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Old 01-20-2011, 11:21 PM   #1
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track bar installation help

About five years ago I had the death wobble on my stock 04 TJ and after replacing a few things the dealership finally replaced the track bar which fixed it.
Their mechanics had never heard of the DW so I actually told them to check out this site to see that most people said it was most likely the track bar.
Now the warranty's expired and I've recently noticed it returning and I want to replace the track bar before it gets too bad.
Is it really as easy as it looks? It seems you just drop the old one, stick the new one in and crank it down.
I got under the Jeep and made sure everything was tight and I did not see anything that looked bad so I'm guessing it's the track bar again.
And would you recommend replacing the steering stabilizer while I'm at it?

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Old 01-21-2011, 06:54 AM   #2
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Old 01-21-2011, 08:21 AM   #3
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X2 on a Tie Rod End removal tool. They're inexpensive and easy to use. A lot of auto parts chains loan tools for free too. TRE removal is usually around 30 bucks. The track bar has a nut/bolt on one end and a TRE type connection on the other. Easy to change with the right tools.
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Old 01-21-2011, 08:26 AM   #4
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TIE RODS don't go bad...unless you bend them or break them. It's the tie rod ENDS that get worn out. Check those out first before you spend all the bucks on a new tie rod. And if you really want to replace the tie rod...since it's the second time around and apparently you wear them out...invest in a Currie tie rod. Beefier, heavier, tie rod ends are heavier and last longer also.
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Old 01-21-2011, 08:30 AM   #5
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Agree on the tie rod...but the OP is talking about his track bar. 
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Have a buddy turn the steering wheel back and forth while you are under the Jeep. (engine off of course). You should be able to see movement somewhere and determine where the problem is. For my Jeep, it is always the trackbar end at the frame. Even though it has a cotter pin through the nut and rod, does not mean it will remain tight. I have to re-torque mine a couple times a year when I start to feel a slight wobble at around 40mph. I have an adj. trackbar on mine, but it did it with the stock one too.
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Old 04-11-2011, 06:08 PM   #7
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I finally bought the track bar today and with the help of a neighbor we removed the old one and put the new one on in about 15 minutes. It was really easy. Advance Discount Auto Parts loaned me a pickle fork.
So far (fingers crossed) the death wabble seems to be gone. It's riding so good right now. I had gotten so used to the shimmy that I'd almost forgotten that just because it's a Jeep does not mean it has to ride like shizz.
I'm gonna get a Rancho steering stabilizer next. My old one stock one may be okay but it looks like crap.
Thanks for the help!
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Old 04-11-2011, 06:18 PM   #8
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Before buying anything, do a few preliminary checks to see if something is moving that shouldn't be.

With the tires on the ground, carefully study and watch the front steering system while a helper repeatedly turns the steering wheel back and forth. There should be zero lateral/side-to-side movement inside of any of the joints, bushings, or mounts. Especially check the trackbar's passenger-side mount for any (!) side-to-side movement whatsoever.

And as any mechanic who is used to working with the type of tapered stud joints that the TJ uses knows, you don't need a tie-rod puller to separate any of the front-end's joints. I semi-regularly take TJ front-ends apart to help others and have never needed a tie-rod puller. In fact, the below technique I was taught years ago is a LOT faster and needs no special tools.

Simply take a BFH and give the SIDE of where the tapered joints pass through and if you do it right, the joint will pop apart with just a few hard raps. For those who can't make the technique work and deny it works, you're simply not doing it right.

DO NOT hit the tapered stud or castleated nut itself. No matter how bad the temptation is. Hitting the stud or castleated nut on the stud will simply help fatten the stud and make it an even tighter fit.

Here are a few examples of where to hit it to pop the joint apart...
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Thanks for the pics, Jerry. When I installed my lift I too used a pickle fork borrowed from autozone. Now I will use my BFH.
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ok so ive been looking at tie rod ends online trying to replace mine but i come across the right hand and left hand threads whats the difference and what do i need for my jeep looking to do all of them
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ok so ive been looking at tie rod ends online trying to replace mine but i come across the right hand and left hand threads whats the difference and what do i need for my jeep looking to do all of them
There is a left and right hand thread on your tie rod and drag link. When you loosen the jamb nuts on the tie rod to adjust your toe in/out, it will either push the front of the tires in or out, depending on which way you twist the tie rod itself. If they had the same threads, the tie rod would just move left and right on the ends and not adjust the toe at all. IMHO, tie rods should be replaced as a pair anyways, so will will need one of each.

And the BFH is ALOT better than a pickle fork or tie rod tool. The pickle forks tear the TRE boots and the tool is usually more of a hassle.
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Old 04-11-2011, 07:35 PM   #12
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ok so which side is which or does it now matter just a righty and a lefty for the tie rod
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Yep, that is the joint that leaks grease after the picklefork. Was the only leak until I noticed front pinion seepage.
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With it being a new track bar I did not care if the old boot broke.
Having never messed with tie rod ends I was surprised at how easy it popped of with just a couple hits on the pickle fork.

I'll do that inspection tomorrow Jerry. Thanks
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Was wondering if anyone had a Link to a site that gives step by step on replacing The track bar. I have a 2004 Wrangler and i am going to replace it myself.
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Was wondering if anyone had a Link to a site that gives step by step on replacing The track bar. I have a 2004 Wrangler and i am going to replace it myself.
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1. Park on level pavement.
2. Remove the frame side.
3. Remove the axle side.
4. Install frame side & torque to 60 ft-lbs.
5. Install axle side & torque to 40 ft-lbs.
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And to add one item to the above list, replace the frame side torx bolt with a grade 8 bolt, as Jerry suggests.

OK two things. When you have the bar out, look at the holes in the frame side mount. If they are egg shaped, you can tighten the bolt till you are blue in the face, and it will still allow the bar to move.
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And to add one item to the above list, replace the frame side torx bolt with a grade 8 bolt, as Jerry suggests.
If you're going to replace the bolt, I prefer a Class 12.9 M10 socket head cap screw...its stronger than the Grade 8
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So I basically need a tool that will tell me torque?

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