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Old 06-02-2010, 03:59 PM   #1
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What can I do for security?

Greetings all,

Let me say flat out I'm a total newbie, both to jeeps in general, having an '06 unlimited for all of three weeks and never having driven one before, as well as to this forum. I have also never owned or driven a 4x4 before, and I am in no way mechanically inclined.

So, you can see right away I will likely be in need of serious HELP !

Starting with security. Now, I know there's no such thing, all you can do is present obstacles, slow them down, get them to move on to the next target, hope they aren't driving a tow truck, etc.

That said, my jeep has nothing at the moment but a spare wheel lock, those absurd door locks, and perfectly ridiculous hood lock. It was suggested that I remove the ASD relay as a security measure (I will often have to leave it overnight in a public boat launch parking lot), and that sounds like a reasonable temporary alternative to any kind of SKIM (immobilizer), and not much of a hassle at all. True?

Unfortunately, I'm also told, by a Mopar parts dealer based on my VIN #, that there is no "front control module" for installing a SKIM on my jeep, nor a wiring harness, and it would cost thousands to remedy the situation. Again, true? I am generally clueless on the subject, and can only go on what I'm told.

So, what can I do as deterrent? The "stealership" will be happy to install some kind of "security system" for $420 or so, still waiting to hear the specifics on this "system." Anyone know what kind of system a dealer would be talking about there?

And the Ravelco folks would be happy to swing by for about $500 for their immobilizer solution (Absent anything else, and for what it's worth, I presently have a perfect fake of their decal in the window ;-).

Any other ideas or suggestions, or corrections to the info I have or confirmations thereof?

Last and least, I'm curious, is this forum related to Jeep Forum - Jeep Enthusiast Network Has the same look, but that's about the only resemblance I can see. Happily all Wrangler here, which makes good sense to me.

Thanks.


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if you are trying to not get the vehicle its self stolen, search kill switch in this forum. some diy stuff that will work.

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Old 06-02-2010, 04:12 PM   #3
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I use The Club. And keep your doors unlocked so they are less likely to slash the windows. Don't keep anything valuable inside, especially visible, unless it's in a securely locked box like a Tuffy or comparable brand bolted to the tub. Kill switches are a good idea too. IMO alarms are useless - most people ignore them.

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Old 06-02-2010, 04:16 PM   #4
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my 06 rubi has the sentry key system. yours might too.
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I would get a second opinion on the feasability of installing a SKIM module onto your '06. Jeep wiring harnesses are standardized & I doubt any model year with SKIM as an option would not still have the right wiring harness & connections in place even if the factory did not install the SKIM module.

For example, my '97 TJ came with a 5-speed manual transmission. Several years ago, I converted it to an automatic and guess what, both of the electrical connections & plugs the automatic transmission needed were already in place and ready to plug into the new automatic transmission.

But for now, yes pulling the ASD relay only takes a minute from start to finish & will prevent your Jeep from being hotwired & stolen like my '97 TJ was. If I had pulled the ASD relay, I would still have it. As it is now, the '04 TJ I recently bought came with the SKIM circuit so I'm a happy man.

Also, did you check out the link I placed in the other thread talking about the magnetically actuated circuit that disables the ignition? It's probably the next best thing to a SKIM system. Quadratec sells a pre-assembed version of it for something like $50.
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There are writeups on how to make your own reed kill switch out of Radioshack parts....

Not sure which forum I found them on or I'd post it up....someone else might, or you can search
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I would get a second opinion on the feasability of installing a SKIM module onto your '06. Jeep wiring harnesses are standardized & I doubt any model year with SKIM as an option would not still have the right wiring harness & connections in place even if the factory did not install the SKIM module.

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Also, did you check out the link I placed in the other thread talking about the magnetically actuated circuit that disables the ignition? It's probably the next best thing to a SKIM system. Quadratec sells a pre-assembed version of it for something like $50.
Where/how would I get a second opinion? The store won't even sell me the SKIM module based on the VIN, can you imagine that? And even if the "wiring harness" is in place, they said the "front control module" would need to be replaced. The guy said $5-6 thousand to make that happen, no kidding. Is he pulling my leg?

Forgive me, I did not check that out, could you post the link again here? How is the SKIM better, in what way? Or, how is this magnetic circuit thing almost but not quite as good? How would I get it installed -- would a dealer do it, any auto mechanic? (Believe me, auto mechanics is something I should stay away from for the good of the vehicle, but electrical, forget it, may as well add a plate of spaghetti to the circuit and call the job done).

Oh, and what exactly is a "kill switch," how is it different from the other options?

I'm all ears ;-)
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I use The Club. And keep your doors unlocked so they are less likely to slash the windows. Don't keep anything valuable inside, especially visible, unless it's in a securely locked box like a Tuffy or comparable brand bolted to the tub. Kill switches are a good idea too. IMO alarms are useless - most people ignore them.

Most of all - Welcome to WF and the world of Jeeps! Good choice on the 06 LJ too.

Jeep Forum is a separate forum. Some of us belong to both. They have decent tech info but I think we are a much friendlier bunch for the most part here on WF.
Won't be using the rag top, may be getting a Tuffy lock box.

THANKS.

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apparently, if you have this:

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Security Group — Auto-dimming rearview mirror and Sentry Key® Engine Immobilizer
you're set.

I too leave my doors unlocked unless i have the hardtop on.
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apparently, if you have this: Security Group — Auto-dimming rearview mirror and Sentry Key® Engine Immobilizer

you're set.

How would I know if I have that??

I'm told, based on the thin black keys I have (not the thick grey ones), there is no security of any kind installed.
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Well,..do you have the automatic dimmer rear view mirror?
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Well,..do you have the automatic dimmer rear view mirror?
No, can only guess what that is, in fact. What is it?
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There is another article for installation in a manual SKIM "Sentry Key Immobillizer Module" install
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Yeah...It's the gray keys that have the sentry feature. My advice is don't lock anything.....If you can do the kill switch or other feature to stop hot wiring fantastic. Just don't lock the vehicle with the soft top on. In fact. Leave a nice note that says..."Please help yourself to anything you like as long as you don't cut my top. Thank you and come again...."
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Have you tried any of your local stereo install shops, they usually do security setups as well. I would say an alarm/motion sensor, but it would be worthless if you are not nearby.

I have the club that goes on the clutch or brake, the ones that go on the steering wheel don't work since they can easily cut through the steering wheel.

Whenever I buy a car at a dealership the first thing I tell them is to take their crappy alarm out of the vehicle and that I am not giving them $500 for it.
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Old 06-03-2010, 09:39 AM   #17
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Thanks guys, for all the pleasantries, but you knoow I need answers. Jerry, please get back to me on this. Thanks.

re: stereo shop to do auto security electronics, as hard to find as an honest stealership to do same.

right now I need to find out what is there in the jeep ("front control module" "wiring harness" etc.) in order to know what I can do re: skim install, assuming I can find a vendor to sell me the thing despite whatever the VIN # is telling them.

any ideas how to find out whether there is the right kind or any "front control module" and "wiring harness" present ? in other words, whether or not the mopar parts guy knows what he is talking about?

also, seriously, I am electrically challenged, wouldn't know a kill switch if it came up and bit me, much less how to install one.

really need some help here.

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Old 06-03-2010, 10:12 AM   #18
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kill switches are easy, someone may even be able to put one in for you for super cheap. What it will do is cut off the primary ignition wire. If your "hidden" switch is on, all is good. If your "hidden" switch is off, there is'nt much they can do to actually get the vehicle to start in a timely manner. After trying to start it with no luck, they'll move on.

If the security is for stuff inside, very simple, don't leave stuff inside.

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hi, chris, thanks.

still not clear on that. can't they just jump it closer to the ignition? or find it and flip it? can't put it where it's too hard for me to get to, or may as well pull the ASD relay every time.

can't deal with "someone" who "may," got to get this done and over with.

no, there's nothing inside, nor will there ever be, unless I get a tuffy lock box bolted in.
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If you ask me, between this thread and especially your other thread on JF, you should already know how the SKIM module works and that you can't just jump it "closer to the ignition". To me, you've gotten into analysis paralysis and you are ignoring much of the IMMENSE amount of information you have already been given. Did you not read the JF thread you started where it was explained by Lawrence that the SKIM module makes it so the engine computer is tied into the SKIM system so you can't start the engine by jumping or hotwiring anything anywhere?
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Allright, forget it jerry, okay. I am loosing patience.

That reply was plainly to chris, concerning the "kill switch," if you are replying -- with attitude -- and without reading, please just leave me and those helpful people here alone, along with this and any other thread.

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Allright, forget it jerry, okay. I am loosing patience.
You are losing patience in spite of the immense amount of helpful information you have been offered on this subject in at least two forums where you have asked the same question?

It just seems to me like you are rehashing what was already very carefully explained to you in great detail elsewhere and that you are simply ignoring the previous in-depth information and recommendations already provided to you. You even mention above how you did not check out the link I provided for you in response to one of your questions. I say ignoring because you are asking the same questions here that were already carefully answered and explained in great depth over on JF.
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Allright, forget it jerry, okay. I am loosing patience.

That reply was plainly to chris, concerning the "kill switch," if you are replying -- with attitude -- and without reading, please just leave me and those helpful people here alone, along with this and any other thread.

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Dude.. chill out. This is not the official Chrysler help forum.. People were being friendly and courteous as always. Just because someone doesn't have the exact answer you're looking for doesn't mean you have to be upset.

How bout you don't leave valuables in your Jeep and get theft insurance... that's what the rest of us do. The only time you need to get insane about security is with old, irreplaceable cars that don't usually need a title to sell. It's just a Jeep (as much as I love Jeeps) it can be replaced.. It's not the Fort Knox gold stock.
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Since he got angry, that, to me, is my unofficial invitation to be an @$$.

Paint one of these guys invisible and station him outside of your Jeep...

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Wow somebody has issues. Here's a 6 step program for you.

Step 1: shut mouth (or stop typing in this instance)
Step 2: read
Step 3: find definitions for the things you don't understand from step 2.
Step 4: keep doing Step 2 and 3 until you get it.
Step 5: apologize for being an impatient dick.
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Step 7: Locate Time Capsule and time travel.
Step 8: Capture T-101 with emp blast.
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Step 10: Repair electronics and reprogram T-101.
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Ah, no apologies for not reading my post, or your attitude, but more guff about your problems. P L E A S E just leave me and this thread alone. You are mistaken, Jerry, and are not being helpful. You know my mind better than I do? No, you don't. Get over it.

And then when someone here corrects some one else, yet others feel compelled to join in and hijack the thread with irrevancies about my being upset -- which is what, intended to upset me more?

I have insurance, and I have better things to do than reply to every irrelevancy. I am asking very specific questions about skim, control module, wiring harness, and kill switch. If you can't be bothered to read, please do not bother to respond. That's fair, isn't it?

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Ah, more hijacking do-badders!

I give up on these juvenile forums for serious help.

Bye bye, beauts. you can play among yourselves in your sandbox.
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Ah, no apologies for not reading my post, or your attitude, but more guff about your problems. P L E A S E just leave me and this thread alone. You are mistaken, Jerry, and are not being helpful. You know my mind better than I do? No, you don't. Get over it.

And then when someone here corrects some one else, yet others feel compelled to join in and hijack the thread with irrevancies about my being upset -- which is what, intended to upset me more?

I have insurance, and I have better things to do than reply to every irrelevancy. I am asking very specific questions about skim, control module, wiring harness, and kill switch. If you can't be bothered to read, please do not bother to respond. That's fair, isn't it?

Thanks.
Okay.. it's official. You are an impatient jerk. I say we Chadwick this post and keep it going forever. You have just gained immortal status on this forum... You underestimate the will of the people here to NOT let this one die.

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