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Old 01-21-2013, 07:47 PM   #1
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Trailer, Axle, and Tub help

I am thinking about building a tub trailer. Need some advice

I plan to use a Haul-Master 48x96 1720 LB capacity trailer from Harbor Freight, for the base
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I would like you use Jeep Wheels and 30 inch tires, Assuming the axle on that trailer is a 5x4.5, could i use it? or should i find a better one to replace it? Was looking at Northerntools axle list.
Keeping in mind i would like to have it be the same width as the jeep axle and tires.

Also, where can i find some used tubs, and i just need the back half, so obviously the front can be totaled, and how much should i pay for them?

*Question Summary*
-Would i need a new axle for the trailer, if so, what is my best option?
-where can i get low priced tubs and how much am i gunna be out?
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Old 01-21-2013, 08:05 PM   #2
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Or really just any thoughts, or advice

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i don't think you'll be too happy with that for off-road use. the bolt pattern isn't 5x4.5". IIRC its a smaller 4 bolt pattern. on-road use will be ok...and if that's all it will see, don't even bother with the Jeep wheels.

I made a trailer...ordered a custom made Dexter axle, 58" WMS, 5x4.5", 3500lb axle w/ 10" drum brakes. The axles are actually pretty cheap... For off-road, you want the bigger axle for the bigger bearings & bigger tube.

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Would you think it would be better to weld up a frame like you did, rather then buy one like this? and what kinda price would it look like in comparison.
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He used the HF trailer

Fiberglass Jeep-tub trailer kit
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Old 01-21-2013, 08:51 PM   #6
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Ive seen that, i believe, if he got it from the same place i was looking, and they charge 1000 dollars for the kit, and it doesnt include the trailer, But it looks like he used the standard axle with the jeep wheels in the photos, i believe i read some where that they fit.

Im not looking for a truly off road trailer, i want something that i can put matching jeep wheels, a tub, take it down the highway,dirt roads, but im not looking to cliimb mountains with it. If i could, it would just be a plus ha ha
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Ive seen that, i believe, if he got it from the same place i was looking, and they charge 1000 dollars for the kit, and it doesnt include the trailer, But it looks like he used the standard axle with the jeep wheels in the photos, i believe i read some where that they fit.

Im not looking for a truly off road trailer, i want something that i can put matching jeep wheels, a tub, take it down the highway,dirt roads, but im not looking to cliimb mountains with it. If i could, it would just be a plus ha ha
you can always change out the hubs to get whatever bolt pattern you want. it's really easy.
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Old 01-21-2013, 08:57 PM   #8
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I see, i do like the way your trailer sits, seems a little more aggressive, and stream line with your jeep.
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I see, i do like the way your trailer sits, seems a little more aggressive, and stream line with your jeep.
thanks
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:02 PM   #10
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If you dont mind me asking, how much would one of those axles run me?
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If you dont mind me asking, how much would one of those axles run me?
w/o brakes they're around $120-140.
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:13 PM   #12
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i think this trailer actually has a 5 bolt pattern, wether ot not its a 4.5"... idk?
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w/o brakes they're around $120-140.
That is a lot less then i expected! for that low, it might be something for me to really consider
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That is a lot less then i expected! for that low, it might be something for me to really consider
yea, when I ran all the numbers in terms of buying a HF trailer, an M416, or something else off craigslist, then modifying it...i basically said screw it, it all works out close to building my own.
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Ive seen that, i believe, if he got it from the same place i was looking, and they charge 1000 dollars for the kit, and it doesnt include the trailer, But it looks like he used the standard axle with the jeep wheels in the photos, i believe i read some where that they fit.

Im not looking for a truly off road trailer, i want something that i can put matching jeep wheels, a tub, take it down the highway,dirt roads, but im not looking to cliimb mountains with it. If i could, it would just be a plus ha ha
he didn't get it from the same place you're thinking about... they got it from him
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w/o brakes they're around $120-140.
I have stumbled upon these axles... did you find a distributor near you or did you order it somewhere online?


I've been kind of accumulating links stuff with the anticipation of starting on a trailer this summer so your build thread looks like a great place to poke around...thanks.
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:41 PM   #17
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he didn't get it from the same place you're thinking about... they got it from him
Ha ha ha thats what i mean, nice catch.

But i feel like maybe you and i are in the same boat.

Im looking for a place to start. I think deciding on a trailer and axle is step one.
So if buying that axle and making your own frame is the way to go, i should get started, or maybe just the stanard trailer. Looking for ideas

How much does your custom trailer weight, of you kwon, and what was your reason for getting the brakes added?
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I have stumbled upon these axles... did you find a distributor near you or did you order it somewhere online?


I've been kind of accumulating links stuff with the anticipation of starting on a trailer this summer so your build thread looks like a great place to poke around...thanks.
yup, a local trailer supply shop is a Dexter dealer. there are several Dexter & other axle manufacturer dealers in my area. you should also be able to just call Dexter directly and order from them. get it drop shipped to a local UPS hub and pick it up
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cool, thanks. Your hunting trip described in your build thread is exactly why i want one of these - that and the occasional trip to home depot... haha
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Trailer Axles - Trailer Axle Kits

They do custom lengths for $10 more
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Old 01-22-2013, 12:47 AM   #21
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Is it worth paying the extra couple bucks to get the axles with brakes?
even on such a small trailer
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Is it worth paying the extra couple bucks to get the axles with brakes?
even on such a small trailer

Some states may require you to have brakes
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It doesnt look like i would be able to use these rims (not those tires) with those axles, can i? even if i got the 5 by 4.5
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It doesnt look like i would be able to use these rims (not those tires) with those axles, can i? even if i got the 5 by 4.5

Not without a spacer
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Short and sweet answers, ha ha i like it
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Short and sweet answers, ha ha i like it


The reason is the trailer hub is to big to fit in the factory wheel opening. You can either get a spacer or have the factory wheel machined out.
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which is what i was concerned about, which really isn't a big deal. I wish i knew the WMS distance on the axle of the HF trailer.

I think he best plan of action is to get the trailer, then if i have to (and probably should) get a new axle, then get the tub

How much should i pay for one of those?
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which is what i was concerned about, which really isn't a big deal. I wish i knew the WMS distance on the axle of the HF trailer.
The WMS distance on the 1720-lb. capacity HF trailer is 56.5" and the bolt circle is 5-on-4.5, same as the TJ and YJ Wranglers.

This is a shortened/strengthened HF frame running Jeep Moab wheels with 31" tires, here's a photo before the tub was installed:



Info about shortening/strengthening the HF frame is here, including the front/rear receivers: Building a stronger 4'x4' frame out of a 4'x8' Harbor Freight frame

Info about using Jeep wheels on trailer hubs is here: Fitting Jeep factory wheels on typical trailer hubs

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Yes that's the one.

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