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Old 05-18-2011, 02:43 PM   #1
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what do you think is better for a tow point?

What would be a better way to go for a tow point if I got stuck or if I need to get a buddy out.

some D-rings on the back bumper to match the front http://images.stylintrucks.com/categ...d-_d-rings.jpg

or a d ring that goes into the receiver hitch http://jabbercat.co.cc/wp-content/uploads/6737646.jpg

same price either way at my local 4x4 shop

whats better and why?

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Old 05-18-2011, 03:35 PM   #2
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hitch for sure.... bumper is a bad idea unless its majorly reinforced..... although with a reciever you can get away with out the D ring in a pinch....

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Receiver for sure. But I would just loop it through the hitch hole No real need for a d ring. But then I did get this nice hook for like $15
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Old 05-18-2011, 03:53 PM   #4
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well the hitch is the bumper, i do have a hidden hitch below but having a hook/d ring there would KILL departure angle even more then how bad it is with just the receiver alone. sure I could leave it out till i need it but thats not very convientent. LOL
yes i have 2 receiver squares, nice if i want to pull a trailor and have a bike rack at the same time i guess, or throw in the hook and have a trailor at the same time. the bumper was not rated for towing, thats why i got the hidden hitch.

so a center hook or d-ring thing like i posted above would probably be attached the the bumper hitch.
thats why i kind of like the 2 d-rings, because they would be out of the way and always on.
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Old 05-18-2011, 03:57 PM   #5
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i used my bumper to pull my buddys commander out of a water crossing he died in, never again. i bent the mounting points for the bumper quite a bit, as well as ruined my back bumper, it turned into a "spontaneous upgrade" lol got a new back bumper and front one to match, but it took about an hour with a torch and hammer to get the mounting points (where the bolts go through) straight again

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Old 05-18-2011, 04:05 PM   #7
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just feed the snatch strap into the reciever (on the hidden hitch not this bumper nonsense) then put the pin through the loop.... save some coin and ur angles.... then spend said coin on gas and go wheeling
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Isn't that why people put the D rings on their bumpers for? To use as tow points?
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just feed the snatch strap into the reciever (on the hidden hitch not this bumper nonsense) then put the pin through the loop.... save some coin and ur angles.... then spend said coin on gas and go wheeling
That runs the possibility of bending the pin though. Then you'd have to cut it out to get your strap back.
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As a bonus, the hook on the back is going to rip the front end out of the little rice burner when it runs into the back of you.


And a tip when hooking up. You hook to your vehicle, let the other guy hook to his. I found this out the hard way.

The ball mount for the whip antenna is not a good connection point.
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As a bonus, the hook on the back is going to rip the front end out of the little rice burner when it runs into the back of you.
That actually happened to me. Some kid in his daddy's BMW hit me in a parking lot. You can see the little scratch it made it the picture above. He cracked his whole front bumper I have also noticed people seem to keep their distance at stop lights because they don't want a steel hook sailing through their grill/bumper lol.
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IC, for sure, someone runs into that hook and they ain't getting away.
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lol i leave my 2 inch ball on when not wheeling.... D-fence! lol but as for bending the pin.... the pin holds the reciever in as well? if it does bend role up the strap and toss it in the back so its not dragging.....
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hahaha i like the hook idea, well the bumper is not stock, but your probably right i should use the rated hidden hitch.

But if bumpers are so weak then why do they have d-ring attachments?

i do know my front bumper (of the same brandn as back, see pictures in profile) can take a beating. with the front d-rings i was able to yank and chevy 2500 out of a ditch lol

but if the hitch is going to be stronger then thats what ill use.
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It depends on how your bumper is mounted. If it has good frame tie-ins shackles on the bumper are going to be fine. If the bumper is just bolted onto the rear crossmember don't even think about it, it will trash the rear crossmember. Ask me how I know....
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I always keep my hook in. Better defense if someone hits me. And it looks cool :P and the hook is rated for a 10,000lb work load and 30,000lb break load. I don't think that things going anywhere ANYTIME soon.
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I also keep a hook in my trucks receiver, I always have the hook or the ball hitch in there for back up protection. I ended picking up my hook at HF for $7 with a coupon. So I can't complain, and it works perfectly.
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I also keep a hook in my trucks receiver, I always have the hook or the ball hitch in there for back up protection. I ended picking up my hook at HF for $7 with a coupon. So I can't complain, and it works perfectly.
Yeah mine was like $15 with shipping. Not bad at all
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this may be a dumb question but I was thinking about getting tow hooks to add to my stock bumpers in the front and back to aid in pulling out stumps and to act as a recovery point. Is this a bad idea? do i have to worry about bending the frame / damaging the bumper? i like the ides of the hook in the tow hitch but my jeep doesnt have one.
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For the front, add tow hooks where the stock ones would be mounted, you can buy hooks at a lot of places. I have HF hooks on the front of mine, the bolts are ????? I grabbed them at a junk yard off of a cheerokee that had hooks. I suggest Grade 8 bolts though. For the rear, there's a few threads I've seen about people adding a tow hook back there as well. You should have one hole already on the driver side frame rail and just need to drill the second hole.

It will put more stress on your vehicle, but if you need a tow point, you need one that's secure and those are the best places.
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That runs the possibility of bending the pin though. Then you'd have to cut it out to get your strap back.
I have heard of that bending issue, I have yet to see it or see a picture of one done that way.

You have to figure that most of the time, you can barely force a strap eye down into the width of the receiver tube, so the load is just about fully side to side across the pin.

I do know that I was using my rig, a new 25,000 lb rated recovery strap to yank out some small 12 and 14" diameter volunteer palm trees and managed to break the strap with exactly no damage to the pin.

I would believe that if that's possible, there's little danger of it happening on most recoveries.
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Isn't that why people put the D rings on their bumpers for? To use as tow points?
Yes. Stock bumpers aren't strong enough to support the use of D-rings, though.

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As a bonus, the hook on the back is going to rip the front end out of the little rice burner when it runs into the back of you.


And a tip when hooking up. You hook to your vehicle, let the other guy hook to his. I found this out the hard way.

The ball mount for the whip antenna is not a good connection point.
Good to know.
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Using a trailer hitch on the harder pulls can be dangerous. When they rate a hitch it's not a dead weight rating. 10,000 lbs means it can pull a trailer up to 10,000 lbs - on wheels on pavement! You can damage the hitch or even pull it off. There was several videos on You Tube that showed that happening.

Look at the back of a Rubicon. They have a stock hook in the rear, right side, that attaches to the frame with 2 bolts. When a trailer hitch is installed, the installer removes the stock hook to mount the hitch, they use those holes.

Visit places that install trailer hitches, if they have one they'll probably give it to you.

Then mount it - if you already have a hitch, just use longer grade 8 bolts.

I put another one on the left side too, but no hitch.
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"""""""The ball mount for the whip antenna is not a good connection point""""""

How 'bout the spare tire mount?

Or the license plate bracket?

Funny - on You Tube they had a video of someone trying to pull a car out of a snowbank. They didn't have a good place to attach it, so they dropped the top down on the convertible and wrapped the strap around the windshield.

You can imagine the result!
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wow, good info guys. I asked because im going to bundy this weekend, I dont plan on getting to crazy and putting myself in a situation where im super stuck. if i get stuck it will hopefully be a simple nudge from being in mud or being hung up on ruts or something.

if anything breaks then ill upgrade to a bigger and better rated bumper that can be used to tow, has good recovery points, and holds a over sized spare (33s) =)
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That's where mine lives. Haven't had to use it yet though.
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^^^What is that tow hook off of or where can you buy it?
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Toyota truck. Funny thing is I had it on the front on my stock bumper before and the bolt holes lined up perfectly. Go figure.
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Well, most tow hooks have a 1.5" bolt spacing or a 3" spacing. Pretty standard really, although I know some new vehicles are using their custom 3-bolt hook up etc...
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That's where mine lives. Haven't had to use it yet though.
That's a very genius location. Out of the way. Yet perfectly useful and sturdy

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