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Old 09-12-2007, 08:47 AM   #1
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Which tire?

I just bought a used 2003 Rubicon, 5 speed shift. The vehicle is stock. I live in Vermont and want to do some offroading but don't want loud tires. TireRack told me that the original Goodyear Wrangler 10 ply MT/R are too big, that they were selected for looks and that they belong on a Ford F350. They recommend the Bridgestone A/T EVO Duelers. I want a tire that's good in snow, can handle whatever a stock Rubicon can handle, and aren't loud. Am I asking for the impossible? Your thoughts would be appreciated.

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Old 09-12-2007, 08:55 AM   #2
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:57 AM   #3
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Knobbies are loud. I have no experience with the bridgestones. I have BFG ATs and they are quiet and not too shabby off road, 31s would fit nicely.
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i got some dunlop mud rovers(poor man swampers) and they are very loud, trying to save up for some bfg mud terrain.
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Whoever told you the stock tires are not good for off road are complete idiots/just trying to get your money. The tires it came with where specifically designed to help make the Rubicon more capable off road. In fact, many people buy them to put on their other Jeeps because they are such a good tire. The stock size is not too big either, otherwise why would the factory put them on there!? Sure they could go on an F350 but they do great on Jeeps. The MT/R's are not loud on the road and they grip well in snow/rocks/mud. If they are worn just replace tem with another set of those. And if I was you I wouldnt do it through TireRack either.
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:52 AM   #6
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Yeah I agree with not dealing with tire rack. I tried to buy a set of 17 inch tires for an altima I had and they wouldn't sell them to me because they said they weren't the correct load rating for that car. It had stock 15's and went to 17's and I had it lowered. They wanted to sell me tires that were a 215 instead of a 205 and they went up like 40 bucks a tire. I went to a local tire shop and beat the cost of the 205's from tire rack and never had trouble.
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:59 AM   #7
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I'm partial to the Super Swamper TSL Radials (33 x 10.5).... Awesome off road and just as good on-road. I use them for my DD but my commute is short. They have a little hum to them but IMO it's no big deal.

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Old 09-12-2007, 12:36 PM   #8
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The stock tires are OK for off roading but suck in mud and their 2-ply load "B" range doesnt cut it with rocks. They will easily cut though these flimsly side walls.

I would suggest either a C or load D range tire if you plan on going off road (w/ lots of rocks etc).

Also, if you plan on driving this in the snow / ice (as there is a bunch in the NE!!) make sure to get an A/T and stay away from a M/T due to the fact that an AT is sipped better and will provide better ice traction. However, a M/T will usually work better in DEEP snow. All depends on what you plan on using it for.

I would suggest a set of D|ck Cepek FC II's. a 285/75/R16 is load range D, and still has a 20/32nd tread depth. I run these on my '06 Chevy Crew Cab 2500HD 6500lb beast and they hold up really well in the rocks at full pressure, and take the abuse of 600+ftlbs of tq at the rear wheels.

I will be putting a set of these on my wifes jeep before the next snow season. They are very quiet and very little road noise.


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Old 09-12-2007, 12:48 PM   #9
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I've heard good things about the Bridgestone REVO's, but I had a set of non-REVO Bridgestone Duelers on my Sequoia that it came with new - junk. Had 2 blow out on me, didn't handle off road damage well. Went with BFG A/T KO's as a replacement, a little louder on pavement, but nothing like the slap of mudders.
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Old 09-12-2007, 07:00 PM   #10
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Not sure what kind of off roading you're interested in.
.....but I highly recommend BFG all terrains. They have good road manners in all weather and I wheeled them for almost two years w/o any major issues. (lost a bead twice). They didn't clean out well when the trails were muddy, which became an issue when trying the rock obsticles.

I just replaced them.....only because I wanted a more aggresive tread, not for poor performance.
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Old 09-12-2007, 07:53 PM   #11
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Had the BFG AT's and have no complaints. Tread was a bit mild for my personal tastes and they are pretty lousy in mud of any kind - they just won't clean out. BFG's tread wears better and longer than any tires I've ever run. I ran my AT's for 10K when I sold them and the guy that bought them had a hard time determining which was the spare. The M/T's last just as long, and noticeably longer than the GY MTR. I know several friends that have gotten 45K+ and one guy got 60K out of his BFG MT's (although was in bad need by then). And they are not loud on the hwy either.
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:38 PM   #12
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I had BFG AT's on my Bronco back in the day and they were perfect. Hardly no road noise at all if you ask me.
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Old 09-12-2007, 09:16 PM   #13
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Whoever told you the stock tires are not good for off road are complete idiots/just trying to get your money. The tires it came with where specifically designed to help make the Rubicon more capable off road. In fact, many people buy them to put on their other Jeeps because they are such a good tire. The stock size is not too big either, otherwise why would the factory put them on there!? Sure they could go on an F350 but they do great on Jeeps. The MT/R's are not loud on the road and they grip well in snow/rocks/mud. If they are worn just replace tem with another set of those. And if I was you I wouldnt do it through TireRack either.

There is a reason many people with Rubi's dump the MT/r's soon after purchase. The load range "E" MT/r that comes on the Rubi flat blows chunks and is one of the worst tires I have ever owned. It's loud, on a rain soaked street it slides around, on a dry street they are not that great. On a snow covered road they are dangerous. Surprisingly they do very well in a DEEP (2-3 feet) untouched snow. In mud they have earned their name. Mud=Tow/Recovery. The only good thing I can say about them is they dont last long so upgrading tires wont be to far away

As for a tire recommendation. If you dont wheel much grab one of the mall terrain tires like the BFG A/T or the Revo. If you do wheel it the MTZ is a tire that does very wheel off road, is not to loud on the road and does pretty well in the snow and rain.
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:05 PM   #14
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I admitt defeat lol, I just know a few people who liked them a lot. Guess not everyone has the same experiences...
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:12 PM   #15
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There is a reason many people with Rubi's dump the MT/r's soon after purchase. The load range "E" MT/r that comes on the Rubi flat blows chunks and is one of the worst tires I have ever owned. It's loud, on a rain soaked street it slides around, on a dry street they are not that great. On a snow covered road they are dangerous. Surprisingly they do very well in a DEEP (2-3 feet) untouched snow. In mud they have earned their name. Mud=Tow/Recovery. The only good thing I can say about them is they dont last long so upgrading tires wont be to far away

As for a tire recommendation. If you dont wheel much grab one of the mall terrain tires like the BFG A/T or the Revo. If you do wheel it the MTZ is a tire that does very wheel off road, is not to loud on the road and does pretty well in the snow and rain.

Keep in mind that the OEM tires are not built to the same specs as a replacement tire you buy at a tire store. The manufacturer sets the tires specifications (and price) for the tire companies and it's up to them to build a tire that meets their requirements. The "bonus" to the tire manufacturer is they get to reproduce that tire for the mass market hoping to get additional sales from replacements. Typically the auto manufacturer specifications call for softer compound tires which would generally lend a better and quieter ride which helps sell the car. In other words the Goodyear MT/R that comes on your new Rubicon is not the same Goodyear MT/R that you'd buy at the local Discount Tire Store.

But then again, what do I know.
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Old 09-13-2007, 12:01 AM   #16
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Toyo open country m/t. They are the quietest m/t on the market, and one of the most aggressive. Every tire has its downside, this one is the price. Over $220 per tire. I run them, and they're almost as quiet as stock tires.
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Old 09-14-2007, 08:48 AM   #17
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Thank you very much for your help. I off-roaded years ago in a Tracker (don't laugh, I knew nothing and only got stuck once.) Now I have this 2003 Rubicon and my wife and I want to do things right, get the correct equipment, go to 4wd school, etc. Tires are the first big decision - winch and bumper is next. The tire responses are very helpful. It looks as though the BFG A/T KO is the way to go. My main concern is the noise. I'd like to find a Wrangler in a parking lot w/ those tires and wait for the owner and ask for a ride. - - One more question - At a Toyota event at Stratton in August one of the instructors said that I will need two recovery straps - one for vehicle recovery and one for winch use. The difference is in stretch - some stretch for vehicle recovery, no stretch for winch. Correct? Did I get this wrong? Do I really need to buy two straps? Thanks again for your help. David - Newfane, Vermont

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