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Old 08-01-2010, 11:11 PM   #1
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What Front Axle did you upgrade not 1ton?

I searched and could find this specific thread but what are good suggestions for upgrading the front end with something to match my newly christened dana 44 rear.

Give me ideas for budget friendly upgrades and for now I'm leaning on just putting an Aussie in the front to lock the Dana 30 since I'll be running 33's for a while. But I want to know what to be looking for.

I found one out a 85' toyota for $150, pro's/cons?

Is a Ford Ranger front axle a d44? Same width?

Scout d44 I thinks' on the wrong side?

What are you guys using?

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I used and abused a Rubi D44 for a long time when I swapped out my D30. Did just about everything I could to strengthen it though. Alloy USA 30 spline inner/outer/unit bearings with Yukon Super Joints, Detroit, trussed housing, Teraflex hi-steer knuckle, deep gears, good cover, HD brackets. Cost was pretty high, and it was still a 1/2 ton axle. Worked great for a long tme though, with 0 breaks. I now moved to a Dodge D60 front and could not be happier.

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I think any older Ford D44's that are driver drop will work to match up with the t-case output. Another options are Wagoneer D44's or Scout D44's as well.

Other options are Ford 9's like the Currie 9" but they can run just as much as 1tons.
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The Rubicon's Dana 44 is really no stronger than the factory Dana 30 is due to its use of all Dana 30 components outside of the pumpkin and inner axle shaft. That it is still a low-pinion axle like the TJ's D30 is one of its other drawbacks.

A very good front axle upgrade is the high-pinion Dana 30 out of a later model XJ. Many serious rock crawlers run it since it raises the front driveshaft up out of the way and it runs the R&P gears on their stronger side. You can install hardened alloy 27 spline or even 30 spline axle shafts from someone like Superior Axle (my first choice) that really are the key to having a reliable front-end. Hardened 27 spline shafts are fine for 35" tires and a locker, that's what I had in my last TJ that survived some pretty darned tough trails.

Personally, I would not bother with a Rubicon Dana 44.
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If you get the 07-present Rubi D44, they are stronger, but you'd have to relocate or add the TJ brackets in the correct location, since the JK has a wider stance the brackets don't line-up for a direct swap.

I'd be cursious to see someone or if possible, do a 8.8 Front (Hybrid). Kindof like what the Xtreme 4x4 show on tv did for a hybrid Front D70. But by the time you probably fabricate and get custom shafts, your probably close to a Currie 9" or 1tons.

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If you don't mind chopping the axle tubes ford high pinion 44 is the way to go. cheap would be the high pinion 30. the wagoneer 44 fits nice at just over 60" wide, large tube with options of putting on flat top knuckles for high steer. need to change hubs to 5 bolt pattern.
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If you get the 07-present Rubi D44, they are stronger, but you'd have to relocate or add the TJ brackets in the correct location, since the JK has a wider stance the brackets don't line-up for a direct swap.

I'd be cursious to see someone or if possible, do a 8.8 Front (Hybrid). Kindof like what the Xtreme 4x4 show on tv did for a hybrid Front D70. But by the time you probably fabricate and get custom shafts, your probably close to a Currie 9" or 1tons.

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The JK axles are also 4" wider and a different bolt pattern, so you will need new front wheels and 2" spacers for the rear axle.
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Any reason you do NOT want a 1 ton front end? HP 9", D60, 609, custom 14 bolt, etc?
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Dang, did you guys miss the fact the OP said he is only planning to run 33" tires and he doesn't want a one-ton axle? He can get an XJ HP D30 for $75-150 and would only need to gear it.
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Dang, did you guys miss the fact the OP said he is only planning to run 33" tires and he doesn't want a one-ton axle? He can get an XJ HP D30 for $75-150 and would only need to gear it.
Are XJ HP's bolt ons for TJ's or are there modifications that need to be done?
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Dang, did you guys miss the fact the OP said he is only planning to run 33" tires and he doesn't want a one-ton axle? He can get an XJ HP D30 for $75-150 and would only need to gear it.
And lock it, and alloy shafts, and good joints.

I think with 33s, a HP D30 will last forever, if the OP knows how to drive.

BUT.........he said "running 33s for a WHILE"! You know that means 35s next, then 37s, then.........you know how that goes once you get bit by the wheeling bug.
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The lowest gear ratio you can get for a HPD30 is still 4.88 right?
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I think I might end up doing the HP D30 from a XJ...considering its a direct bolt on, and seems fairly cheap. For a few dollars more I could throw on a truss and beef it up with some HD perches.

What years should I be looking for??
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A very good front axle upgrade is the high-pinion Dana 30 out of a later model XJ. Many serious rock crawlers run it since it raises the front driveshaft up out of the way and it runs the R&P gears on their stronger side. You can install hardened alloy 27 spline or even 30 spline axle shafts from someone like Superior Axle (my first choice) that really are the key to having a reliable front-end. Hardened 27 spline shafts are fine for 35" tires and a locker, that's what I had in my last TJ that survived some pretty darned tough trails.

Personally, I would not bother with a Rubicon Dana 44.

My ZJ buddy did this and seems to hold up well. Is everything in my d30 interchangable with the HP 30?

I'm assuming only 99-01 years is that correct?

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Any reason you do NOT want a 1 ton front end? HP 9", D60, 609, custom 14 bolt, etc?
I can get 1tons pretty cheap with t-case if I buy an old international truck for less than $700 I just don't have anywhere to put it and tear it apart yet... I'm working on it. I'm not sure exactly wants in them but I assume 60R and d44 front with dana300.

This might be a project in the future when the Tj's not my daily driver.

But I do want 35's Lance and Jerry next set that goes on after these new 33's wear out.
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And lock it, and alloy shafts, and good joints.

I think with 33s, a HP D30 will last forever, if the OP knows how to drive.

BUT.........he said "running 33s for a WHILE"! You know that means 35s next, then 37s, then.........you know how that goes once you get bit by the wheeling bug.
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Dang, did you guys miss the fact the OP said he is only planning to run 33" tires and he doesn't want a one-ton axle? He can get an XJ HP D30 for $75-150 and would only need to gear it.
I had looked at doing the same upgrade, hp 30 or dana 44 etc.. when I looked it all over for me.. it was 1 ton as the best down the road option to what I wanted the jeep to become.. I didn't want to mod one axle then get another etc etc.. However the HP 30 is a good pick.
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The lowest gear ratio you can get for a HPD30 is still 4.88 right?
Yes, 4.88s are the deepest D30 gears you can get except for the old CJ D30. You can get 5.13s for that, but they DO NOT interchange with a HP D30 from an XJ.

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My ZJ buddy did this and seems to hold up well. Is everything in my d30 interchangable with the HP 30?

I'm assuming only 99-01 years is that correct?

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The R&P will not interchange between LP and HP. Shafts, lockers, cover, etc will be fine.

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I can get 1tons pretty cheap with t-case if I buy an old international truck for less than $700 I just don't have anywhere to put it and tear it apart yet... I'm working on it. I'm not sure exactly wants in them but I assume 60R and d44 front with dana300.

This might be a project in the future when the Tj's not my daily driver.

But I do want 35's Lance and Jerry next set that goes on after these new 33's wear out.
The Scouts were mostly D44 F/R. Good axles though, and will hold up to 35s with chromos and a good set up. Have fun, and remember, driving experience beats a lot of aftermarket mods.
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No way I would go deeper than 4.56 on a 30 front. Hell the pinion size is smaller than a hotdog as it is. Best bang for the buck honestly??? 60 front. Everyone can tell you about how they beefed up this and that. By the time you buy all the dumb crap your way over the price of a 60. Put one in there stock (stock shafts and ujoints) and I bet you have a hard time breaking anything. Anymore I put a 60 in everything right off the bat and sell the little stuff to someone else.
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No way I would go deeper than 4.56 on a 30 front. Hell the pinion size is smaller than a hotdog as it is. Best bang for the buck honestly??? 60 front. Everyone can tell you about how they beefed up this and that. By the time you buy all the dumb crap your way over the price of a 60. Put one in there stock (stock shafts and ujoints) and I bet you have a hard time breaking anything. Anymore I put a 60 in everything right off the bat and sell the little stuff to someone else.
Where do you get a jeep width d60 from?
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Ummm, there's no such thing lol (guess I should have mentioned that)....I like my rigs wider so it doesn't bother me. What I would do if you wanted a narrow one would be to find a 85-91 model and have the passenger side cut down. Then your only having to have one custom axle made. Then you can get a set of hubs and run your stock 5x4.5 wheels.
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Ummm, there's no such thing lol (guess I should have mentioned that)....I like my rigs wider so it doesn't bother me. What I would do if you wanted a narrow one would be to find a 85-91 model and have the passenger side cut down. Then your only having to have one custom axle made. Then you can get a set of hubs and run your stock 5x4.5 wheels.
My biggest issue with that is spare parts if you break. Biggest I'll prob ever go is 37s but by that time I'll prob go full width.
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doubt you will ever break anything honestly with your setup. My crawler has a big block and 42 iroks on it and weighs 4925...I'm still running stock inners and outers on the 60 and its welded and I have yet to break anything.
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Depends on the terrain too. In AZ, with big dry rocks, undercuts/ledges, and big waterfalls, I see stock D60 shafts break on occasion. On one trail, there were 4 Superior 35 spline chromo outers broken on the same trip in about 1 hour!

If you have the coin, you can buy Dynatrac or Currie D60s at 60.5" WMS to fit stock width. And if you are running 37s max, I do not think you will EVER have to worry about breaking any parts on a Dynatrac or Currie. Or a home built D60 too.

If you want a little cheaper, I would say get a 78-79 Ford D60, or a 94-01 Dodge D60(leaves enough room on the drivers side of the diff for link mounts), cut down the passenger side to make it 61" WMS and get 1 custom inner passenger shaft made. Run that while you save for upgrades to the D60.

As for a HP D30, I think for 98% of wheelers, it would last forever with some upgrades. It is the rest of us 2% guys who move to D60s or bigger. We catch the bug, and keep pushing the limits more and more and NEED the 1 tons to continue our madness.
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Depends on the terrain too. In AZ, with big dry rocks, undercuts/ledges, and big waterfalls, I see stock D60 shafts break on occasion. On one trail, there were 4 Superior 35 spline chromo outers broken on the same trip in about 1 hour!

If you have the coin, you can buy Dynatrac or Currie D60s at 60.5" WMS to fit stock width. And if you are running 37s max, I do not think you will EVER have to worry about breaking any parts on a Dynatrac or Currie. Or a home built D60 too.

If you want a little cheaper, I would say get a 78-79 Ford D60, or a 94-01 Dodge D60(leaves enough room on the drivers side of the diff for link mounts), cut down the passenger side to make it 61" WMS and get 1 custom inner passenger shaft made. Run that while you save for upgrades to the D60.

As for a HP D30, I think for 98% of wheelers, it would last forever with some upgrades. It is the rest of us 2% guys who move to D60s or bigger. We catch the bug, and keep pushing the limits more and more and NEED the 1 tons to continue our madness.
Lance, would you run 37s on an upgraded HP D30? By upgraded, I mean with Superior's 30 spline chromoly axle upgrade? If not 37s, what do you think would be the largest diameter tire you could safely run with that upgrade? I'm kicking around a couple of ideas on what I want to do. I want to run 37s, but that's not set in stone.
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Im gonna run 35s on my regular D30 and just wheel the shit out of it. Maybe I'll throw some better axles and locker...thats it for now.
Eventually one day maybe I'll upgrade to a D44 or maybe even the 60.
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Oh I could break the shafts if I drove like a tard lol....weight and horsepower are the biggest factors. I'm not one to see what I can break though, I've done enough breaking crap in my days...now I wanna see what I can do without breaking ...its alot easier on my back and my wallet.
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Oh I could break the shafts if I drove like a tard lol....weight and horsepower are the biggest factors. I'm not one to see what I can break though, I've done enough breaking crap in my days...now I wanna see what I can do without breaking ...its alot easier on my back and my wallet.
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