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Old 03-12-2008, 10:37 PM   #1
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Two Questions: 1. My jeep now 2. Upgrades to my jeep

Ok I have a 2003 Wrangler X bone stock. I baught it begining this past december. I love how it has preformed in the 4 - 7 inches of snow we've had multiple times and for kicks I drove over a curb or two and some concrete parking spot markers. I dont know or have any experianced wrangler guys or offroad guys around me so I was wondering my jeep the way it is riding on BFGoodrich Radial Long Trail T/A 225/75TR15 tires, what can it safely do? Drive thru a snowy muddy feild, go down a mostly flat wide ATV trail with a few bumps, drive thru a 6 inch to foot deep muddy puddle, i mean i have no idea capabilities. I had a 4dr 4x4 blazer with 31" AT/KOs on it which at the time had 216,000miles on it that i floored it in a super muddy feild and splashed thru mud holes and down trials, but then i was a stupid teenager that cared about the vehical but didnt really care if you know what i mean. Also I had buddies with a crappy 1/4 80 something ranger 4 banger or a dieing 80 something jeep cherokee that had i ever gotten stuck woulda attempted to pull me out. Now Im older, smarter and have a vehical I love and really care about.

Second question is how much would a 2 inch suspension lift with 31" AT/KOs do for my jeep, or should I not even bother and get a 4" lift with more aggresive tire like a mudterrain or a thornbird. keep in mind Im a full time college student with a small budget and i drive it to school and everywere else daily.

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A 2" budget boost with shocks should run ~$300. If your TJ is a daily driver, BFG All-Terrains will be the best choice when looking for a slightly more aggressive radial. Although they perform poorly in mud, a BFG M/T would probably be the one for you if mud is what your into... plus the M/T's last a lot longer than what you would think if taken care of.

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Am I just not giving my stock TJ enough credit or having enough faith in it. Can it go out and play in muddy snowy feilds and drive thru small mud puddles and big atv paths and that kinda stuff with no problems. I havent found any ORV trails or anything here in northwest ohio or i would love to try some of those out and find some other offroaders.

Would a procomp 2" lift and All-Terrains be plenty when i do find and get into some trail stuff? Im not nessisarily into mudding but here in farm country ohio i havent seen many trails but there are tons of wide open muddy feilds to play in.
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Yeah, your probably not in the right mind set. The TJ is a very capable vehicle... either you have yet to push it's limits or don't have enough seat time. My 32" All-Terrains have taken me through some trails I didn't think I could do.
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ok what about SkyJacker are they good? I have only owned my wrangler for 2 1/2 months now, and your right in that I havent pushed any limits. I guess what im really worried is those (which im sorry i typed the wrong tire, I have GoodYear Wrangler 225/75s on there) not getting traction and getting stuck with no one to assist me in unsticking myself.
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Skyjackers have had good reviews with their budget boosts, especially with their Hydro shocks.

And when offroading, always take a friend with another vehicle, just in case some one does get stuck. .....or buy a winch.
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Am I just not giving my stock TJ enough credit or having enough faith in it. Can it go out and play in muddy snowy feilds and drive thru small mud puddles and big atv paths and that kinda stuff with no problems.
just do it already!! with all the time youve wasted asking about it here, you could have gone ahead and done it already!!
and when you get stuck... then you know next time, take it down a notch.
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Yeah, your probably not in the right mind set. The TJ is a very capable vehicle... either you have yet to push it's limits or don't have enough seat time. My 32" All-Terrains have taken me through some trails I didn't think I could do.
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My first winter with my STOCK TJ i went in a parking lot with enough snow where i opened my door and the snow was over the door line so the door pushed the snow as i opened it. I did not get stuck in there. simply drove around it, and drove right out.
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Old 03-13-2008, 01:47 AM   #10
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2'' spacer with 31'' bfg mud.. 70 dollars. + tires.. rides great and dont need shocks.. stock ones work fine.
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yup, the stock ones are ~2.5" longer than the max level of the stock springs so you have a bit of a drop when you're flexing. that will work great for 2" spacers however if you take it offroad you wont have much of axle drop.

basically, stock shocks will work great with 2" spacers for on roads driving (or not very rugged offroad)
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This is my 97 SE before I decided to lift it and go nuts. It was bone stock and had 31" tires in an all terrain style tread (Starfire all terrains) This little jeep surprised me with it capabilities, I put it in places that I had ni idea it could go. Get yourself a more aggressive tire and some way to disconnect your front swaybar and go wheeling. Try to hook up with some other local jeepers and get to know them and you will be very pleasantly surprised at what your jeep can do right out of the box.


correction, this pic was after the daystar budget boost, I can see the red spacers above the springs but I had been in the same places with out them.
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Old 03-13-2008, 02:54 PM   #13
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Because.....??

If it's because the ES3000 shocks are stiff- yeah well, it's a Jeep - it really doesn't bother me. IMO, the PC shocks aren't that much stiffer than the OEMs. I thought about upgrading to the MX6s but didn't want to spend the extra $230 right now.

I chose this kit rather than a spacer kit cuz it seems to me that new, taller springs made more sense than spacing the old ones.

So far - I like it! Opinions will vary.
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I'm in the same area as the OP, we obviously don't have hills or mountains. I had a few places to play when I was younger ~7 yrs ago, but the county shut those little operations down. Because kids don't respect where they mud, landowners have been more reluctact to let us play around.
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I remember hearing some one here saying his crap started leaking in couple of months of use.
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seems good however i wont recommend going hard offroading with the stock shocks as they will have to limit the springs too.
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any lift i put on my jeep will be shocks and springs, I've learned to never be cheap when repairing and/or modding. if that means i cant afford the best quality wat to do it then i dont do it till i can.
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Ya Neo if i were you i would get 2" spacers and some 31" BFG m/t. and as far as being comfortable with yours and your rigs limits, you wont know till you try and i know you will be very suprised as to how capable stock TJs are. just slowly work up in difficulty till you get stuck then down 1 notch is ur limit
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i have the skyjacker 2in and 32s and i couldnt get over what it could do with just that. now i cant wait to get back on the trails as soon as this stupid snow leaves

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