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Old 01-30-2013, 01:51 PM   #1
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Trail Carnage with fix

Not sure if a thread like this exists, but I feel it could be a good tool. Have you ever had anything break on the trail (please post pics) and were you able to limp out, do a quick fix or completely screwed

The part I am trying to focus on here is what did you do to get out?

The pic attached is my buddies '03 Rubi he sunk at Rausch Creek on the Sunken Treasure Trail. We had to winch him out, pull the plugs and the air filter. Luckily we had an air mattress pump to blow dry the air filter. We removed the spark plugs and turned the engine over multiple times to spit out as much water out as we possibly could. When it started smelling like gas, we dried everything off put the plugs back in, filter back in and it took three tries to get her to fire back up. we headed str8 to a station where a guy was doing some work for a buddy on a saturday evening and paid him kindly to change the oil. 1st quart and a half was straight muddy water.

Good thing we didnt listen to the smarty pants all around us saying whatever you do, do not turn the engine off!!! Told my buddy to cut it off as soon as I saw water reaching the hood. Lesson learned for those that visit RC. If its an un-named puddle its up to 3ft. if its a named puddle its up to 5 feet and if it says really deep, this shit is deep or something along those lines its over 5 feet deep. All in all a great day, could have been better had we not gone looking for treasure!
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Looks like a fun day.

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Wow, at least it sounds like the engine will be ok. I am SO glad we don't have deep water around here to have to fool with. Carnage is a way of life out here in the southwest, I've spend more than my share of 3+ hour repair sessions after breaking multiple parts at once.
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Wow, at least it sounds like the engine will be ok. I am SO glad we don't have deep water around here to have to fool with. Carnage is a way of life out here in the southwest, I've spend more than my share of 3+ hour repair sessions after breaking multiple parts at once.
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:30 PM   #5
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Nice save and some good quick thinking. I have a trail fix but no picks. We were doing some light wheeling when my buddies 92? Wrangler lost one of the rear axle shims and got cocked on one side. (Wheel was into the rear part of tub and driveshaft was out of transfer case.) well I didn't have my winch on my jeep so I took a come a long with me plus my high lift along with a few other tool we had in our group. Well long story short we used the come a long to pull the driver side rear axle back into place once we loosened the shackles. I think we anchored it to the front bumper? Or a tie down point on the frame, really can't remember but it worked. Hope this can also help someone out one day. It was a great showing of what jeep buddies will do for one another, we had about 5 different people lending a hand.
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:46 PM   #6
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we headed str8 to a station where a guy was doing some work for a buddy on a saturday evening and paid him kindly to change the oil. 1st quart and a half was straight muddy water.
Remember two things if that happens again:
1.) Oil floats.
2.) Your oil pickup tube is in the lowest part of the oil pan.

If you pull a Chadwick, winch it out and let it sit for 20 minutes before doing anything other than cleaning the air filter and maybe pulling the plugs. BEFORE you try turning it over to clear the cylinders, pull the oil drain plug and watch the stream. 95% of the water will be settled to the bottom of the pan and will pour out first. When the stream changes to mostly oil, put the plug back in and then continue with the rest of your troubleshooting. That will keep you from pumping muddy water through your top end while trying to clear the cylinders.
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Did someone have a snorkel or scuba to hook up the winch?? :-)
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Remember two things if that happens again:
1.) Oil floats.
2.) Your oil pickup tube is in the lowest part of the oil pan.

If you pull a Chadwick, winch it out and let it sit for 20 minutes before doing anything other than cleaning the air filter and maybe pulling the plugs. BEFORE you try turning it over to clear the cylinders, pull the oil drain plug and watch the stream. 95% of the water will be settled to the bottom of the pan and will pour out first. When the stream changes to mostly oil, put the plug back in and then continue with the rest of your troubleshooting. That will keep you from pumping muddy water through your top end while trying to clear the cylinders.
This sounds like a great idea for those who like to play in water.
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Please share!
In about a 10' stretch of a rocky desert trail, a control arm bolt broke shifting the axle, tore off the upper rear control arm mount where it was welded to the axle, broke the rear pinion yoke, broke the rear driveshaft in 2 places, tore a lower control arm mount nearly off the frame, and broke a rear wheel. It's a good thing someone stopped by with a welder & I had some spare parts. It took parts from two borrowed driveshafts to make one good one I could drive on. Not to mention it was probably 100 degrees & I had a good size desert Chuckwalla lizard run up my body & park on my face while I was underneath wrenching.
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had a rear u joint rattle loose on my driveshaft (the shop that installed it put the wrong size up) drive shaft dropped out the rear axle. I was able to limp home with 2wd front drive only, but was worrisome for me as I was 16 in my first car my ol xj
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Nothing too crazy but the last time we were out my buddy invited his cousin and his 2wd tacoma. We were doing the Cleghorn trail off of the I-15 and long story short, he shattered a driveshaft u-joint bouncing up a hill and we had only brought tools that fit our jeeps. We had to make a sling for the driveshaft out of a heavy duty zip tie and some duct tape since we couldn't pull it off. We then had to tow him through the rest of the trail via bypasses. Needless to say, a nice assortment of metric sized wrenches made it into the Jeep's toolbag later that day.
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Nothing too crazy but the last time we were out my buddy invited his cousin and his 2wd tacoma. We were doing the Cleghorn trail off of the I-15 and long story short, he shattered a driveshaft u-joint bouncing up a hill and we had only brought tools that fit our jeeps. We had to make a sling for the driveshaft out of a heavy duty zip tie and some duct tape since we couldn't pull it off. We then had to tow him through the rest of the trail via bypasses. Needless to say, a nice assortment of metric sized wrenches made it into the Jeep's toolbag later that day.
maybe you should suggest he carry tools to fit his own truck?
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For those thinking the Wrangler TJ is built with SAE hardware, I hate to say it but probably over half of the hardware is metric... so ya gotta carry both SAE and metric tools. The drivetrain is mostly but not all SAE, and the rest of the Jeep is mostly but not all metric.
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For those thinking the Wrangler TJ is built with SAE hardware, I hate to say it but probably over half of the hardware is metric... so ya gotta carry both SAE and metric tools. The drivetrain is mostly but not all SAE, and the rest of the Jeep is mostly but not all metric.
Yeah...shouldn't be a problem now, there's a whole mess of metrics in the Jeep now. Everything I had to fix before on it was SAE and I was about halfway through compiling my trail fix survival kit. Not like he could have driven out anyway, he didn't have a spare u-joint (now he carries one).
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Yeah...shouldn't be a problem now, there's a whole mess of metrics in the Jeep now. Everything I had to fix before on it was SAE and I was about halfway through compiling my trail fix survival kit. Not like he could have driven out anyway, he didn't have a spare u-joint (now he carries one).
10,15,18 mm thats about all you'll need in metric for a tj. 13 is the same as 1/2" 14 is so close to 9/16" they usually transfer
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I was offroading with a friend in his 2500hd. He tried to drive up a jeep trail and broke a tie rod. We conned a friend to run to the dealer, buy the part, then drive 3 hours to deliver it to us. We bolted it up with an eyeball alignment and made it to the road. We did a "proper" alignment with a piece of string and drove 100+ miles home. So.. keep a piece of string, or better yet a measuring tape in the jeep tool bag.
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Good call on the oil floats...
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10,15,18 mm thats about all you'll need in metric for a tj. 13 is the same as 1/2" 14 is so close to 9/16" they usually transfer
Yeah, but I wheel with lots of guys that either don't carry tools or don't have Jeeps. Plus you never know who you can help out on the trail.
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Yeah, but I wheel with lots of guys that either don't carry tools or don't have Jeeps. Plus you never know who you can help out on the trail.
true, I personally carry the standard sockets and wrenches to work on my jeep, or my wife's Honda. ive been called to a parking lot or two for the standard "the car is making a funny noise"
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Great stories, keep em coming please! I am sure this thread is bound to pop some idea in someones head next time they are out on a trail and have that wonderful snafu moment.

There are a lot of things that I keep in the jeep for those oh $#it moments. Some of which I have been informed are good things to have but have not needed, yet. Climbing rope, I believe someone mentioned string. Tape --both electric and gorilla/duct (stuff can hold anything together!) a wooden box block thing, and a very large tool bag full of SAE and metric.

Oh yea, that pond experience with my buddies jeep was my first time using my winch, I now carry a few pairs of leathermens because I don't feel like burning 'steel friction holes' in 3 different shirts!
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The black one is my trail carnage, struck a tree the white one is my fix, and a buddy of mine had the same situation with sinking. Since then his front diff locked up now I finally convinced him to buy a jeep
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Oh and I still drove my old jeep 60 miles home
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How fast were you going when you hit the tree?!
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A friend of mine's dad snapped a rear driveshaft In his old ford he had lifted on 40's... A whole roll of duct tape later he made the 55 mile drive (mostly highway) home. Moral of the story, always carry duct tape. xD
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How fast were you going when you hit the tree?!
Ha! no kidding....
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I was doing about 25 at the pines on clear sandy trails then hit loose sand
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Went out one weekend with friends, ended up bottoming out my driveshaft and broke the u bolts off the yoke, ended up duck tapping the destroyed u joint to the yoke with a whole role... and made it home!
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i smashed my stock SS against one too many rocks before i made my first payment. pulled it off on the trail thinking it was the end of the world.

still havnt gotten a new one. drove from DFW to houston without it. was curious to see if the JK has a governor. if it does, its above 110.

had another club member drive into a bunch of brush with a hidden log that knocked his front right spring halfway off its perch, we couldnt manage to get it back in and the park had already closed so he drove it 10 feet and POP it was right where it was supposed to be.
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was curious to see if the JK has a governor.
Depends on which way the wind is blowing.
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For those thinking the Wrangler TJ is built with SAE hardware, I hate to say it but probably over half of the hardware is metric... so ya gotta carry both SAE and metric tools. The drivetrain is mostly but not all SAE, and the rest of the Jeep is mostly but not all metric.
Have you ever come across a list of needed tools for particular repairs? I'd love to put together an "appropriate" tool kit, but save weight/size by not carrying tools that simply aren't ever needed for repairs I'm capable of executing trailside...

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