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Old 04-10-2013, 07:55 PM   #1
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What's the Best Winch for my 97 Wrangler TJ?

I've been looking around trying to decide what kind of winch to get for my 1997 Wrangler TJ, and I wanted to know ya'lls opinion. I think I want a Synthetic Rope Winch. Just not sure on the Pull Strength yet.

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You said "best winch" & I certainly wouldn't put a Smittybilt on my short list of best winches to choose from. For not much more, you can get one of Warn's entry level VR series of winches. Going synthetic is a good way to go but I wouldn't want a Chinese-made (Smittybilt's is from there) synthetic rope on any winch I owned.

Strength-wise, 8,000 to 9,500 lbs. is about right for a Wrangler.

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It's a matter of preference, budget, and use. There are a ton of choices out there, do yourself a favor, read the side by side comparisons and don't ask for people's opinions, what you get is a lot of opinions based on personal biases, not personal experiences.

Do your research, a lot of winches are made in the same factory and branded differently, and some winches cost 5X as much as others because they have a little sticker with a certain name on them, don't be mislead by the winch or the people on forums.
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Based on the ongoing international news of ongoing problems with Chinese products, we are absolutely entitled to our own personal opinions based on such news.

The latest current news is that, once again, not even Chinese made baby formula is safe for human consumption. It is killing Chinese infants. there is now a Chinese run on foreign-made baby formula which is so bad that countries are rationing their exports of baby formula which is making its way onto the black market and into China where Chinese mothers are paying up to $80 for a can of non-Chinese baby formula. Once again, Chinese baby formula makers are using industrial grade ingredients that turn their formula products lethal. The same thing happened several years ago (using industrial instead of medicinal glycerine) and it is happening again right now.

Same with all kinds of Chinese products from drywall that gives off poisonous fumes (where entire Florida housing developments that used them had to be abandoned) to poor quality counterfeit products that the Chinese government has no interest in curtailing since it brings foreign currency into the country.

If, for example Chinese manufacturers don't even care enough to produce safe and nutricious baby formulas for their own people, do you really think they care about things like winches made for export to the U.S.?

I'm sorry if I am overtly against us buying anything more from China than we absolutely have to but I am and it's based on far more than uneducated personal opinion.
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Jerry, I'm a parts guy and I deal with this dilemna every day. Not everything out of China is crap. An awful lot of it is though............
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If you decide to go Warn or are on the fence they are still offering rebates on their winches. I believe the VR series is a $50 rebate. I recently purchased a m8000 and love it.

You are going to get all sorts of opinions on this subject. Just look at any winch related post here.

The best thing you can do is research, decide how you will use it and how often, and go from there.

And if you go with chinese built and it breaks, and you post about it here, be ready for a bunch of "you should have bought a Warn" responses.

I bought mine bc of reputation and it being an american made product.

Good luck on your search.
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I appreciate the responses guys. And I agree. I'll be the first one to buy an American Product over a chinese made piece of junk. I was just curious to see what you guys use, and why. I was looking at Warn, but I don't think I'll be using the winch as much as others, and was hoping for something a bit less expensive. However, if it takes that price to get thw quality I want, sobeit.
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If you decide to go Warn or are on the fence they are still offering rebates on their winches. I believe the VR series is a $50 rebate. I recently purchased a m8000 and love it.

You are going to get all sorts of opinions on this subject. Just look at any winch related post here.

The best thing you can do is research, decide how you will use it and how often, and go from there.

And if you go with chinese built and it breaks, and you post about it here, be ready for a bunch of "you should have bought a Warn" responses.

I bought mine bc of reputation and it being an american made product.

Good luck on your search.
How is the M8000 American made product if the motor that sits inside is imported from China? Even one of Warns vr winches is made in China.
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You keep claiming the M8000's motor is made in China, do you have proof of that? The last time I saw one it was a Bosch that came from Brazil.
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How is the M8000 American made product if the motor that sits inside is imported from China? Even one of Warns vr winches is made in China.
I'm not getting into a pissing contest about winches. This has been beaten to death.
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You keep claiming the M8000's motor is made in China, do you have proof of that? The last time I saw one it was a Bosch that came from Brazil.
If you want me to paste the e-mail response from Warns customer service saying that the motor is from China and gears are made in Oregon than I will if it is allowed. Im not bashing on warn because I just bought a used one to replace my RC 9500LB winch. But don't claim a product is American based on others claims when the company will admit to using imported parts.
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Warren wench are not 100% USA they are designed in the USA and parts are manufactured from different Countries.
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What about Ramsey winches?
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So M8000 with Synth or Zeon 8000 with cable. I am more focused on reliability as sometimes the wife and I explore solo. I have read of a few M8000 issues, the Zeon has not been out long enough and we know all other winches without the W will fail just about every time they are sold and mounted. So what would you do and why?

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M8000 with synth will be $100 more than Zeon with cable. It is at least 20# lighter, however it is not sealed.
Zeon - nice, clean unit. Heavy duty with emphasis on HEAVY. Sealed. $100 cheaper than M8000 with synth and faster too.
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Well, I'll be doing plenty more research on these winches. Hopefully I find what I need for a reasonable price!
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Warn is my winch of choice have one one my truck now for about 20 years only thing I had to fix/change has been the cable .
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Right now cse offroad is having a sale on rugged ridge winches. Im looking into getting a 8500 heavy duty winch from them for $262.50, i know it's not warn but I think the price difference is worth it for something that's not always going to be used. Just my thought.
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That actually sounds like a great deal. I'll have to do some more research on that brand. Anyone else have any thoughts?
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As I live in England, I am outside of the 'Buy American' debate.

I have a Come-Up DS 9.5i. I know these are made in Taiwan, but this winch has never let me down. They are also the only winch that has ever been fitted to a vehicle that has been driven to the North Pole. The winch worked when they rested it there after two weeks on the vehicle.

I rest my case Your Honour.

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That actually sounds like a great deal. I'll have to do some more research on that brand. Anyone else have any thoughts?
Yea that's what im saying. I was at an off road event last weekend where a fellow jeeper just installed one and pulled a full sized 79 Bronco on 40s up hill without a problem. She built her own jeep and knows her stuff so she recommended it to me since im on a budget. Her advice is better than any of my guesses
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For me it has to be Warn...strength, quality, reliability.
I used mine probably once or twice a year, but I had it serviced annually. Now I've a new JK, I'm asking myself "do I need a winch"?


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i have a m8000 and i love it first week i had it on had to go pull my friend out got stuck lmao pos dakota
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What do you guys think about the Rugged Ridge 8500lb winch with Synthetic Rope?
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I have a RR 8500 lb, I use it more than a few times a year, it never needs serviced (annually or otherwise) and I have winched full size trucks on very steep inclines and Jeeps out of holes and everything inbetween, my RR has never once failed to work, ever.

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Very nice. Looks like you have the steel cable on yours. What are your thoughts there? I'm still trying to decide what I want to get. I don't know if the steel cable will rust, and be hard to use. Don't want it to take shape of the spool, and make it hard to stretch out.
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After replacing my first winch's steel cable twice due to getting kinked which produced broken strands for a total of three wire ropes within its first five years, I switched to 3/8" synthetic from Winchline.com & never looked back. Synthetic is SO much nicer & easier to use. Not to mention it was still in superb condition 5-6 years later at the time that Jeep was stolen. My replacement winch & Jeep got more 3/8" synthetic within the first month & I sold the still new wire rope to help recoupe some of the cost of the new synthetic rope.

Once you've used synthetic rope, you learn to hate using wire rope.
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Excellent. Thank you so much for the advice. My dilemma is the price. I'm trying to find the best winch I can get for the cheapest price. At the moment, I'm looking at getting a Rugged Ridge 8500 with Synthetic Rope. at $500, I think that's the best winch for the cheapest price....

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