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Old 04-28-2012, 04:29 PM   #1
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trick steering question!

hey guys, gals!

ive been gathering knowledge from this site for years now and finally joining.I have a 98 wrangler 4" with 35's adjustable short arm,sye,tom woods shaft, adjustable trac bar front and rear.upgrade steering pump and box, 4" drop pitman arm.

I recently bought a currie heavy duty cross over steering kit and let me tell u ive never been more disapointed!! my steering is better but now i have dead spots due to the tie rod rolling when i turn. done research but i cant seem to find exactly what i need to know but im sure its nothing you guys cant handle.

so my question is, since the crossover steering i have has a longer than stock draglink, could i convert it to a highsteer with a (bracket) that relocates the drag link leaving the tie rod in its original spot??

is there a bracket i can buy for a 98 wrangler to do this?

also when i do so it looks like the sway bar links will have to relocate correct? Im not the smartest but i can weld cut and fab what i need to get this done. thanks guys!!

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hey guys, gals!

ive been gathering knowledge from this site for years now and finally joining.I have a 98 wrangler 4" with 35's adjustable short arm,sye,tom woods shaft, adjustable trac bar front and rear.upgrade steering pump and box, 4" drop pitman arm.

I recently bought a currie heavy duty cross over steering kit and let me tell u ive never been more disapointed!! my steering is better but now i have dead spots due to the tie rod rolling when i turn. done research but i cant seem to find exactly what i need to know but im sure its nothing you guys cant handle.

so my question is, since the crossover steering i have has a longer than stock draglink, could i convert it to a highsteer with a (bracket) that relocates the drag link leaving the tie rod in its original spot??

is there a bracket i can buy for a 98 wrangler to do this?

also when i do so it looks like the sway bar links will have to relocate correct? Im not the smartest but i can weld cut and fab what i need to get this done. thanks guys!!
A picture of what you have would be nice since Currie doesn't make Crossover steering for the TJ.

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Old 04-28-2012, 05:15 PM   #3
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A picture of what you have would be nice since Currie doesn't make Crossover steering for the TJ.


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I apologize, I bought it still in the box from a guy I can remember..
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That's inverted t steering. Crossover places the drag link on the knuckle, usually used in conjunction with a high steer knuckle.
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I apologize, I bought it still in the box from a guy I can remember..
I have no idea what brand it is, but I can tell you that it certainly isn't anything from Currie.

If you Google a bit in regard to the tie rod roll you'll find some "hacks" people use to fix it as best they can. Good luck!
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Old 04-28-2012, 05:34 PM   #6
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okay so that may explain why im not having any luck with research. thank you!

so let me change my question!!
with the inverted t steering i have, what all would i need to do to convert it into crossover steering? and is there a bracket i can buy to take the drag link to the knuckle?
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Old 04-28-2012, 05:34 PM   #7
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thanks for the input guys!!
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Old 04-28-2012, 05:50 PM   #8
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1997-06 JEEP WRANGLER TJ HEAVY DUTY CROSSOVER STEERING CONVERSION KIT on eBay!

not trying to be hardheaded, I believe this is what i have and it says HD crossover steering kit. is this misleading cause this is why i thought it was crossover.

i dont know how to paste links either..( Rrugged Ridge HD crossover steering kit)
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You would need a high steer passenger side knuckle, I know Teraflex makes one, they're a bit spendy, i'm sure other companies do too, maybe Reid racing.. Either way its expensive. but you need the high steer knuckle, and arm, and you'll probably need a longer drag link
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yup, inverted-T setup is well known for horrible steering performance on a TJ. you get the tie-rod roll and dead spot you are now experiencing. it's actually worse than stock.
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okay, so judging from the picture above (inverted T steering). do you think it is possible for the drag link to be brought up from its current position on tie rod and lengthened by tie rod ends to the new position on the replacement high steer knuckle? in short, will it be long enough to be adjusted to its new position (knuckle)? while argueing the fact that it is longer than stock and a strighter more parallell angle would be a shorter distance?..
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and yes i really wish i would have researched that better.. im trying to use the parts i have to wing a cross over system by either changing the knuckle or installing a bracket on knuckle if they make such.. and really guys thanks!!
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Old 04-28-2012, 06:33 PM   #13
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You really need a high steer knuckle do it right, you can't bolt anything to the stock knuckle to make it work.
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Here's a slew of sites selling the teraflex knuckle http://www.google.com/products/catal...wAA#ps-sellers
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You say you have been learning on here for years yet you still got a RR setup and you think a 4" drop pitman arm is a good thing? Might want to review whats good and whats not so you can get your steering squared away...
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You say you have been learning on here for years yet you still got a RR setup and you think a 4" drop pitman arm is a good thing? Might want to review whats good and whats not so you can get your steering squared away...
x2...

and why do you want cross-over steering anyway?

it's a crapload of work...relocating track bar mount, fabrication, etc..even seen cases that needed notching a hole in the frame to clear the drag-link at full bump.

and if you're going through all that work, you might as well do the WJ knuckle/steering/brake swap...ditching everything you have now.
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You say you have been learning on here for years yet you still got a RR setup and you think a 4" drop pitman arm is a good thing? Might want to review whats good and whats not so you can get your steering squared away...


what i meant by that was all the information ive aquired over the years has been on this sight. anytime i had a question ive found the answer on here. I never claimed to be a master mechanic. but thanks for the input. I joined to learn mostly and spread what knowledge i have. oh ya and its acttually 3" pitman. the angles dont look scary..
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x2...

and why do you want cross-over steering anyway?

it's a crapload of work...relocating track bar mount, fabrication, etc..even seen cases that needed notching a hole in the frame to clear the drag-link at full bump.

and if you're going through all that work, you might as well do the WJ knuckle/steering/brake swap...ditching everything you have now.
Yeah i seriously dont want to notch the frame, thats scary. haha,becasue stock was a problem now this inverted t styles worse but this just seems alot more than i wana deal with. getting a high steer knuckle even the tie rod and drag link are useless in trying to make this conversion possible? im scraping pennies here...
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No the tie rod will still work, just not sure if the drag link will be long enough
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haha,becasue stock was a problem
what was wrong with the stock steering geometry?
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Now I know why my steering is a little sloppy I have a inverted t set up
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what was wrong with the stock steering geometry?
Well like every part that goes out or gets worn to a nub. I believe in replacing it with a better more durable upgrade part. My ball joints were pretty worn and it had slack or play in the steering and popping. So I replaced it with this kit I guy sold me for 100 bux so yes I bought an RR set up seemed like a good idea but I was wrong.

Thanks for talking me through this.. So what would you recommend I do? Save tie rod buy drag link and high steer passenger knuckle? Will I have to replace the driver side knuckle as well? Thanks again!
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Get rid of the dropped Pitman arm, drag link, and tie rod. Reinstall the OE/factory Pitman arm and install a Currie steering kit... problem solved with a superior steering system.
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Get rid of the dropped Pitman arm, drag link, and tie rod. Reinstall the OE/factory Pitman arm and install a Currie steering kit... problem solved with a superior steering system.
Okay, what kind of currie steering system? T-style, cross over?
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Currie only makes one style which is the trouble-free inverted-Y. Forget all those other types, they just give problems as you have discovered.

http://www.currieenterprises.com/ces...t.aspx?id=1219

You can get it for less $$$ from www.savvyoffroad.com
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Currie only makes one style which is the trouble-free inverted-Y. Forget all those other types, they just give problems as you have discovered.

http://www.currieenterprises.com/ces...t.aspx?id=1219

You can get it for less $$$ from www.savvyoffroad.com
Hey thanks alot Jerry!!

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