realistic here, there just some things a truck can do that a Jeep can't (towing, cargo space). It would be awesome to have both the new F-150 and ecoboost engine in the Jeep.

The engine makes more torque at 1000 RPM than the 4.0 does at it's highest peak! Then like well over 400lb/ft around 2500RPM.

My new dream is to put that engine in my Jeep.

Sorry to derail, but this thread isn't going anywhere anymore.
__________________
CU Boulder Aerospace Engineering
freeskier is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-11-2011, 04:12 PM   #20
Newb
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by freeskier View Post
The engine makes more torque at 1000 RPM than the 4.0 does at it's highest peak! Then like well over 400lb/ft around 2500RPM.

My new dream is to put that engine in my Jeep.

Sorry to derail, but this thread isn't going anywhere anymore.
Bah, my CTD gets 600lb/ft at 1500 RPM and I get 20 MPG on the highway. I also get 16MPG towing a 12-15k trailer on the highway...
Something tells me that the 6.7 Cummings will not fit in a TJ no matter how hard you tried though.
2010 Ram 3500 SRW Crew cab.
** I need a trailer to haul my Jeep to the trails. I still DD my Jeep, but have to be conservative with it on the trails because the closest ORV park is 2 hours away...
Destro is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-11-2011, 04:26 PM   #21
Jeeper
 
freeskier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Longmont, CO
Posts: 2,541
Quote:
Originally Posted by Destro View Post
Bah, my CTD gets 600lb/ft at 1500 RPM and I get 20 MPG on the highway. I also get 16MPG towing a 12-15k trailer on the highway...
Something tells me that the 6.7 Cummings will not fit in a TJ no matter how hard you tried though.
2010 Ram 3500 SRW Crew cab.
** I need a trailer to haul my Jeep to the trails. I still DD my Jeep, but have to be conservative with it on the trails because the closest ORV park is 2 hours away...
Yeah, but 400lb/ft isn't to shabby for a gasoline engine, compared to a diesel.

I also went on Wikipedia and they're saying a V8 engine is rumored, codename "Bobcat".
__________________
CU Boulder Aerospace Engineering
freeskier is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-12-2011, 08:21 AM   #22
Electrical Guy

WF Supporting Member
 
deathphoenix99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 2,619
I don't even think the Kia would have the power to tow something that heavy, especially being an automatic most likely, your tranny will be fryed by the time it even made it there.

deathphoenix99 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
towing question texasredneck TJ General Discussion Forum 6 05-03-2010 12:21 PM
Towing question... mistert TJ General Discussion Forum 6 03-27-2010 10:02 AM
6sp shift question rico334 TJ Tech Forum 15 12-13-2009 09:08 PM
Locker / Flat towing question: Unlimited General Jeep Discussion 1 03-09-2007 01:29 PM



» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:40 AM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC