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Old 04-25-2007, 07:24 AM   #1
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Where to install Tow-Hooks...?

Hi,

I need some tow-hooks but I don´t know what tow-hooks I need and where to install them.
At thefront/rear I have some tube bumpers. That´s why the stock tow-hooks don´t fit anymore.
Any ideas where to install some other hooks...?

Thanks for your advice.

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You may be able to run them in the front using a small spacer of some sort to get them over the hump of the bumper. I would get 10k lb rated hooks. Do you have shot of the front bumper looking down on the mounting holes?

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Do you have shot of the front bumper looking down on the mounting holes?
jey i have. but such a spacer must be about 3" high (1" = 2.5 centimeters). and i don´t know if that would work.



whats about kooks in the rear?
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Most people who put chromed steel tube bumpers on jeeps don't need hooks around the malls and such, J/K

Look for a rear receiver to cover the back end, as for the front, dunno, the warn fronts we have on our TJ's have stock hooks up top like normal and tabs for D rings, back bumper has built in 2" receiver and two tabs for my big 3/4 inch D rings that can also double as sledge hammers... Stacking a bunch of washers would not be a good idea, maybe get a steel block drill 4 holes, 2 to bolt into the stock frame holes and two offset back a bit and threaded to mount a set of hooks to. Building it up with a block though introduces the same problems that using a block in a lift on leaf springs causes.
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how about on the bottom side of the front bumper frame mount?
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^^^I like how the tubes look. With the body lift it doesnt seem like the hole is that big between the bumper and the body. My best i dea for now is have those tow loops.. and cut through the bumper and put them there with some bracked that attaches to the frame bolts for strenght.
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i had the same problem with my tube bumpers, i welded a hook on in the front, let me see if i have pics
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how about on the bottom side of the front bumper frame mount?
the front bumper is mounted with only one M12 screw at the bottom.
will that be strong enough for a tow hook?

i found this one. it´s mae for industrial use. with a M12 screw it has a net load of 1.3 tons (about 2900 lbs). it was tested and it breaks at the 7x net load (about 20.000 lbs).
will that be enough?
http://www.hebezone.de/frameset/cont.../542_rst.shtml

here´s where the bottom side bumpere screw is placed:



@ Triple88a:
that´s a good place i think. i have a these hooks. will they fit? did you have to drill?



@ upinar:
here in germany our laws say that nothing is allowed to be in front of the bumper. not a part of a winch and not a tow hook...
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hm, what if you lowered/ rewelded the bumper lower to close the distance for factory mounts, as I think you need two bolts for the hooks, so drilling the frame on the lower side might be an issue (getting nut in there etc.)
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I dont have any hooks on mine.. that pic was found on yahoo.com
I gues then you can try mounting it on the bottom and maybe making a second hole and mounting it there. Id look for the longer hooks and put them pointing up or ones with clips since if you put it pointing down the rope will fall right off. See the little clip looking things on there?

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these clips i don´t have on my hooks. but i think i can mak ethem out of a thin piece of aluminium that i´ve in my garage.

now i only have to find a good place for hooks at the front...
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do you have any pics of the front bumper area unders of you jeep.. sounds dirty but i hope not to see only mud unlike the pics in ur web space somehow i navigated through it although i only speak Bulgarian and English
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i found such a picture. the bumper is installed at the lower side with a M12 screw.

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Wouldn't it work to have them underneath n front, like the one pictured in the rear? Or is it about existing mount points, no drilling required...
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JJseel he wants to have more than 1 screw one there holding it i think. I came up with this sketch..

Green would be a block with its height depending on the size of the hooks you have
Blue would be an optional weld after every thing is aligned
Purple is the hook
Red is hole where a scew would go.

So you just need to make 1 hole in the frame and it should be it.

I wouldnt want to put them facing down for 2 reasons.. the rope falling off and getting cought somewhere but if you put them up without a block or a spacer then the bumper would be in the way so thats why i'm thinking of using a spacer to give it some space and if welded more strengh for the other screw
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hey that sketch looks good.
on that way i could install a pair of these ones:


is it safe to drill some holes in the frame at thios place?
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I would just lose the tube bumpers, they cause more problems like this than they are worth.
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Another alternative would be to get a set of bolt on shackle brackets or have them made _|_ like an upside down T, then bolt the brackets facing up and carry a set of D rings and use as needed.
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is it safe to drill some holes in the frame at thios place?
I really cannot tell you for sure but i wouldnt imagine it being a problem if its not in the way of anything and from that pic of yours it looks like its wide open area there (far side). Its only going to be a ~3/8 hole with washers on each side just like it is on top.
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Remember to never through-bolt the frame if that's what you guys are talking about. That will start the frame collapsing as you get into a never ending cycle of tightening the bolt, frame eventually collapses in loosening the bolt, and you retightening it again later... only to have the frame collapse a little more and, well you get the idea.
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never ending cycle of tightening the bolt
I'm still a bit confused.. locktite the nut to the bolt and double the nut so 2 nuts one on top of the other? Whats the difference in a hole on the bottom of the frame vs the top of the frame?
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Jerry, you explained that nicely. I hadn't thought of it before.
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Are the stock tow hooks any good, or should I be replacing them? Ive already used them 2-3 times and havent had any ill effects. I have the stock 2 small ones on the front bumper, and one large hook under the rear. I do not plan on buying new bumpers anytime soon, but when I do I am deffinatly getting D shackles. Stock hooks a good alternative without swaping bumpers?

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I'm still a bit confused.. locktite the nut to the bolt and double the nut so 2 nuts one on top of the other? Whats the difference in a hole on the bottom of the frame vs the top of the frame?
The nut isn't turning/loosening on the bolt that makes it looser, it's that the frame squeezes together from the nut and bolt squeezing it together reducing the distance from one side of the frame to the other. The more you come back to tighten the nut, the more the frame collapses underneath it from the force. The only way to prevent this from happening is to insert a sleeve into the hole in the frame for the bolt to fit through so the frame wouldn't squeeze together.
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so you need a 2 stage washer or hat washer or whatever you can call it.. something like this image just thicker.. so the smaller diameter of the washer will go in the hole of the frame and the bigger part will just be a washer?


top right washer..

here is another one

i came acros this image as my search for a better washer image


is that right?
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Nothing fancy is needed for a sleeve, just a steel tube just big enough for the bolt whose length is the same as the frame width.
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Thanks Jerry I wanted to make sure then since thats something that wont hurt to know and can become "really usefull at times"
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Are you sure the stock rear point won't fit?





Looks like it should still work under a tube bumper. The holes are already in the frame. Does the tube sit lower than the stock bumper? If not, it should work.
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^ from memory he has 2" body lift and the tubes seem to close the gap quite good, altough they are wider the tail pipe seems to be hanging quite low so i'm guessing they are higher then stock.

Maybe that rear hook can be also used for the front?

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