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Old 05-16-2012, 05:26 PM   #1
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what first - front locker or rear axle d35c?

I'm at about my limit on what i can spend on the jeep this year. I'm thinking either adding a front powertrax no-slip lunchbox locker or upgrading the rear axles with Superior alloy shafts. I'll be running 31s, have a 2" lift and a winch. Mostly dd with some light offroading. Thoughts?

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Old 05-16-2012, 05:49 PM   #2
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I wouldn't waste money upgrading the 35,, save your nickles up for a Dana 44 or a ford 8.8...

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Superior axles are good, but last time I checked the drop in rear axles are carbon steel and only give you minimal increase in strength. Here is a clip from a Superior email on their axles:

PA5793A Is made from 1541H steel and is induction hardened and will yield about 10-15% more strength than the factory axle. All axles are hardened OE and aftermarket.

If you drive in snow or ice I would not do a lunchbox locker up front. Save up for a selectable ARB and you will be much happier.
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I am thinking the steel axles are the Discovery series. But i have seen Superior alloy axles for d35 on quadratec in both 27 and 30 spline. I'm thinking these are Evolution series. No? I'm still leaning towards the rear upgrade since i have the winch in case i get stuck.
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:46 PM   #5
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Correction. The 27 or 30 spline kits are c-clip eliminators. Both listed as 35% stonger than stock axle. So not drop in c-clip replacements.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:16 PM   #6
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Far to early in the year to be tightening up the purse strings, I would go front locker.
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i would rather have a locker in the rear but i wouldn't waste money on the d35. i'd save for a selectable front locker. or swap out the rear axle and then get a locker for it.
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Old 05-17-2012, 05:34 AM   #8
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I've already spent over $4k on the jeep this year and that does not include the wheels i'm going to buy in the new several weeks. I still have not ruled out just going with trutracs front and rear instead of lockers. With those and the axle upgrade and regear (I have3.07 now, would go.to 3.73) I'm figuring on another $3k. Probably would be cheaper in the long run just to do what i want all at once, but the wife will not be amused if i drop another $3k into the jeep this year.
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Old 05-17-2012, 07:27 AM   #9
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Why not swap in a hp30 out of a 4 cylinder 5 speed xj. They came with 4.10 gears and can be had for a couple hundred bucks. Then you can use the money you save to put a 4.10 geared explorer 8.8 in the rear. If you are patient you can do it with lunch box lockers for about $1500.00
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Dude you dont need either with a 2in lift and a winch the locker is only good if your really gunna bog it and the dana 35 is good enough for what you do dont replace or fix something you dont need to
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I don't think you really need either for what you're doing. Grab a set of stock shafts as backups cheap - I can't see you breaking them with what you're up to. I would say wheel it til you break it - then replace or upgrade if you think it'll happen again. A locker isn't going to do too much for you considering your jeep use.

Maybe do some cosmetic work since it is mostly DD. New bumpers or rails or something your wife can see and actually appreciate. (so she won't be as mad next time)
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I don't think you really need either for what you're doing. Grab a set of stock shafts as backups cheap - I can't see you breaking them with what you're up to. I would say wheel it til you break it - then replace or upgrade if you think it'll happen again. A locker isn't going to do too much for you considering your jeep use.

Maybe do some cosmetic work since it is mostly DD. New bumpers or rails or something your wife can see and actually appreciate. (so she won't be as mad next time)
Dude i said the same thing!
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Oh snap! Well here ya go! Think I was typing while you posted, but credit is due....great idea by the way

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Dude you dont need either with a 2in lift and a winch the locker is only good if your really gunna bog it and the dana 35 is good enough for what you do dont replace or fix something you dont need to
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So i guess what you're telling me is that if i stay off the rocks it would be hard to break stock shafts running 31s, and if it ain't broke don't fix it. As far as getting stuck, well I guess that's what the winch is for. I just don't like the thought of having an axle come out if it breaks, not fair to whoever i'm wheeling with that day.
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As far as bogging it goes, i did get stuck in the Pine Barrens a few times a couple years ago, but now with the lift and discos, i'm thinking my jeep might make it through thoses spots. I was doing greens at Rausch Creek a couple weeks ago, no problems anywhere (we're talking greens) where a couple other vehicles were spinning. On one of the hills the guide assumed i had a locker. Just a 12 year old trac-lok in the back, worn out lsd.
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I run 33's with a 30 up front and a 44 rear and I **occasionally** will get off the Blues and run Blacks...since I am open/open I would be a real delay to the rest of the group, and because I have a 3 hour drive home haha.

I've had 35's on them but I wouldn't wheel that way. Axle shafts will break, that is just all there is to it. Part of the game we play, rocks or mud. They're changeable on the trail and easy to find stock spares for pretty cheap.

If you're set on an upgrade, I think you'd be happier with a selectable front over new shafts right now. End all is, an upgrade is an upgrade, but take it from me - just because it costs a lot doesn't make it the best option! Good luck!
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As far as bogging it goes, i did get stuck in the Pine Barrens a few times a couple years ago, but now with the lift and discos, i'm thinking my jeep might make it through thoses spots. I was doing greens at Rausch Creek a couple weeks ago, no problems anywhere (we're talking greens) where a couple other vehicles were spinning. On one of the hills the guide assumed i had a locker. Just a 12 year old trac-lok in the back, worn out lsd.

Nice! RC is my spot too! New side of the property was awesome this past winter. If you're running greens and blues etc, you're going to be fine. I can't see you breaking an axle - I've never seen it on greens and only by skinny pedal jockies on Blues. You sound like you're good to go - with a locker you'll be ready for some Blues...but maybe save up $200 for an engine skid in there somewhere too!
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You can get an 8.8 from any of the local Crazy Rays for 65 bucks. That is without brakes. Then you give Eric at kNOw Where 2Jeep a call and he can set you up with a bracket kit for your tj. If you can weld, then you are good to go. If not, AOI can weld it up for you in a jiffy. They are in Westminister, MD. Your other options would be Halltrail Fabrication, they are in Dunkirk, MD or Adrenaline Offroad in Burtonsville, MD.

If you find a V6 exploder with the tow package you can get it with 4.10 gears. They have open carriers or with limited slip. If you do plan to lock it, get the open carrier axle. The limited slip does not work with most lockers I believe.
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I have an oil pan skid. I'm a little concerned about the auto trans. Have not seen much for that, but it does sit a little higher than a lot of other stuff under the jeep. One of the guys i was riding with told me he had some back luck once on a green, a rock flew up and holed his transmission pan. Had to be freak accident, but his day was over.
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The only think I worry about with my auto is getting water inside of it. I am told you can reroute the breather line. But I just avoid water if I can.

As far as lockers, you just need to be careful of the skinny pedal and be aware of where your tires are. I have been towed out of rocks before because I hit the gas pedal too hard while locked. It is not a fun sound to hear the axle shaft let go. I would have been fine had I not hit the gas pedal as hard as I did.
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Skids are the the first thing I get on a jeep. You gotta protect your guts. Yeah freak accidents happen, that's how it goes sometimes. I haven't run anything other than diff guards and engine skids so far and just work on my driving haha. Keep me posted on what you decide. It's worth taking a look at yrflu said as well. You can build a nice setup cheap and sturdy if you borrow from other vehicles.
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Skids are the the first thing I get on a jeep. You gotta protect your guts. Yeah freak accidents happen, that's how it goes sometimes. I haven't run anything other than diff guards and engine skids so far and just work on my driving haha. Keep me posted on what you decide. It's worth taking a look at yrflu said as well. You can build a nice setup cheap and sturdy if you borrow from other vehicles.
Ok dude obviously you have no idea what this dude was asking hes asking about axles....who cares about a skid plate and a diff guard you dont need them i mean its good to have but you dont need them. And to the kid starting this thread.....you dont need to do either or for the wheelin you do....save it and take your wife or girlfriend out to dinner
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Ok dude obviously you have no idea what this dude was asking hes asking about axles....who cares about a skid plate and a diff guard you dont need them i mean its good to have but you dont need them. And to the kid starting this thread.....you dont need to do either or for the wheelin you do....save it and take your wife or girlfriend out to dinner
True, he does not need any of that if he doing light wheeling. But why not give some advice most of us wish we would have had at one point or another? Otis always better to be a little over built for what you intend to do, it can save a headache later.
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When it comes to lockers a rear locker will be the bigger bang for your buck. I have Eton E lockers front and rear. Only I lock the front is if the rear is already locked. The Dana 35 is a crap axle, but with you size tires and throttle control you should be ok. I would bring extra shafts with you, an know how to change them if needed.
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Ok dude obviously you have no idea what this dude was asking hes asking about axles....who cares about a skid plate and a diff guard you dont need them i mean its good to have but you dont need them. And to the kid starting this thread.....you dont need to do either or for the wheelin you do....save it and take your wife or girlfriend out to dinner
You just aren't worth it, dude.


I agree with Banks316 though - probably not a bad idea to try your hand at changing the shafts on a level driveway before you have to do it on a rock in the forest. I don't think you will, but stranger things have happened!
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True, he does not need any of that if he doing light wheeling. But why not give some advice most of us wish we would have had at one point or another? Otis always better to be a little over built for what you intend to do, it can save a headache later.
I mean its not essental i wheel my rig all the time and i dont got no diff guard or some aftermarket skid plate its money that you could put towards some new tires or a new lift or a winch or new axles you know something practical
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Im not going to point any fingers but theres quite a bit of bullshit in this thread.


Anyway, considering you are wheeling at RC. Food for thought. Me and my buddy were wheeling blues and blacks there on 32's and 31's. Yes blacks.
Don't waste money on axles for a D35. Buy yourself the front locker and grab a pair of junkyard stock d35 shafts, and you might as well grab the fronts too.
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Is it possible to wheel blacks on 31's? Sure is. Is it possible to not puss out and run the same lines as the big boys in real jeeps? Sure is. Have I done it that way? Sure did give it a shot. My belly pan sure did look like I tried it. Do I recommend doing something like that in a vehicle you drove 180 miles to get there, nope.


I am going to agree with the folks saying skip the locker and get armor to protect your jeep. Seems wise to put stuff on the jeep that will protect it from breaking instead of putting something on there that will help break your jeep.
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fwiw, if this jeep is also a dd, don't put a full time locker in the front, go with a selectable one, if you see winter on road snow driving.. a full time locker will make it very very very hard to steer as the tires fight back and forth for traction. Been there done that.
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Thanks for all the info and opinions. I won't be putting in a front lunchbox or other autolocker. I still have not decided on the right option for the axle. It won't ever see anything bigger than 32s so probably leave alone for now. I have not ruled out a c-clip eliminator or truss, but think that an 8.8 would probably be overkill for what I use the jeep for. Offroad i'll just stick with the greens and blues.

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