Poison Spyder flat fendors, are the bomb. They are very well constructed, and look awesome. You can not go wrong with this product. I have them on my YJ, and they look tough. I do not plan on using it as a pivot point on the rocks. They are just awesome armor, for any occasion. You have to understand that the Phoenix bunch, play very hard, and think that all parts of a Jeep should be used for leverage against the rocks. It makes me smile, within, thinking about it.