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Old 02-19-2008, 05:55 PM   #1
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Water Fording

What is a safe water depth for a stock 04 rubicon to cross? Should I worry about getting water in my axles, tranny, or trans case? I know Jeeps are designed for crossing water but I am not sure where the breather tubes are located and if they can take in any water. Thanks

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Here's what Jeep says about stockers and water fording depths. See the Wrangler video link on that page.

http://www.jeep.com/trailrated/waterfording.html

You can follow the vent tubes and see were they end up. I think the rear one is lower than (on top of gas tank?) the front but can't find the waterproofing article I used to have book marked.

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These are okay: (about 2.5 feet in the second photo)





The breathers on the Rubicon are all located high enough to not be a problem. You could go deeper, but I find this depth enough for me.

Some people caution about immersion of hot differentials into cold water and the contraction drawing water in around the axle seals, but I've never had water in the diffs.
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where is the TV breather located in a 04 rubicon? in the FSM it ends about 1" over the tranny. that´s not high enough IMO.
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i say dont go pass the damn hole for the intake.. which is pretty high. That vid is deceiving, due to they know how deep the water is prior. sucks to go 2' deep then fall into a 5' hole.
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sucks to go 2' deep then fall into a 5' hole.

That reminds me of my first wife!!
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That reminds me of my first wife!!
seems like there is some story to tell.

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seems like there is some story to tell.



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seems like there is some story to tell.

always is
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Wow, I must say the TJ Rubies look so much sweeter than the newest models (JK).

Congrats Moxie, you got a hottie there.
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Wow, I must say the TJ Rubies look so much sweeter than the newest models (JK).

Congrats Moxie, you got a hottie there.
Thanks hedonist.

I never met a Jeep I didn't like (includes YJs too). The JK has grown on me, especially seeing them on 35s with only a small lift. Right now though, the thing I like best about the JKs is that they make the TJs look more "old school."
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i got a good one for you: why is a divorce so expensive?
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^ BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Good one!!!!!
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I just try not to ever go higher than the hood when crossing water. Seems to have worked so far.
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I just try not to ever go higher than the hood when crossing water. Seems to have worked so far.
That's just enough to flood your axles, engine and ur tranny
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My limit is the bottom edge of the fender flare above the tire. That's my comfort zone
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You mean right above the door sill?
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That's just enough to flood your axles, engine and ur tranny
not necessarily. down here in the deep south where we dont have rocks to play on, we hit the mud and creeks all the time. the hood/intake hole is where you need to stop.

honestly its really frustrating hearing people say that going over halfway up your wheels and you're gonna get water in your diffs. its not true the majority of the time. i cant tell you how many times my friends and I have had our vehicles ESP jeeps with water inside the floor boards and several inches deep inside with no probelsm to the jeep at all. heck, a good buddy ad a stream litterally flowing right the his doorless jeep. and had absolutely no problems.

yes, its true, water CAN get into the tranny/t-case/diffs. but the majority of the times it wont happen. now the engine. if you get water above the intake inlet, its going in the engine. but heck, even thats a relatively easy fix if you dont try and re crank the engine
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I just try not to ever go higher than the hood when crossing water. Seems to have worked so far.
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honestly its really frustrating hearing people say that going over halfway up your wheels and you're gonna get water in your diffs. its not true the majority of the time.
You misread my quote, i was talking about hood level is max. The stock axles have breather tubes, for the front it attaches to the radiator and for the rear its ziptied to the fuel filler hose right underneath the thing that you screw the fuel cap on. As i said about hood level is the max you can go without flooding your front axle and fuel cap is max for the rear axle. I dont know about the tranny and the tcase but i remember someone saying the vent tubes are right on top for both of them.
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alright, i thought you were beina smart @$$ sayin that goin that high will flodd all that. but it wasnt really pointed at you at all, more of a general statement. us southerneres hear all the time on the forums about how such shallow water can completely kill your vehicle, while yes, it can, but the odds of it happening are not that great. we cross water hood height near bout every weekend and no problems. people all across the south are the same as me and my friends. i'm just tryin to get the truth out about water fording
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with 32's and no lift i went through about 30" of water with no problems...
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For those of you unfortunate enough to have 35 rear ends, beware of your plug. That crappy plastic plug will not keep water out. I learned this after crossing some water that was basically just deep enough to submerge the axles. The next week i was due to change gear oils anyway. When I popped the 30 up front all was good. The back had some lovely brown water in it.
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The back had some lovely brown water in it.
So you've upgraded to watercooling, nice
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Had regular deep water crossings with water flowing inside in my CJ, never once had water get into any of the driveline components. I did have some go in the carb when the hood was under water for a few seconds, popped back out and mashed it to the floor and run it out. That was a lucky day.
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For those of you unfortunate enough to have 35 rear ends, beware of your plug. That crappy plastic plug will not keep water out. I learned this after crossing some water that was basically just deep enough to submerge the axles. The next week i was due to change gear oils anyway. When I popped the 30 up front all was good. The back had some lovely brown water in it.
That means it would be a good idea to upgrade the axle cover for a one with a steel plug (nut)
Like Solid or something similar?
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No I mean right in line with the bottom of the door handle. Not the fender flare behind the tire. The section above the tire right below the bottom of the hood line.
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water will find its way in no matter what, even if its lower than the vent tubes. Threw bad axle seal and diff. covers, ect. At the time of fording, just worry about the intake cause that the only thing that can mess up short term(as in that day) Getting a little water in the t-case or axles or tranny is okay as long as you have a short drive back to the house and change fluids immediatly.

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