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Old 10-06-2013, 12:25 AM   #1
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UCF Extra Clearance TC Skid Questions

I order the UCF original extra clearance transfer case skid plate and the lopro mount. I also purchased a 1" mml and rear upper adjustable control arms. My question is can I actually put this skid and the mml on without a body lift? Do I really need the novak cable shifter? Do I have to modify the exhaust hanger to make it work? I have a 2004 with the 2.4l and NV 1500 transmission and stock suspension. Is there anything I need to know before getting into this?

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Old 10-06-2013, 12:38 AM   #2
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You need the lopro mount...need the body lift...don't need the cable shorter (although it's really nice), and you'll more than likely need to modify the exhaust.

It'll be worth it in the end though

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With a 1" BL(which you should do anyway), you wont need to mod the exhaust hanger on the ORIGINAL clearance skid. Novak shift cable should be picked up btw too.
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Jumping on this thread for another opinion (pardon me OP), I have a 1/2 BL, and just installed a Rokmen skid/TT and the fan touches the shroud now (previously modded for the 1/2 BL). Considering a 1" MML, but don't know how that will play with the 1/2 BL - should be good? Going to measure the clearance by the body, or should I just mod the fan shroud again?
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You don't think I can clear the 231 with just the lopro mount and no body lift?
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You don't think I can clear the 231 with just the lopro mount and no body lift?
You sure can, but the question is why not do a 1" BL in the process with it, especially since you are already doing a 1" MML? A 1" BL is all positive benefits with no downsides.
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You sure can, but the question is why not do a 1" BL in the process with it, especially since you are already doing a 1" MML? A 1" BL is all positive benefits with no downsides.
Idk about the OP, but I can't do a body lift without modifications to my tire carrier. It attaches to the rear door and bumper and is meant for stock body spacers. Any more will cause it to bind. I've been playing with ideas of changing mounts around.
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Idk about the OP, but I can't do a body lift without modifications to my tire carrier. It attaches to the rear door and bumper and is meant for stock body spacers. Any more will cause it to bind. I've been playing with ideas of changing mounts around.
Who makes that carrier? Odd.....
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Who makes that carrier? Odd.....
No idea, previous owner put it on and I've never seen it on another jeep. Well made, powder coated, and has taken a few hits, but the hinge part where the tire carrier part attaches to the bumper is a fixed length. My current idea is to weld on a new tube and use 2 bearings inside the tube and weld another small tube or bolt to the bumper.
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I also have a rear bumper that is made to use with NO body lift. I don't ever plan on running a body lift so a non-issue for me.
I can see on mine where I could change the mounting tab for the attachment of the tire carrier to the tailgate to be able to run it with a body lift. Just weld on another mounting tab for the cam and it should work with a body lift but not designed that way from the factory.

Here is my Bestop Highrock rear bumper.
Is this what you have ?

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The 2-3 swing out tire carriers that do integrate into the door that I found actually do accomadate a 1" BL, including the ARB and Bestop Highrock units.
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The 2-3 swing out tire carriers that do integrate into the door that I found actually do accomadate a 1" BL, including the ARB and Bestop Highrock units.

My Bestop Highrock will not work with a body lift. You can easily see the mounting tab on the tailgate in my picture. It that tab was an inch higher (with a body lift) the cam would not be able to attach.

Here is another pic showing the line up of the cam and the body attachment point. Maybe they have a new model where the body attachment point is adjustable.
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My Bestop Highrock will not work with a body lift. You can easily see the mounting tab on the tailgate in my picture. It that tab was an inch higher (with a body lift) the cam would not be able to attach.

Here is another pic showing the line up of the cam and the body attachment point. Maybe they have a new model where the body attachment point is adjustable.
That's like a 5 minute cut n reweld and paint job to offset the pivot bracket on that tailgate plate. Your kidding right?
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That's like a 5 minute cut n reweld and paint job to offset the pivot bracket on that tailgate plate. Your kidding right?
really, NO, not kidding..... with your statement :
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The 2-3 swing out tire carriers that do integrate into the door that I found actually do accomadate a 1" BL, including the ARB and Bestop Highrock units.
It would lead a person to believe these bumpers will work straight out of the box with a body lift.

They will not work unless you do have a welder and are willing to start cutting and welding on the bumper. Now some people have welders and can do this or even make their own custom bumper.

I agree with you that yes you can cut, weld, and repaint it to make it work with a bodylift but it does not accommodate for it.
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The ultra high clearance pan will require you to modify the exhaust hanger. The Novak shift cable is not required, but with the amount of frustration you will deal with you may say it is required in the end.
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really, NO, not kidding..... with your statement :
It would lead a person to believe these bumpers will work straight out of the box with a body lift.

They will not work unless you do have a welder and are willing to start cutting and welding on the bumper. Now some people have welders and can do this or even make their own custom bumper.

I agree with you that yes you can cut, weld, and repaint it to make it work with a bodylift but it does not accommodate for it.
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The ARB tire carrier that attached to a door will work with a 1" BL. So will the M.O.R.E unit.

And guess what? Your Highrock unit will work with a 1" BL too. All you gotta do is call up Bestop to get the 1" offset adaptor plate for people with the older unit or the no BL one. For people ordering up a new Bestop Highrock swingout tire carrier, you just need to specify if your TJ/LJ has a 1" BL or not from what I understand.
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Yeah, I decided to go ahead and order the Novak cable shifter, just because I don't have the time to do a bunch of guess, test, revise adjusting to get the stock shifter to work. To NJO, I can see your point as to why I should put on the body lift, but I don't need it right now with the 31s, so I think I'm going to try and get away without it, at least until I'm ready for 33s.
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Your Highrock unit will work with a 1" BL too. All you gotta do is call up Bestop to get the 1" offset adaptor plate for people with the older unit or the no BL one. For people ordering up a new Bestop Highrock swingout tire carrier, you just need to specify if your TJ/LJ has a 1" BL or not from what I understand.
Good to know as they originally didn't offer this. Thanks for figuring out a person doesn't need to cut and weld to make it work as was originally posted. Good info

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Yeah, I decided to go ahead and order the Novak cable shifter, just because I don't have the time to do a bunch of guess, test, revise adjusting to get the stock shifter to work. To NJO, I can see your point as to why I should put on the body lift, but I don't need it right now with the 31s, so I think I'm going to try and get away without it, at least until I'm ready for 33s.
I just installed my Novak shifter yesterday.... super simple to install but the instructions are wrong in a few places and hardware will appear to be missing as it is shown in the instructions.

The one time I sit down and read the instructions and try to account for all the hardware in the kit before tearing into it and it turns out you aren't really supposed to read the instructions with this kit
Novak is aware and in response to missing hardware they said I should have just tried installing the kit, despite missing hardware, then I would have figured it out.

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Yeah, I decided to go ahead and order the Novak cable shifter, just because I don't have the time to do a bunch of guess, test, revise adjusting to get the stock shifter to work. To NJO, I can see your point as to why I should put on the body lift, but I don't need it right now with the 31s, so I think I'm going to try and get away without it, at least until I'm ready for 33s.
Its just one of those things that when your doing a tummy tuck, novak shifter cable and a 1" MML, you might as well just do the BL since its part of the same "upgrade" in reality. It will just save you a bit of hassle in reality and keep everything lined up properly(ie: no fan shroud mod or clearancing needed). Keeping that engine and tranny spaced out properly from the body/tub will have no downsides. In fact, do a search on 31's with 1" BL.......the Jeep actually looks a bit more aggressive.........definitely looks better. Another benefit of the 1" BL, is that you now have better access to cleaning and maintaining your frame allowing for much easier rust maintenance. Also sets you up for a potential gas tank skid tuck too for the future, and rear shock relocation brackets which will allow you to run longer rear shocks with less potential need for excessive bumpstopping in the rear.
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Its just one of those things that when your doing a tummy tuck, novak shifter cable and a 1" MML, you might as well just do the BL since its part of the same "upgrade" in reality. It will just save you a bit of hassle in reality and keep everything lined up properly(ie: no fan shroud mod or clearancing needed). Keeping that engine and tranny spaced out properly from the body/tub will have no downsides. In fact, do a search on 31's with 1" BL.......the Jeep actually looks a bit more aggressive.........definitely looks better. Another benefit of the 1" BL, is that you now have better access to cleaning and maintaining your frame allowing for much easier rust maintenance. Also sets you up for a potential gas tank skid tuck too for the future, and rear shock relocation brackets which will allow you to run longer rear shocks with less potential need for excessive bumpstopping in the rear.
I agree, 1" BL is all good. Not really any down side to it. Especially with the MML... I did destroy a 3 inch BL in about 10 minutes and 3 jumps one time, but it was due to severe abuse that most rigs would never see. I wouldnt go more than 1" unless it was something I made myself for a body transplant or something...
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The question remains, will it work without it? Has anyone done it?
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The question remains, will it work without it? Has anyone done it?
Here's the text from the UCF website:

HD Transfer Case Skid Plate for '03-'06 Jeep Wrangler TJ/LJ (Extra-Clearance)(Carbon Steel Plate)

Fits '03-'06 Jeep Wrangler TJs and LJ Unlimiteds with standard or automatic transmissions.

Fabricated from 3/16" thick carbon steel plate (with optional upgrade to 1/4" plate). The parts were designed in 3D CAD software and laser cut then bent on a CNC press brake for a perfect fit every time.

The UCF Transfer Case Skid Plate is reinforced in the middle of the skid from one side to the other with a stiffening channel/transmission mount. The front and rear edges are ramped to increase strength and aid in sliding over obstacles. This product will increase ground clearance by 2 1/2" over the factory skid plate. The total height of this system is about 2".

We recommend that you have at least 1" of body lift OR a UCF LOPRO Mount to install this skid plate with no body/transfer case vibration issues. It can also be installed without a body lift if you clearance the tub in area where the transfer case would normally touch. Shipped UPS in bare steel.

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