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Old 08-07-2012, 09:33 AM   #1
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what to do when something breaks on the trail?

So I'm kinda new to wheelin and I want to know what to do if something breaks on the trail and you can't fix it right there with a replacement part. Say you break an axle and don't have a replacement. Or break a driveshaft. Or other stuff. I'm just curious on if I can drive out with some of this stuff. Also want to know what spare parts I need to bring. Chime in on what's your experience is with breaks without replacements too. Thanks

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Old 08-07-2012, 09:42 AM   #3
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Bring tools and lots of duct tape & zip ties, then you can fix almost anything. Ratchet straps are great too.

And then...Rule number one: never go wheeling alone.
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Old 08-07-2012, 09:43 AM   #4
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But can you drive out on some stuff without causing farther damage. If so I imagine only some thing. What are they. And what are some things you can but will cause farther damage?
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Well...as far as driveline goes, you can drive only front axle. So if something really bad happenes to the rear, you can get of the trail using only fwd. When I was over in the US I saw a really neat trick to drive a TJ without a rear C-clip, 2 ratched straps an a log of wood, guys had the log dangling from the rollbar, another guy stood on the log while that rubbed the tire. They got to civilisation like that no problem, driveshaft never came out of the axle.

If you ram a hole in the engine sump, then you can't go anywhere and need to be towed out. etc...
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Bring tools and lots of duct tape & zip ties, then you can fix almost anything. Ratchet straps are great too.

And then...Rule number one: never go wheeling alone.
I heartily disagree with your rule #1.. We most always go out alone.. very much alone. I agree with things to have in your tool kit, ratchet straps have gotten us out, and back across the continent. To the OP, carry all tools you may need, explore your jeep, and figure out what tools not to bring, ie,, no sense bringing along wrenches and sockets that you'll never use.. Something many overlook is a good tire repair kit, and an air compressor.. I always carry spare universal joints, coolant hoses, coolant, serpentine belt, two spare tires, and enough extraction gear to reach 160 feet. Next on my to purchase list is an on-board welder.. And last of all, don't do anything stupid, we aren't out there to conquer anything, we're out there to explore..
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I heartily disagree with your rule #1.. We most always go out alone.. very much alone. I agree with things to have in your tool kit, ratchet straps have gotten us out, and back across the continent. To the OP, carry all tools you may need, explore your jeep, and figure out what tools not to bring, ie,, no sense bringing along wrenches and sockets that you'll never use.. Something many overlook is a good tire repair kit, and an air compressor.. I always carry spare universal joints, coolant hoses, coolant, serpentine belt, two spare tires, and enough extraction gear to reach 160 feet. Next on my to purchase list is an on-board welder.. And last of all, don't do anything stupid, we aren't out there to conquer anything, we're out there to explore..
I dont think its a good idea to wheel alone either.Its just not safe.
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I dont think its a good idea to wheel alone either.Its just not safe.
Two years ago, out in Moab, we met a couple from Germany, about our age, ( 50 something ) they were in an 80 series Landcruiser 2" lift, 255/85/16 KMs with a diesel power plant under the bonnet. They drove from Germany to India, shipped to Australis, spent a year wheelin there, shipped to Argentina and wheeled north, they were spending two weeks exploring the Moab region, then heading north to Alaska, then across the continent to Halifax, then ship home. They were in the 4th year of their 5 year wheelin journey around the world... And. Alone... My point to the OP, quality parts, quality tools, = reliable jeep, = self sufficiency, a properly outfitted and well maintained jeep with a good driver will take you just about anywhere you choose to go.. Tread Lightly. Go Prepared.. BTW, our family and friends think we're completely nuts !! LOL. )
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Two years ago, out in Moab, we met a couple from Germany, about our age, ( 50 something ) they were in an 80 series Landcruiser 2" lift, 255/85/16 KMs with a diesel power plant under the bonnet. They drove from Germany to India, shipped to Australis, spent a year wheelin there, shipped to Argentina and wheeled north, they were spending two weeks exploring the Moab region, then heading north to Alaska, then across the continent to Halifax, then ship home. They were in the 4th year of their 5 year wheelin journey around the world... And. Alone... My point to the OP, quality parts, quality tools, = reliable jeep, = self sufficiency, a properly outfitted and well maintained jeep with a good driver will take you just about anywhere you choose to go.. Tread Lightly. Go Prepared.. BTW, our family and friends think we're completely nuts !! LOL. )
Damn.I wish I had the money to wheel for 5 yrs,and the wife that would tolerate that,lol
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I heartily disagree with your rule #1.. We most always go out alone.. very much alone.
The OP is probably a new Jeeper and may not have your experience or insight on do's and dont's while out wheeling. Still...

If you don't have a winch and get stuck in a mudhole...if you roll over...if you get sick or injured...what do you do when you're alone?

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But can you drive out on some stuff without causing farther damage. If so I imagine only some thing. What are they. And what are some things you can but will cause farther damage?
There is no real 100% satisfying anwser to your question. It all depends on what goes wrong or breaks down.

If you are new to wheeling and have a stock Jeep, take it easy, leave the rock crawling to the big boys. Find a local club or some buds that have 4x4's and go out and have fun. Listen to the ones that have experience. Follow them/their directions. Learn, get better, do crazier stuff. I have done it like that and to date never broke something out wheeling.
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The OP is probably a new Jeeper and may not have your experience or insight on do's and dont's while out wheeling. Still...

If you don't have a winch and get stuck in a mudhole...if you roll over...if you get sick or injured...what do you do when you're alone?

There is no real 100% satisfying anwser to your question. It all depends on what goes wrong or breaks down.

If you are new to wheeling and have a stock Jeep, take it easy, leave the rock crawling to the big boys. Find a local club or some buds that have 4x4's and go out and have fun. Listen to the ones that have experience. Follow them/their directions. Learn, get better, do crazier stuff. I have done it like that and to date never broke something out wheeling.
This is exactly what I am doing. I joined a local club and go wheeling with them once a month. I already have learned a lot. But I want to get an idea on what are to do if something breaks regardless of if I'm with someone. Besides fixing the problem with a replacement part or getting towed out. Say if I break an axle can I pull the axle out or remove the drive shaft and limp home with causing further problems?
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The OP is probably a new Jeeper and may not have your experience or insight on do's and dont's while out wheeling. Still...

If you don't have a winch and get stuck in a mudhole...if you roll over...if you get sick or injured...what do you do when you're alone?

There is no real 100% satisfying anwser to your question. It all depends on what goes wrong or breaks down.

If you are new to wheeling and have a stock Jeep, take it easy, leave the rock crawling to the big boys. Find a local club or some buds that have 4x4's and go out and have fun. Listen to the ones that have experience. Follow them/their directions. Learn, get better, do crazier stuff. I have done it like that and to date never broke something out wheeling.
Sick or injured, or catastrophic helplessness? We now carry a PLB.. Personal Locator Beacon... I hope to never have to use it, but if we ever do, we just sit and wait for the black helicopters to show up.. I guess I got a bit carried away... any new Jeeper that becomes serious about our hobby will find out that the sky is the limit. These are marvelous machines, and whether you become a hard core rock krawler or choose to explore on long range excursions, or anything in between, if one learns about their machine, and takes good care of it, it will take care of you...
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I strongly agree with the advice that it's just unwise to wheel alone, and it's not as fun to wheel alone either. I guess some people who don't agree with that just have something to prove or are loners who don't like others well enough to want to wheel with them.

Most trails are not so difficult that breakage is common. I wheeled for probably ten years before something broke that was a show-stopper and that was on an extreme-level rock crawling trail called Sledgehammer.

Basic things to carry include a tire plug kit like from Safety Seal, an air compressor, basic hand tools, spare valve stems and stem valves for your tires, a Spicer 5-1310x u-joint for your driveshafts (and those don't break often either on most trails), coolant or at least plenty of water so you can refill your radiator, perhaps upper & lower radiator hoses, a serpentine belt, and general items like sufficient water for several days (a gallon a day per person), first aid kit, sunblock, adequate clothing for nights, etc.

Our Jeeps are not delicate so for most trails, consider breakages to be the exception and not the rule... providing you are not crazy with the gas pedal or running a locker in your rear Dana 35 axle.
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All this advice seems good. I just I just assumed that I would break more stuff. I haven't broken anything yet and don't plan on it. My rule has been upgrade before I break. Thanks for all your input
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An offroad magazine I use to have a subscription to had a column about fixing things in the middle of nowhere with nothing to fix them with. The one article that stuck in my head was a guy in his old CJ-5 running in Baja Cali in the early 70s. His fuel pump went out. 120 miles from the nearest human being.... He dropped his fuel tank, muscled it up on top of his hood held in place with bungee straps. Then he had to figure out a way to route the fuel line to his carb. He resolved the problem with his .357 mag. put the perfect sized hole in his hood for the fuel line. Gravity feed system in service he drove home. Creativity and a good set of tools.
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Our Jeeps are not delicate so for most trails, consider breakages to be the exception and not the rule... providing you are not crazy with the gas pedal
X200.000...most problems start with that, to much skinny pedal.

I did some crazy stuff with my Liberty and they are known for blowing up the front diff. Never happened to me, take it easy...



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Your not gona break anything unless your real stupid. If you prepare your wrangler properly you can handle anything. The only time you get into trouble is when you try stuff that is over your head.
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The most important tool for offroading is bringing friends. Also, haul it there on a trailer if at all possible. I usually just bring some water (both for me and the jeep) and basic recovery tools. Come alongs, tow ropes, hi lift jack, etc. There is no way to be prepared for everything so just have some friends that can get you home as a backup plan. At worst you can rent/borrow a trailer to get it home.

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